Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:30:55 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 11:57:47PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Ah. If all this GR is a trial baloon to see the level of support the non-free packages have, ok. If you want to actually remove non-free from debian

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:20:14 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 12:33:13AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:09:09 +, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 2004-01-02 10:33:23 + Emmanuel Charpentier Because I somehow doubt

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:21:32 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 12:31:01AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If you are referring to angband and tome, and this is your level of understanding about replacements, I must confess the proposal is less appealing

Re: one of the many reasons why removing non-free is a dumb idea

2004-01-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, two-headed, fire-breathing dragon. Willow Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: The Free vs. Non-Free issue

2004-01-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:00:27 +, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 2004-01-10 08:56:37 + Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can a GR commit to any specific transition support? If the other actions proposed by hte GR are contingent of the transition plan, then perhaps

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

2004-01-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
the will. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:52:47 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 03:10:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:32:42 -0600, John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 11:31:13PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hey

Re: Technical: Voting software

2004-01-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
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Re: social contract proposals

2004-02-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
is, they use their teeth. -- Robert Orben Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

GR's modifying the status of non-free

2004-02-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
and losses. The Guru doesn't take sides; she welcomes both hackers and lusers. The Tao is like a stack: the data changes but not the structure. the more you use it, the deeper it becomes; the more you talk of it, the less you understand. Hold on to the root. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Disposition of original non-free proposal?

2004-02-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
from 2000, I'm not sure if that still holds. I think you have sufficient time to add a third variant to the two already on the non-free ballot. manoj -- I demand IMPUNITY! Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12

Re: GR status

2004-02-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
toward the elimination of human rights. Dan Quayle, El Salvador, Feb 1989 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: General Resolution: Handling of the non-free section

2004-02-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
anderson Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: GR status

2004-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:44:25 +, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It delays the vote in order to add a second status quo option to the ballot. In what way exactly is the default option not the status quo? manoj -- Sometimes even to live is an act of courage. Seneca Manoj

Re: GR status

2004-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
that means -- or I a certainly do not want them having a say in where the project is headed. manoj -- Raffiniert ist der Herrgott aber boshaft ist er nicht. Albert Einstein Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
the State demands a fee for allowing you to do business, it's called 'sales tax'. Jeff Daiell Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
be separated, and exercise common sense? manoj -- VMS version 2.0 == Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Questions for the candidates

2004-03-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
who have questions to bring them forth on this mailing list; and the candidates are free not to respond to questions that they do not wish to respond to. manoj -- Incompetents often hire able assistants. -- Douglas Evelyn Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org

Re: Questions for the candidates

2004-03-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
that? manoj -- Date: 28 Mar 90 21:35:44 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal Schwartz) ($_=Just another Perl hacker,); 0 while s#.# do {print $;} #e,s/^1//; Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: Questions for the candidates

2004-03-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
mailing list traffic, which that question certainly was). manoj -- A man of great immorality is like a creeper, suffocating the tree it is on. He does to himself just what an enemy would wish him. 162 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print

Re: Questions to candidates - Debian/FSF discussions

2004-03-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, New York City Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
coming at you, duck. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
look at the people he gave it to. Dorthy Parker Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, bigoted group. Helen, please accept my apologies; we are not quite grown up enough to be able to interact with women yet. manoj -- *Real* wizards don't whine about how they paid their dues. Quentin Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
used debian lesbian. so have yah? 20:46 helix tam: that's only a male fantasy -- To vacillate or not to vacillate, that is the question ... or is it? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
is us Walt Kelly (in POGO) Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:17:20 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 11:06:40PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Indeed. For once I am ashamed to be a member of such a narrow minded, bigoted group. Helen, please accept my apologies; we are not quite grown up

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
: How to sit. How to drink. Want to quiz me? Cheers, Loverboyd Sam: Hey, how's life treating you there, Norm? Norm: Beats me. ... Then it kicks me and leaves me for dead. Cheers, Loverboyd Woody: How would a beer feel, Mr. Peterson? Norm: Pretty nervous if I was in the room. Cheers, Loverboyd Manoj

Re: EWL HOWTO unsuitable counterarguments, was: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, would obviously know what experiences women face in Debian. manoj -- I'm glad I was not born before tea. Sidney Smith (1771-1845) Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:25:49 +, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:37:43AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:07:06AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 10:04:15AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: http://www.linux.org

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
could wash our hands of the irc channels in the first place, but having restarted visiting #debian, I can say that a lot of people are being helped there as well. manoj -- On-line, adj.: The idea that a human being should always be accessible to a computer. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
open arms. With arms open you allow love to come and go as it wills, freely, for it will do so anyway. If you close your arms about love you'll find you are left only holding yourself. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, the mind of such a man is at peace, and his speech and action peaceful. 96 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:58:03 +, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:16:43PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 03:35:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:21:08AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: You have

Re: tb's questions for the candidates

2004-03-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
a whip? manoj -- May our nation continue to be the beakon of hope to the world. The Quayles' 1989 Christmas card. [Not a beacon of literacy, though.] Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 03:35:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:21:08AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: You have an alternate theory explaining the low incidence of women in male dominated activities like Debian, free software coding, coding in general

Re: tb's questions for the candidates

2004-03-08 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:08:52 +0100, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 09:09:40AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:32:45 +, Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: They should

Re: tb's questions for the candidates

2004-03-08 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 09:09:40 +0100, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:32:45 +, Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: They should be treated like people who don't follow their duties, We have duties now? Can you point to me

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-08 Thread Manoj Srivastava
no longer have to babysit devotee. manoj -- Assembly language experience is [important] for the maturity and understanding of how computers work that it provides. Gries Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
difficulty in matching. manoj -- I/O, I/O, It's off to disk I go, A bit or byte to read or write, I/O, I/O, I/O... Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
). You should, then, propose the constitutional amendment GR, and find sponsors. manoj -- If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all. Ronald Reagan Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
attitude. Spock, Metamorphosis, stardate 3219.8 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: drop or keep non-free - from users viewpoint

2004-03-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
MCMAHON doing BAD THINGS to JOAN RIVERS in a $200,000 MALIBU BEACH HOUSE!! Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: drop or keep non-free - from users viewpoint

2004-03-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, Why'n'tcha eat that piece of cake? ... and then, twenty minutes later, says, Y'know, if I were you, I wouldn't have done that! Steven and Ondrea Levine Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D

Re: still more questions for the candidates

2004-03-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
to jump in) manoj -- Did you hear that Captain Crunch, Sugar Bear, Tony the Tiger, and Snap, Crackle and Pop were all murdered recently... Police suspect the work of a cereal killer! Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:33:37 +, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 2004-03-11 19:20:41 + Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: non-free.org is vapourware, and god know what standards of quality it shall have; Debian does have a certain reputation for quality that purely

rebuttals, and business trip

2004-03-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. Vestiphobia: Fear of clothing. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Debian Project Leader Election

2004-03-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
PROTECTED] can go ahead and vote. I should be back home in another 8-9 hours, and shall then send in a signed, official CFV. I apologize fir this screw up. manoj -- Populus vult decipi. [The people like to be deceived.] Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]http

Re: Final call for votes for future handling of the non free section GR

2004-03-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
for these votes should soon be updated with a statistics link. http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_001 http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_002 manoj -- You know, we've won awards for this crap. David Letterman Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R

Re: Final call for votes for future handling of the non free section GR

2004-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
mailer does not mangle the signed message. % mailx -s 'My vote' [EMAIL PROTECTED] ballot.asc Should work in any case. manoj -- In just seven days, I can make you a man! The Rocky Horror Picture Show Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R

Re: Branden's Platform in German, Spanish, Italian, and (some) French

2004-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 21 Mar 2004 11:47:03 -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've even complained about this more than once on debian-devel, and been told to just get over it. You do have to learn to deal with group dynamics of any large social

Re: Final call for votes for future handling of the non free section GR

2004-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
had become socially correct for girls. Tom Wolfe, Bonfire of the Vanities Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Results for future handling of the non free section GR

2004-03-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
... Shriekback, Gunning for the Buddah Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Candidate questions/musings

2004-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
as nobody sees, Is taller than trees, Up, up it goes, And yet never grows? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Q: guidelines for post-campaign period?

2004-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. John Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] on debian-user Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Q: guidelines for post-campaign period?

2004-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
on the Mayflower, but they were there to meet the boat. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Candidate questions/musings

2004-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:13:41 +1000, Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:59:24AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:48:51 +1000, Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Yes, it is. And Debian's response to that was unpleasant enough that Bruce

Re: Q: guidelines for post-campaign period?

2004-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
to ignore questions they do not wish to answer. The decision not to hold the irc debates was taken by an entirely separate part of the collective. manoj -- Coincidences are spiritual puns. G.K. Chesterton Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta

Re: Candidate questions/musings

2004-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:24:08 +1000, Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 12:50:26AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: No, the problem is that if you try to lead people you'll quickly get someone accusing you of, eg, trying to herd them like sheep. Or otherwise

Re: GR: Editorial amendments to the social contract

2004-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
so. When you talk about computers/Operating systems, stuff is one of a) Software, b) Hardware, or c) Wetware. Everything on a Debian CD is software, and must meet the DFSG. manoj -- Either sue me, or shut the hell up. Greg Hennessy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manoj Srivastava

Re: Q: guidelines for post-campaign period?

2004-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
of creative men. There is logic in this; he is unbiased -- he hates all creative people equally. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB

Proposed ballot General Resolution: Editorial amendments to the social contract

2004-04-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
at a newspaper columnist, he'll get rich or famous or both. -- James C. Hagerty, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Proposal to modify DFSG

2004-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
the wall when the revolution comes... with regrets to D. Adams Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
-- Don't smoke the next cigarette. Repeat. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Proposed ballot for the GR: Deciding on the effect of GR 2004_003

2004-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
/RVTt8pc+NQ96ZeMf/SKITwQYEQIADwUCQKUZnQIbDAUJAE8a AAAKCRBXEAm6G+QM+aLsAKCzDucqbvvDxs7YbWv+CB4CGbkYcQCgpQnHY//7xrwC 5Bttf62SqJzXlT0= =xRmW -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- If I didn't have a Unix machine, I'd feel naked. Guess Who Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Dostoevsky, Notes From the Underground Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
you've had no computer training. Although that qualifies you for upper management, it means you're under-qualified for our entry level positions. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
distributions, so we can release the it. This is philosophically ugly, but then some people (perhaps RMS) think the same of debian as a whole. That would be doable. manoj -- In like a dimwit, out like a light. Pogo Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
taxes. MacKay, Mathematics 134b Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, I am given to undertand that when the uTF-8 extentions were added by Markus Kuhn, only free software was used). manoj -- Just remember: when you go to court, you are trusting your fate to twelve people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty! Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:49:12 +1000, Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 10:29:51AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: No, the exception is _entirely_ due to the fact that we don't require documentation, data, or firmware to be free. And debian-legal

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
the horrors that were about to unfold? manoj -- hacker, n.: A master byter. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
secretary, the greater the odds that the competition already has the order. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:10:47 -0400, Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: That is bot, BTW, how quorum works. You would need at least 46 people to change the foundation documents, as long as they were of one mind. I find it amusing that we

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:47:09 +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 10:34:55AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:31:15 +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm stunned that this GR passed. I was surprised when the secretary

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. Mt. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION! Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
against the secretary and, without proof, accuse him of substituting his opinion in the GR title. manoj -- The most disagreeable thing that your worst enemy says to your face does not approach what your best friends say behind your back. Alfred De Musset Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:08:39 +0200, Xavier Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:28:33 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: In order to be counted, seconds have to be signed. Sorry, my gpg signature wasn't sent apparently. I also second the Steve Langasek's proposal, with Duncan

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
who has something looks at all there is and wants all the rest. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Amendment of Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
of crud on the disk, 99 blocks of crud! You patch a bug, and dump it again: 100 blocks of crud on the disk! 100 blocks of crud on the disk, 100 blocks of crud! You patch a bug, and dump it again: 101 blocks of crud on the disk! ... Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta

Re: Amendment of Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:19:58 +0200, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I second hereby your proposals, without or with the small changes I proposed above (or that others are going to propose). You forgot a sig. manoj -- Know Thy User. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
with a HAIRPIECE!! Equip me with MISSILES!! Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
stupid; Open it and you remove all doubt. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-04-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
-- 3rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr fortune: Segmentation violation -- Core dumped Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB

Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-04-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
I am actively looking for seconds for this proposal. manoj -- May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

In defence of my proposed constitutional amendment

2004-04-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:55:41 -0500, Chad Walstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 03:57:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the list of foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, titled Transition

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
changes wrought. manoj -- * SynrG notes that the number of configuration questions to answer in sendmail is NON-TRIVIAL Seen on #Debian Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 2 May 2004 14:59:11 -0400, Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I really like the new version of this GR, but I noticed a few minor problems with it. Since even editorial changes to a foundation document require a GR (and a supermajority), I think it's best if we clean this up

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
as it happens to him, meets it head-on and licks it, or he turns his back on it and starts to wither away. Dr. Boyce, The Menagerie (The Cage), stardate unknown Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 2 May 2004 23:17:07 +0200, Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 01:15:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to add a sunset clause to the proposed Transition Guide, so that the specific references to Sarge

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Calendar Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
on -curiosa -- Being a miner, as soon as you're too old and tired and sick and stupid to do your job properly, you have to go, where the very opposite applies with the judges. Beyond the Fringe Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
could verify the sigs of other emails in this list (from Aaron M. Ucko, for example) manoj -- The girl who remembers her first kiss now has a daughter who can't even remember her first husband. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
it. Does anyone on the committee disagree with anything I've said above ? Yes. manoj -- IBM: It may be slow, but it's hard to use. Andrew Tannenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED], author of Minix and Amoeba Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
draw flowcharts after, not before, writing the programs they describe. Fred Brooks, Jr. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 3 May 2004 23:42:20 +0200, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040503 19:55]: On Mon, 3 May 2004 17:28:43 +0100, Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would ask all proposers and sponsors of resolutions to avoid calling for a vote

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 6 May 2004 00:24:12 +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 12:21:17PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 3 May 2004 17:28:43 +0100, Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Some other comments: * Our Secretary seems to be under the impression

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
readability suffers slightly... Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgp6ZQYr7nogu.pgp

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
refuse to answer that question. Did you ever stay all night with this man in Chicago? I refuse to answer that question. Did you ever stay all night with this man in Miami? No. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D

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