Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-14 Thread Debian Project Secretary
Hi, OK. As I see it, there was a amendment posted From: Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:30:56 -0500 (CDT) with the final version being in: From: Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Sorry to follow up on myself, but I also felt that the changes made in this reformulation were mostly cosmetic, and would not require a resetting of the discussion period; and there have been no objections in the 72 hours since the last second was received. manoj --

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-14 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 12:24:34PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Sorry to follow up on myself, but I also felt that the changes made in this reformulation were mostly cosmetic, and would not require a resetting of the discussion period; and there have been no objections in

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-14 Thread Debian Project Secretary
Hi, OK. As I see it, there was a amendment posted From: Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:30:56 -0500 (CDT) with the final version being in: From: Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 09:44:03AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: Thus this web page should be more like: Proposal D: Rescinds the previous GR, reverting to the version 1.0 of the social contract.

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-11 Thread Davide G. M. Salvetti
OA == Osamu Aoki [2004-5-9] [...] OA Thus this web page should be more like: OA OA Proposal D: Rescinds the previous GR, reverting to the version 1.0 of the OA social contract. OA This amendment deletes everything

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-11 Thread Davide G. M. Salvetti
OA == Osamu Aoki [2004-5-9] OA On Sat, May 08, 2004 at 10:14:38AM +0200, Davide G. M. Salvetti wrote: [...] I more or less agree with some (actually not so many, by far not all) of the rationales listed by Osamu. OA Please point out if you find factual mistakes. No, I'm not aware of

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-10 Thread Osamu Aoki
Thanks, but On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 08:54:55PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Quoting Xavier Roche: Yes, seconded. Seconded as well (if really needed). With all respect, since we need to get single version agreed, can you second the shorter version I posted after comments from Davide G. M.

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-10 Thread Xavier Roche
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? Yes, seconded. Craig Sanders proposed the following resolution [1] (reformatted):

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Quoting Xavier Roche: On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? Yes, seconded. Seconded as well (if really needed). Craig Sanders proposed

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-10 Thread Osamu Aoki
Thanks, but On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 08:54:55PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Quoting Xavier Roche: Yes, seconded. Seconded as well (if really needed). With all respect, since we need to get single version agreed, can you second the shorter version I posted after comments from Davide G. M.

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-09 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 11:04:41AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: i originally meant delete everything but clause 1, but it really doesn't matter. the opening paragraph is just filler fluff and it doesn't bother me whether it is there or not. i.e. i'm happy with the amendment either way.

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-09 Thread Xavier Roche
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 09:44:03AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: The Debian Project, hereby resolves: 1. that the amendments to the Social Contract contained within the General Resolution Editorial Amendments To The Social

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-09 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 11:04:41AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: i originally meant delete everything but clause 1, but it really doesn't matter. the opening paragraph is just filler fluff and it doesn't bother me whether it is there or not. i.e. i'm happy with the amendment either way.

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-09 Thread Xavier Roche
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 09:44:03AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: The Debian Project, hereby resolves: 1. that the amendments to the Social Contract contained within the General Resolution Editorial Amendments To The Social

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-09 Thread Xavier Roche
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? Yes, seconded. Craig Sanders proposed the following resolution [1] (reformatted):

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Quoting Xavier Roche: On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? Yes, seconded. Seconded as well (if really needed). Craig Sanders proposed

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-08 Thread Davide G. M. Salvetti
OA == Osamu Aoki [2004-5-7] [...] OA * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second OA this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? I think that Craig's proposal should be on the ballot, therefore I signed it. I more or less agree with some (actually not so

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-08 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sat, May 08, 2004 at 10:14:38AM +0200, Davide G. M. Salvetti wrote: OA == Osamu Aoki [2004-5-7] [...] OA * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second OA this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? I think that Craig's proposal should be on the ballot,

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-08 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 12:41:50AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: Hmm I had no intention to change Craig's original. What he wrote was an incomplete sentence referencing Steve's proposal. These words slipped in from Steve's when I tried to make a full proposal out of them. I think your

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, May 08, 2004 at 10:14:38AM +0200, Davide G. M. Salvetti wrote: Coming to the Osamu's proposed reformulation, I like Craig's original wording much more than that. In particular I don't like that «but recognizing that changing the Social Contract today would have grave consequences for

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-08 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sat, May 08, 2004 at 10:14:38AM +0200, Davide G. M. Salvetti wrote: OA == Osamu Aoki [2004-5-7] [...] OA * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second OA this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? I think that Craig's proposal should be on the ballot,

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-08 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 12:41:50AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: Hmm I had no intention to change Craig's original. What he wrote was an incomplete sentence referencing Steve's proposal. These words slipped in from Steve's when I tried to make a full proposal out of them. I think your

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 6 May 2004 19:10:37 -0400, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? There doesn't seem to be any formal

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 4 May 2004 00:16:25 +0200, Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, Since Craig's proposal [1] seems to have gotten enough seconds [2], let me summarize it while giving a new concise title and a new thread. Excuse me if I am biased. If you want to see this adopted as the

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? There doesn't seem to be any formal requirement for rationales to be seconded. Personally, I don't agree

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? i am happy with this version of my amendment and the rationale for it. * Those whose name appear but not

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 07:10:37PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? There doesn't seem to be any formal

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? There doesn't seem to be any formal requirement for rationales to be seconded. Personally, I don't agree

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? i am happy with this version of my amendment and the rationale for it. * Those whose name appear but not

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 07:10:37PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? There doesn't seem to be any formal

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-04 Thread Guido Trotter
On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:16:25AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi, Here is the list of rationale raised for this proposal: * People can make mistake and should be allowed to correct it. * This deserves to be an option on the ballet. * Full impact assessment by Anthony Towns [3] revealed the

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-04 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, One thing we all can agree is that there have been long and many arguments over what SC really means and there are few camps out there with totally different views. On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 08:05:38PM +0200, Guido Trotter wrote: On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:16:25AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote:

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-04 Thread Guido Trotter
On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:16:25AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi, Here is the list of rationale raised for this proposal: * People can make mistake and should be allowed to correct it. * This deserves to be an option on the ballet. * Full impact assessment by Anthony Towns [3] revealed the

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-04 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, One thing we all can agree is that there have been long and many arguments over what SC really means and there are few camps out there with totally different views. On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 08:05:38PM +0200, Guido Trotter wrote: On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:16:25AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: