Re: Condorcet Voting and Supermajorities (Re: [CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT] Disambiguation of 4.1.5)

2000-12-05 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 12:32:12AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The Condorcet criterion says that if there's a single option that pairwise beats every other option, it should win (assuming there's no supermajority requirement, and quorum is met). That's a relatively weak criterion, all

RE: Constitutional voting, definition of cummulative prefererence

2000-12-05 Thread Norman Petry
Raul Miller wrote: I would like to know if anyone have a specific problem with the following concept of cumulative preference: An individual ballot prefers option A to option B, if: (*) Option A is mentioned at some preference, and option B is not mentioned at all, or (*) Option A is

Re: Constitutional voting, definition of cummulative prefererence

2000-12-05 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 05:43:43PM -0600, Norman Petry wrote: One point though -- I recommend that you avoid reference to numerical rankings in the constitutional wording. So long as ballots are submitted by e-mail, it may make sense for voters to number the options. In the future, however,

Re: Condorcet Voting and Supermajorities (Re: [CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT] Disambiguation of 4.1.5)

2000-12-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 11:20:15PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: My point of view is that these two are essentially equivalent: in the N+1 style of voting, a person who thinks that the option isn't the best would vote for further discussion. Well, they might do that, yes. Or else they might

Re: I'm not quitting that easy. (Was: Re: I would like to vote also.)

2000-12-05 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 11:41:48AM -0800, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: You don't have to put my key in the ring if you don't want to. Wait Karl, Karl, Karl. Your new key would have been accepted if you simply got it signed the proper way. Instead, you proposed lots of insecure haphazard schemes to

Re: Condorcet Voting and Supermajorities (Re: [CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT] Disambiguation of 4.1.5)

2000-12-05 Thread Raul Miller
My point of view is that these two are essentially equivalent: in the N+1 style of voting, a person who thinks that the option isn't the best would vote for further discussion. Well, they might do that, yes. Or else they might think to themselves, well, I'm never going to get my

Re: Condorcet Voting and Supermajorities (Re: [CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT] Disambiguation of 4.1.5)

2000-12-05 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 12:32:12AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The Condorcet criterion says that if there's a single option that pairwise beats every other option, it should win (assuming there's no supermajority requirement, and quorum is met). That's a relatively weak criterion, all

Constitutional voting, definition of cummulative prefererence

2000-12-05 Thread Raul Miller
I would like to know if anyone have a specific problem with the following concept of cumulative preference: An individual ballot prefers option A to option B, if: (*) Option A is mentioned at some preference, and option B is not mentioned at all, or (*) Option A is mentioned at a lower

RE: Constitutional voting, definition of cummulative prefererence

2000-12-05 Thread Norman Petry
Raul Miller wrote: I would like to know if anyone have a specific problem with the following concept of cumulative preference: An individual ballot prefers option A to option B, if: (*) Option A is mentioned at some preference, and option B is not mentioned at all, or (*) Option A is

Re: Constitutional voting, definition of cummulative prefererence

2000-12-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 03:24:34PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: An individual ballot prefers option A to option B, if: (*) Option A is mentioned at some preference, and option B is not mentioned at all, or (*) Option A is mentioned at a lower cannonical preference number than option B. (This

Re: Constitutional voting, definition of cummulative prefererence

2000-12-05 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 05:43:43PM -0600, Norman Petry wrote: One point though -- I recommend that you avoid reference to numerical rankings in the constitutional wording. So long as ballots are submitted by e-mail, it may make sense for voters to number the options. In the future, however,