Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Joe Nahmias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: Comments and feedback appreciated. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 2. You may rank

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 11:36:12PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Here is a draft ballot for the GR under discussion. Thanks for circulating this draft. I have some editorial suggestions. ## Votes must be

Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi guys, Many thanks to the people who provided feedback. Here is another _draft_ which incorporates the suggested improvements. manoj ## Votes must be received by Tue, Oct 28 23:59:59 UTC 2003. This

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C: Clarifies status of non-technical documents. Creates Foundation Documents class which requires 3:1 majority to change and includes _only_ the

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:51:09 +0100, Jochen Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hello, On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 11:36:12PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [ ] Choice 1: Proposal A [ ] Choice 2: Proposal B [ ] Choice 3:

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:59:13 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C: Clarifies status of non-technical documents. Creates Foundation

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-10-13, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C: Clarifies status of non-technical documents. Creates Foundation Documents class which

Re: Practical question [Re: Updated proposed ballot...]

2003-10-13 Thread Smurf
Hi, what will happen if none of them receives a 3:1 majority, but the sum of the three does? Sorry, wrong question. This is a Condorcet vote; we don't sum anything. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly.

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Joe Nahmias
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Here is the new version. This vote is being conducted in accordance with the Debian Constitution, Section A, Standard Resolution Procedure, to vote on a General Resolution to amend the constitution to disambiguate section 4.1.5. Don't know how I missed this

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:59:13 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C:

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Jochen Voss
Hi, On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:04:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Discussion choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the Further Discussion choice by the voting software). If the software implements the quota and

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: There are definitely two camps about this. One camp, whose views I subscribe to, believes that the juxtaposition is mere happenstance; and that when the social contract talks about us including a definition of what is

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 06:27:16PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: == It occurs to me that there are some people who may wish to afford the Debian Social

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:13:05 + (UTC), Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 2003-10-13, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C: Clarifies

Re: Practical question [Re: Updated proposed ballot...]

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:37:12AM -0400, David Coe wrote: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because A, B, and C all make the same change to the first sentence of paragraph 5: -5. Issue nontechnical policy documents and statements. +5. Issue, supersede and withdraw

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:25:12 +0100, Jochen Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:04:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Discussion choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the Further Discussion

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Yet another update for the ballot. I've corrected run on sentences, removed a me from the rationale, added clarifications in the rationale that the proposal intends the DFSG and the SC to be considered distinct works. manoj

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:37:59PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: There are definitely two camps about this. One camp, whose views I subscribe to, believes that the juxtaposition is mere happenstance; and that when the

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Joe Nahmias
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Yet another update for the ballot. conducted in accordance with the policy delinated in Section A, Standard s/delinated/delineated/ Other than that, looks good. Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

3:1 majority and 3:1 super-majority

2003-10-13 Thread Osamu Aoki
Very simple English question. Please elucidate me. Was there any specific reason to use 3:1 majority and 3:1 super-majority in a same section for Proposal A and C? They look inconsistent to me but seem to cause no real impact. I am talking following sections: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at

The public key for the Section 4.1.5 GR vote

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, The following is the public key used which shall be used by the vote engine to sign acks sent out. It has been signed by my key, and I will also include it in the ballot itself. manoj -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux)

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:15, Manoj Srivastava wrote: your ballot; the voting mechanism shall not be able to decrypt your message. I'm no native speaker of english, but that shall seems strange to me. Maybe a will would be more appropriate? No. I was taught English which may

Re: Contact our Prize Department

2003-10-13 Thread PaleDrifter9
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Re: Contact our Prize Department

2003-10-13 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 22:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a banner come across my screen that said to contact prize department immediately that I was the 50,000,000 to visit. What do I do? Ignore it. It's some kind of hoax. We've seen other people who have been subjected toit. Debian is

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:43:04 -0400 (EDT), Joe Nahmias [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: Yet another update for the ballot. conducted in accordance with the policy delinated in Section A, Standard s/delinated/delineated/ Fixed now. manoj -- And so it

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:44:28 +0100, Oliver Elphick [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:15, Manoj Srivastava wrote: your ballot; the voting mechanism shall not be able to decrypt your message. I'm no native speaker of english, but that shall seems strange to me. Maybe a

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:08:27 -0400, Aaron M Ucko [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have a couple of typographical nits: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ ] Choice 1: Proposal A [3:1 super majority needed] [...] these proposals require a 3:1 super-majority in order to pass (as they

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:39:24 -0400, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: Will implies a wish as well. You think Devotee can have wishes, but not intents? You should probably learn about the concept of anthropomorphism. The rock will fall at 9.8 m/s/s. You'd claim the

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Here is the current incarnation. manoj ## Votes must be received by Tue, Oct 28 23:59:59 UTC 2003. The following ballot is for voting on a General Resolution to amend the Debian Constitution to

Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Here is a draft ballot for the GR under discussion. There are 3 variants being proposed, and hence the ballot begins to look like the draft below. This is a draft, the first call for votes goes out on Tuesday. Comments and feedback appreciated. manoj

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:36:12 -0500 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, Here is a draft ballot for the GR under discussion. There are 3 variants being proposed, and hence the ballot begins to look like the draft below. This is a draft, the first call for votes goes

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Joe Nahmias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: Comments and feedback appreciated. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 2. You may rank

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 11:36:12PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Here is a draft ballot for the GR under discussion. Thanks for circulating this draft. I have some editorial suggestions. ## Votes must be

Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi guys, Many thanks to the people who provided feedback. Here is another _draft_ which incorporates the suggested improvements. manoj ## Votes must be received by Tue, Oct 28 23:59:59 UTC 2003. This

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: == 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election 4.1. Powers Together, the Developers may: 1. Appoint or recall the Project

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:51:09 +0100, Jochen Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hello, On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 11:36:12PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [ ] Choice 1: Proposal A [ ] Choice 2: Proposal B [ ] Choice 3:

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-10-13, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C: Clarifies status of non-technical documents. Creates Foundation Documents class which

Re: Practical question [Re: Updated proposed ballot...]

2003-10-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:37:12AM -0400, David Coe wrote: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I apologize if this has already been discussed, and for not raising the question earlier. Because A, B, and C all make the same change to the first sentence of paragraph 5: -5. Issue

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Joe Nahmias
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Here is the new version. This vote is being conducted in accordance with the Debian Constitution, Section A, Standard Resolution Procedure, to vote on a General Resolution to amend the constitution to disambiguate section 4.1.5. Don't know how I missed this

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:59:13 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C:

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Jochen Voss
Hi, On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:04:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Discussion choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the Further Discussion choice by the voting software). If the software implements the quota and

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: There are definitely two camps about this. One camp, whose views I subscribe to, believes that the juxtaposition is mere happenstance; and that when the social contract talks about us including a definition of what is

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 06:27:16PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: == It occurs to me that there are some people who may wish to afford the Debian Social

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:13:05 + (UTC), Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 2003-10-13, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C:

Re: Practical question [Re: Updated proposed ballot...]

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:37:12AM -0400, David Coe wrote: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because A, B, and C all make the same change to the first sentence of paragraph 5: -5. Issue nontechnical policy documents and statements. +5. Issue, supersede and withdraw

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:25:12 +0100, Jochen Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:04:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Discussion choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the Further Discussion

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:18:36 -0400 (EDT), Joe Nahmias [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the choice names. Out of curiousity, do you deal with this situation, and if so how? The ballot is rejected as corrupt. signed) with your

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Yet another update for the ballot. I've corrected run on sentences, removed a me from the rationale, added clarifications in the rationale that the proposal intends the DFSG and the SC to be considered distinct works. manoj

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:37:59PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: There are definitely two camps about this. One camp, whose views I subscribe to, believes that the juxtaposition is mere happenstance; and that when the

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Joe Nahmias
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Yet another update for the ballot. conducted in accordance with the policy delinated in Section A, Standard s/delinated/delineated/ Other than that, looks good. Joe

3:1 majority and 3:1 super-majority

2003-10-13 Thread Osamu Aoki
Very simple English question. Please elucidate me. Was there any specific reason to use 3:1 majority and 3:1 super-majority in a same section for Proposal A and C? They look inconsistent to me but seem to cause no real impact. I am talking following sections: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at

The public key for the Section 4.1.5 GR vote

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, The following is the public key used which shall be used by the vote engine to sign acks sent out. It has been signed by my key, and I will also include it in the ballot itself. manoj -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux)

Re: Practical question [Re: Updated proposed ballot...]

2003-10-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:37:12AM -0400, David Coe wrote: I apologize if this has already been discussed, and for not raising the question earlier. Because A, B, and C all make the same change to the first sentence of paragraph 5: -5. Issue nontechnical policy documents and

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:44:28 +0100, Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:15, Manoj Srivastava wrote: your ballot; the voting mechanism shall not be able to decrypt your message. I'm no native speaker of english, but that shall seems strange to me. Maybe a will

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
I have a couple of typographical nits: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: equally (as long as all choices X you make fall in the range 1= X = 4). Please space the inequality evenly (which may require moving it to the next line). Alternatively, you could substitute [1, 4]. [ ]

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:08:27 -0400, Aaron M Ucko [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have a couple of typographical nits: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ ] Choice 1: Proposal A [3:1 super majority needed] [...] these proposals require a 3:1 super-majority in order to pass (as they