Re: Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-04-06 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/06/2017 06:10 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> Even more, from my experience, the availability of an HCL (ie: Hardware >> Compatibility List) is mandatory for some vendors to choose Debian. At >> $work, I've been told that Debian wouldn't an

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-04-06 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/06/2017 07:45 PM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > But, the biggest question is if we all (as project members) see, in unison, > the > need for such a certification list. We don't need that *all* DDs see this need. If a few see it, and act to make it happen, and at the same time, it doesn't

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-04-06 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Thu, 2017-04-06 at 23:15 +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > > Would this count as a HCL for your $work? > >  > > https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn > > I don't think any data, fed in good faith, could be termed as an HCL input. > We should eye for certification tools similar to what Red

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-04-06 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Fri, 2017-04-07 at 00:10 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > > Even more, from my experience, the availability of an HCL (ie: Hardware > > Compatibility List) is mandatory for some vendors to choose Debian. At > > $work, I've been told that

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-04-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Even more, from my experience, the availability of an HCL (ie: Hardware > Compatibility List) is mandatory for some vendors to choose Debian. At > $work, I've been told that Debian wouldn't an option for it. Would this count as a HCL for

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-04-06 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/31/2017 01:26 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > >> Do you think a HW Certification Process should be available for Debian ? > > I note that some hardware vendors are asking for one, one example here: > >

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-03-30 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > Do you think a HW Certification Process should be available for Debian ? I note that some hardware vendors are asking for one, one example here:

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-03-30 Thread Chris Lamb
Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > Do you think a HW Certification Process should be available for Debian ? […] > Should we have a Certification Test Suite As Project Leader I would not stand in the way of anyone wishing to work on this and can certainly see value to Debian if they existed. However, at

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-03-30 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
hello Chris, Thank you for your response. Please see below some follow-ups. On Thu, 2017-03-30 at 15:56 +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > Hello Ritesh, > > > Debian as a project is different than others. Most other similar projects, > > have > > a commercial backing and interest. This puts the onus on

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-03-30 Thread Chris Lamb
Hello Ritesh, > Debian as a project is different than others. Most other similar projects, > have > a commercial backing and interest. This puts the onus on them (other Linux > distributions) to ensure their support infrastructure is simple, intuitive and > supportable. You raise some

Questions for DPL candidates: Support channels

2017-03-30 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
Hello DPL Candidates, Thank you for standing for the DPL position. Debian as a project is different than others. Most other similar projects, have a commercial backing and interest. This puts the onus on them (other Linux distributions) to ensure their support infrastructure is simple, intuitive

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-04-01 Thread Mike O'Connor
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 01:45:45PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: If it is not an export or a license violation that a member of the FTP team inspects a package, then I do not think it is for any other member of the project. I am not proposing to give a read access to the NEW queue for any other

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-04-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 11:53:47AM -0400, Mike O'Connor a écrit : It doesn't take long processing NEW to realize that many DDs cannot be trusted to make sure that all of the code they are uploading is legally redistributable. I also think that we need to review the NEW uploads. But this is

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-04-01 Thread Joerg Jaspert
I also think that we need to review the NEW uploads. But this is not what I discuss here. I propose to let all DDs look what is in the NEW queue. (This would of course help to review the NEW uploads). If there is ever any legal fun around this, it is a *HUGE* difference if you can say Only

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-31 Thread Mike O'Connor
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:46:44AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Dear Clint, I also think that there are many restricted operations that should be opened. Write access to our website, chosing the priority and section of our pacakges, triggering bin-NMUs, designating new members, inspecting

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-31 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:00:05PM -0400, Mike O'Connor a écrit : You do get to choose the priority and section which your packages belong to, though the ftp team can override your choice. When we do override your choice, you get an email inviting discussion about it. I can't think of any

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-31 Thread Mike O'Connor
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 10:58:07AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Hi Mike, you give three interesting examples on how the FTP team is isolating itself. 1) By a combination of (self-appointed?) authority and technical design, the package section splitting becomes a private tool of the FTP

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-31 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:24:50PM -0400, Mike O'Connor a écrit : The issue I was talking about had nothing to do with software crossing state lines. It had to do with violating license agreements. I'm not familiar with any procedures we must do before exporting software that you are

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-30 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 04:42:22PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: whoever is delegated by the DPL to do this) goes around imposing members to teams, or switching members willy-nilly, it would definitely lead to a lot of frustration and resignations. I think that's probably fine. ftpmaster

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-29 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Clint Adams sch...@debian.org wrote: Well, in the paid employment part of my life, I have been put in positions where I have needed to work with people I disliked, and it is not considered professional to refuse on those grounds. Indeed, I guess most of us

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Clint Adams sch...@debian.org writes: Well, in the paid employment part of my life, I have been put in positions where I have needed to work with people I disliked, and it is not considered professional to refuse on those grounds. In Debian I receive bug reports from people I might dislike,

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-28 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 01:51:45PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: I'd very much like to know how _you_ think that it should be done, because even if I don't like the We have to like you in order for you to work with us clause, I don't think it would be productive if the DPL, or someone in a

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-24 Thread Andreas Barth
* Wouter Verhelst (wou...@debian.org) [100319 22:57]: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:36:53PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 06:44:23PM +, Clint Adams wrote: Is there any legitimate reason that wanna-build access should be restricted to any group smaller than the

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-24 Thread Margarita Manterola
Hi! On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Clint Adams sch...@debian.org wrote: 5) Is there any part of Debian that should be restricted to a small subset of developers, and if so why? So, I've taken quite a while to ponder about these questions, particularly this last one. Several people have

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-20 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 19/03/10 at 22:57 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:36:53PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 06:44:23PM +, Clint Adams wrote: Is there any legitimate reason that wanna-build access should be restricted to any group smaller than the

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 20 March 2010, Wouter Verhelst wrote: It is of course reasonable to require that people familiarize themselves with how things are set up before being given access. But beyond that, if they are Debian Developers, getting access to the webwml repository is a no-brainer, AIUI. If

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 06:44:23PM +, Clint Adams a écrit : I had meant to send three sets of questions on Thursday morning, but things kept coming up, so I will send an unfinished one now. 1) 114 people have commit access to webwml. 2) wanna-build access is restricted 3) An ftpmaster

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-20 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
Hi Charles, Am Sa, 20.03.2010, 16:46, schrieb Charles Plessy: Lastly, I think that we need some referees for our technical disagreements, and the technical comittee fits well that role. If I am elected DPL, I will ping its members and ask them if they would like to leave their seat to fresh

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 06:44:23PM +, Clint Adams wrote: I had meant to send three sets of questions on Thursday morning, but things kept coming up, so I will send an unfinished one now. Well, thanks anyhow, this is a heck of a question! I start answering by exposing what I think should be

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Lastly, I think that we need some referees for our technical disagreements, and the technical comittee fits well that role. If I am elected DPL, I will ping its members and ask them if they would like to leave their seat to fresh persons. I'm a little

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-20 Thread Frans Pop
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [ Disclaimer: I don't know the technical setup of www.d.o, so I don't know if there is a different between commit time and publish time. Until I fix this ignorance of mine, that would surely block me from committing, for instance :-) ] No, there is not. The website

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 05:59:35PM +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm a écrit : I'm not sure I understand you correctly here. Are you saying that you will -- if elected DPL -- suggest the current members of the technical comittee to step back just for the sake of having new people in their seats? Le Sat,

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Clint Adams wrote: 4) The tech-ctte has the power to appoint its own members. I do not know why they should be allowed to self-manage when their judgment on the issues raised to them has often been less-than-stellar. [...] If there are decisions which are

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 06:44:23PM +, Clint Adams wrote: I had meant to send three sets of questions on Thursday morning, but things kept coming up, so I will send an unfinished one now. 1) 114 people have commit access to webwml. Given that version control makes it easy to undo

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:36:53PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 06:44:23PM +, Clint Adams wrote: Is there any legitimate reason that wanna-build access should be restricted to any group smaller than the entirety of gid 800 membership? There was. [...snip

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-03-19 Thread Frans Pop
Wouter Verhelst wrote: 1) 114 people have commit access to webwml. Given that version control makes it easy to undo changes, minimizing risk and impact, are there any legitimate reasons why this repository should be restricted to a group any smaller than the whole of gid 800? No; and in

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: casting the lead to fathom our course

2007-03-16 Thread Ron
Hi Steve, I'd like to avoid discussing this on -vote, the questions were primarily to elicit your opinions, and we aren't voting on mine ;-) If there are topics you think should be discussed further, please feel free to move them to the appropriate forum for the issue. Since you've turned a

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: casting the lead to fathom our course

2007-03-15 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 07:23:06PM +1030, Ron wrote: snip Some years back now, the DAM's of the day announced they would be suspending the processing of NM applicants while we figured out how to deal with this change to our environment, and likewise to the type of people presenting themselves as

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: casting the lead to fathom our course

2007-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 07:23:06PM +1030, Ron wrote: [...background snipped...] So... with some background now in place, and given that some of the candidates have proposed in their platforms that we further accelerate the processing of NM applications to include people in the keyring, and

Questions for DPL candidates: casting the lead to fathom our course

2007-03-10 Thread Ron
Hi all, There are some talking points I'd like to hear the candidates talk more about before deciding who may have the best chance of acting in ways that improve our project as a whole, so to set the scene: Recently there have been a number of discussions on the merits of raising raising the

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: casting the lead to fathom our course

2007-03-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Ron wrote: Some years back now, the DAM's of the day announced they would be suspending the processing of NM applicants while we figured out how to deal with this change to our environment, and likewise to the type of people presenting themselves as applicants. Rather

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 05:47:45AM +0100, Simon Richter wrote: The idea itself is not a bad one, however during the entire course of the experiment it was never questioned by the proponents that we should go through with it. Declaring it an experiment did not have the desired effect of

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-06 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007, Clown Adams wrote: Are you referring to Frans or AJ when you say that? Don't be jealous. -- Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 05 Mar 2007, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:32:03PM +, MJ Ray wrote: QUESTION 1: Some DDs expressed those views and some candidates seem to be interpreting this as a general debian money-hate or business-hate. What evidence is there that such views

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:56:10AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[...] None; or, at least, not more than I currently do. Except, perhaps, on IRC, but then I don't expect the press to appear there. I warn you, there are reporters on IRC during meetings for

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:32:03PM +, MJ Ray wrote: QUESTION 2: Firstly, several candidates have not worn any comparable hat AFAIK, so how could I decide whether they would use a DPL hat wisely? I'm not sure you can. Personally, I'd rather see us establish a habit of having people

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 10:25:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 04 mars 2007 à 10:21 +0100, Andreas Barth a écrit : I hope you realize that your blog posts were one of the reasons why I reduced the time I spend on the release dramatically. It is just frustrating if people try

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-05 Thread MJ Ray
Aigars Mahinovs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * from the negative side we can see that Debian does not like money. In particular two things come to mind - Debian as a project should not pay people (any payments must be totally separate from Debian) and Debian does not necessary trust the paid

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 14:52 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : Criticise, yes. Mock, no. If I understand your opinion, Greg Folkert's way of criticising people is acceptable, while Sam's is not. Is that correct? -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `.

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Michael Banck
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 02:52:32PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 14:52 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : Criticise, yes. Mock, no. If I understand your opinion, Greg Folkert's way of criticising people is acceptable, while Sam's is not. Is that correct? Greg isn't a

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does your no compensation clarification mean that it is not as unacceptable to mock people for doing things they like if they do get compensated? Well, if *I* get compensated enough, I'm willing to be mocked :) So yes, I find it somewhat more

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm getting pissed off by this attitude of many free software developers, who think that no one has the right to criticise their work, because they are volunteers. Criticise, yes. Mock, no. I'll define the terms, just to be clear: Criticise: To

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 13:58 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : This attitude is the very single one that I absolutely hate in volunteer organizations. Why should you get mocked for doing things you like with no compensation? What moral right do the mockers have? I'm getting pissed off by this

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I understand your opinion, Greg Folkert's way of criticising people is acceptable, while Sam's is not. Is that correct? I don't have a ready-made opinion on either Greg or Sam, I haven't really read that many opinions by either. I took a quick look

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you are in a visible position in a group, you are also in the position to be mocked, and it's something people should get used to. This attitude is the very single one that I absolutely hate in volunteer organizations. Why should you get mocked

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you are in a visible position in a group, you are also in the position to be mocked, and it's something people should get used to. This attitude is the very single one that I absolutely hate in

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
[It's not entirely clear whether you want everyone to reply to this, or just Aigars. I'm answering anyway, just to be on the safe side :) ] On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:32:03PM +, MJ Ray wrote: QUESTION 1: Some DDs expressed those views and some candidates seem to be interpreting this as a

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 15:05 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : Well, if *I* get compensated enough, I'm willing to be mocked :) So yes, I find it somewhat more acceptable. As a semi-RL example, I've been thinking about a game fee for sports officials: travel costs plus 20 euros per each insult

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-05 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
MJ Ray wrote: Aigars Mahinovs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * from the negative side we can see that Debian does not like money. In particular two things come to mind - Debian as a project should not pay people (any payments must be totally separate from Debian) and Debian does not necessary trust

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-05 Thread MJ Ray
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[...] [It's not entirely clear whether you want everyone to reply to this, or just Aigars. [...] ] Sorry. I'm interested in replies from any candidates. I'll leave the questions untrimmed below, just in case. On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:32:03PM +

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:41:22PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 13:58 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : This attitude is the very single one that I absolutely hate in volunteer organizations. Why should you get mocked for doing things you like with no compensation?

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 06:09:24PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: There's a difference between criticizing someone's work, and being an insufferable prick. Are you referring to Frans or AJ when you say that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 02:33:17PM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote: Has going back to a 2.6.17 kernel been considered? No. There were probably reasons to accept 2.6.18 only four days before base was frozen, Yes, IIRC it was the assessment of the kernel team that 2.6.17 would not be supportable

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Andreas Barth
* Sam Hocevar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070302 03:36]: I know I hurt a few people with my blog entries (though I should mention I also got much positive feedback from people who were happy to have fun in an otherwise frustrating atmosphere) and I am sorry about that. It was my way not to leave

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Andreas Barth
* Sam Hocevar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070303 14:56]: On Fri, Mar 02, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: To state it plainly: the blocker for the etch release for the past 2 months or so has been the kernel. This was known, and it was stated. I don't remember seeing anyone from outside the

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 04 mars 2007 à 10:21 +0100, Andreas Barth a écrit : I hope you realize that your blog posts were one of the reasons why I reduced the time I spend on the release dramatically. It is just frustrating if people try to destroy the work you are doing. I hope you realize Sam's blog

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Julien BLACHE
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you realize that your blog posts were one of the reasons why I reduced the time I spend on the release dramatically. It is just frustrating if people try to destroy the work you are doing. Nothing too dramatic, really. And, like Joss, sam's posts

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 11:46:53AM +0100, Julien BLACHE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you realize that your blog posts were one of the reasons why I reduced the time I spend on the release dramatically. It is just frustrating if people try to

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Julien BLACHE
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, like Joss, sam's posts brought some fun back into Debian at a time where I really needed it to continue working on Debian. I think there might be a cultural issue... Or just some people lacking a sense of humor. It's so easy to dismiss anything you

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Julien BLACHE ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070304 13:17]: Or just some people lacking a sense of humor. It's so easy to dismiss anything you don't like as being either trolling or a cheap ad hominem attack instead of, you know, just thinking about it for a minute, asking yourself if, by any

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What is the role of the DPL? Is he a strong leader, who uses his position to Get Things Done His Way, a public figurehead, who just Speaks For The Project, a mediator, who tries to solve internal squabbles, or something else? A DPL should be all

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What do you think of the dunc-tank initiative ? What do you think are the result of the experiment ? I think that result is twofold: * from the positive side we can see that people who are paid to do a specific job, can do that job with a higher

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Julien BLACHE
Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: julien, what is your agenda here? you come across as distracting and trolling. you contributed nothing worthwhile so far. please stop it and dont generate avoidable traffic during election time (which is busy enough as it is). Contrary to others

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Why do you think you will be a good DPL? Because I have the vision of how Debian can maintain its former (and, to lesser extend, current) importance in the free software movement. I am also good at looking at a problem from multiple points of view

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, to the questions: * How important are regular releases for the project? Less important then the quality of said releases and the overall importance of the Debian project in the free software movement. * How important are regular stable

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ First of all, apologies for the delayed response; I'm catching up after several days of FOSDEM-plague :-( ] Hi Kalle, On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:57:21AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Now that we are well into the campaigning period, I'd like to ask each candidate a couple of questions. Feel

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ First of all, apologies for the delayed response; I'm catching up after several days of FOSDEM-plague :-( ] Hi Mike, On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 09:50:41AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: Hi, These questions may be skipped by AJ, because the

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ First of all, apologies for the delayed response; I'm catching up after several days of FOSDEM-plague :-( ] Hi Ana, On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 12:13:12AM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: Hi, here my questions: Why do you think you will be a good DPL? As I've said in

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ First of all, apologies for the delayed response; I'm catching up after several days of FOSDEM-plague :-( ] Hi Marc, On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 12:16:21PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: Hi, I would be happy to hear answers from all candidates to these questions, but I expect

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread MJ Ray
Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] julien, what is [...] Please stop cluttering the list with personal attacks on non-candidates (and preferably don't character-asassinate candidates either). -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Finally, I'm curious - where do you stand on these issues? Well, I guess I should send this as a private email to Steve, but considering that most of the candidates have answered these already, here are my personal opinions :) What is the role of the

on hats... Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, this is maybe a bit off-topic here, but as the notion of hats have become quite popular in Debian in the last two years or so, I want to comment on this. On Sunday 04 March 2007 19:57, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: My belief is that the DPL hat is something you can take off. Yes. But if the

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Frank Küster
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ First of all, apologies for the delayed response; I'm catching up after several days of FOSDEM-plague :-( ] Hi Mike, On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 09:50:41AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: Hi, These

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm confused. In your other mail you wrote I think you find that *I* wrote what you quoted after this. -- * Sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology (T.P) * * PGP public key available @ http://www.iki.fi/killer

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007, Frank Küster wrote: I think that dunc-tank was a very good idea on the part of AJ, a DPL looking for new ways in which to help the release process. I'm confused. In your other mail you wrote , | My belief is that the DPL hat is something you can take off. Of

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Clint Adams
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 10:02:29PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: After discussions, he decided to continue that experience outside of Debian as DD. One can discuss how much he succeeded at that, but the distinction between the initial idea launch as DPL and the setup as DD should be pretty

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Frank Küster
Kalle Kivimaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm confused. In your other mail you wrote I think you find that *I* wrote what you quoted after this. Uups, sorry. I was really confused. Just forget about it. Regards, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-04 Thread Frank Küster
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please drop this, you know the history as well as everybody. Anthony started the discussion with his DPL hat because he wanted to do that within Debian. After discussions, he decided to continue that experience outside of Debian as DD. One can

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-03 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: To state it plainly: the blocker for the etch release for the past 2 months or so has been the kernel. This was known, and it was stated. I don't remember seeing anyone from outside the kernel team step forward to tackle any of the kernel's RC

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-03 Thread David Nusinow
This should probably go on -devel or -project, so feel free to move the thread. On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 02:12:46AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: To state it plainly: the blocker for the etch release for the past 2 months or so has been the kernel. This was known, and it was stated. I don't

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 03:36:10AM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote: Only after the freeze is it possible to do certain kinds of systematic QA, such as checking for build failures within testing. Have you taken that into account when deeming that a decline of 10-20 bugs over two months indicates

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-02 Thread Frank Küster
Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you feel that the DPL is first and foremost The Debian Project Leader, in the sense that anything Debian-related the DPL does, he does so as the DPL, not as a DD or a private person? Both. Foremost, the position of the DPL is a hat that can be put on

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 04:55:58PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Unfortunately we have big cultural differences when it comes to use of the money. Some people [...] feel they are some sort of second class developers because they will never have

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-01 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: * we announced a bogus release date. I know not everyone agrees on who is responsible for that announcement, Who do you believe is responsible for that announcement? The story as I understand it is that the press team slightly changed the

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-01 Thread Simon Richter
Hello, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: What is the role of the DPL? Is he a strong leader, who uses his position to Get Things Done His Way, a public figurehead, who just Speaks For The Project, a mediator, who tries to solve internal squabbles, or something else? The current role seems to be that the

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-01 Thread Simon Richter
I wrote: There is a lot of gray area between those extremes, and we have to decide on a case-by-case basis. I can see Debian spending more money than it used to (e.g. to get some of the developer machines back up), but I want to avoid both setting precedent and starting an internal

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-01 Thread Simon Richter
Hello, What do you think of the dunc-tank initiative ? What do you think are the result of the experiment ? I think we should have been able to see the outcome before trying it. The idea itself is not a bad one, however during the entire course of the experiment it was never questioned by

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-01 Thread Simon Richter
Hello, Ana Guerrero wrote: Why do you think you will be a good DPL? I see the role of the DPL mostly as a mediator; for that to work it is important to listen and to be able to put one's own opinion aside; both of which I think I can do. What you can for Debian as DPL that you can not

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-02-28 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: What do you think of the dunc-tank initiative ? First the good things. I clearly think dunc-tank helped Steve and Andi be more productive, and all things equal otherwise this improved the release. There is no denying that. I see several problems

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-02-28 Thread Frank Küster
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [to Sam Hovecar] If you think there's a usual two-month buffer that applies to release date targets, why, before we'd even reached the original target release date, were you publicly mocking the release team's efforts in your blog? I appreciate your

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