Re: High Rate of ballot rejections this year

2003-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:30:01 +0100 (CET), Peter Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava: gpg: verify signatures failed: unexpected data Encrypted Ballot 1 Uh, I thank that's me. Does this mean that one cannot cast the votes secretly, but must send them unencrypted? Or did I

Status of the elections

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
-devel as well manoj -- Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of magic. Arthur C. Clarke Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493

[Moshe Zadka m@moshez.org] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
to Dayton? Brian Boyle, UNIX/WORLD's First Annual Salary Survey Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgpwpLnWJ1Rc9.pgp

Request for a vote recount

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
release - the way of such people is hard to follow, like the path of birds through the sky. 92 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24

Re: [Moshe Zadka m@moshez.org] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. manoj -- The sun never sets on those who ride into it. RKO Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: integrity of elections

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, but of respect and joy in each others life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof. Richard Bach Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B

Re: integrity of elections

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. manoj -- Most people have a mind that's open by appointment only. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: High Rate of ballot rejections this year

2003-03-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:13:33 +0100 (CET), Peter Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava: Why is it harsh? I certainly did not mean it to be. It was meant to be a statement of fact. Okay, the use of shall instead of will just sounded very weird to me. But then again

Election status

2003-03-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
... Robert J Woodhead ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgpI4dxxg5J4g.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Results of Independent Vote Count

2003-03-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
on master.debian.org in the /org/vote.debian.org/bin directory. The cron script that calls them all can be found on master as ~srivasta/vote.cron That would be ~srivasta/bin/vote.cron manoj -- Sanity is the trademark of a weak mind. Mark Harrold Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
it. Geniuses remove it. Perlis's Programming Proverb #58, SIGPLAN Notices, Sept. 1982 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
entertainment value in watching people juggle nitroglycerin. Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Voting on voting systems amendment

2003-04-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
be happy to start the discussion then, unless Raul or AJ want to do it now. manoj -- A quarrel is quickly settled when deserted by one party; there is no battle unless there be two. Seneca Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-04-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
important things to be done on devotee than protecting against such astronomical odds. manoj -- Many changes of mind and mood; do not hesitate too long. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5

Re: ccing messages

2003-04-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
should reflect a little before throwing back images. Jean Cocteau Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Voting System Requirements

2003-04-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
for any debian developer? manoj -- You are an excellent tactician, Captain. You let your second in command attack while you sit and watch for weakness. Khan Noonian Singh, Space Seed, stardate 3141.9 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095

Re: Voting System Requirements

2003-04-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:49:55 +0200, Jochen Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hello, On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 09:50:05AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Umm, mention that the actual voting software shall soon be packaged (name: devotee), and is currently available for inspection for any

Re: February 17th Voting GR draft

2003-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
they find unacceptable. __ -- interest, n.: What borrowers pay, lenders receive, stockholders own, and burned out employees must feign. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print

Re: DPL Election up to the minute status

2003-04-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
;-) manoj -- #!/usr/bin/perl -- Russ Allbery, Just Another Perl Hacker #yn{u$$[~||Juukn{=,S~|}Jwx}qn{Yn{uQjltn{ 0gFzD gD, 00Fz, 0,,( #0hF 0g)F/=, 0 L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~ @=,m,|,(e 0.), 01,pnn,y{ rw} #;,$0=q,$,,($_=$^)=~y,$/ C-~@=\n\r,-~$:-u/ ##y,d,s,(\$.),$1,gee,print Russ Allbery Manoj

April 17th Draft of the Voting GR

2003-04-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. __ -- Elvis is my copilot. Cal Keegan Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: April 17th Draft of the Voting GR

2003-04-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 18 Apr 2003 00:42:44 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Most of these seem to be style issues, I'll comment inline. On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 10:57, Manoj Srivastava wrote: 3. Votes are taken by the Project Secretary. Votes, tallies, and results are not revealed

Re: April 17th Draft of the Voting GR

2003-04-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
) 22 Aug 90 11:10:18 GMT Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: April 17th Draft of the Voting GR

2003-04-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
vote chooses which of those options wins. -- No matter how much money you spend, you can't make a racehorse out of a pig. You can, however, make an awfully fast pig. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC

Re: April 17th Draft of the Voting GR

2003-04-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
-- I've got a bad feeling about this. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: April 17th Draft of the Voting GR

2003-04-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:54:46 -0400, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I've also made explicit that only undropped defeats are used in determining the schwartz set. On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 04:05:06PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Whoa there. I think A transitively defeats option C

Re: April 17th Draft of the Voting GR

2003-04-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:44:56 +1000, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au said: On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 09:29:57PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 09:56:03AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 04:05:06PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Raul

April 23rd Draft

2003-04-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
to be you for a while. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: April 23rd Draft

2003-04-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:36:00 +1000, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au said: On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 12:45:46AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I have incorporated Rauls latest efforts on A.6. Jochen, do you still think we need to edit A.6.8 for clarity? I don't think this is any better

May 12th voting draft

2003-05-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
the perl distribution Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Ending votes early

2003-05-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
pleased. They've named a drink Fred? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 12 May 2003 19:44:48 -0400, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:52:17PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: After re-reading the draft (prompted by Branden on IRC), I think I don't know how to define when the vote is no longer in doubt, since people can always

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:01 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 06:52 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi folks, After re-reading the draft (prompted by Branden on IRC), I think I don't know how to define when the vote is no longer in doubt, since

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:10:56 -0400, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I've always taken it to mean ignoring the slight possibility that people who have voted didn't mean what they said. On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:02:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I am not sure that the possibility

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:23:19 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 09:02 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: BTW, people did revote on the last day of the DPL elections, and the narrowest victory was in single digit votes, ( 4 beats 2: 228 224 = 4

May 15 draft: Final candidate

2003-05-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
; But we never dissolve, Since it's out of the question for us To bring our committee To end like this ditty, Which stops with a period, thus. Leslie Lipson, The Committee Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27

Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
for the soul, but they are bad for the reputation. Lord Thomas Dewar Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -BEGIN PGP

[Ben Collins] Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
rather push my Harley than ride a rice burner. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

[Simon Law] Re: May 15 draft: Final candidate

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
---BeginMessage--- On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 04:39:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: In less than 24 hours, I'll declare this draft creation process done, and formally call for seconds. This draft no longer contains language empowering the secretary to cut the vote short when

Discussion period starts for the Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
] Fabio Massimo Di Nitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bas Zoetekouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] manoj - -- A day without sunshine is like night. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
RESPONDING, PROBABLY UP... Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgpTqvw2EXeSK.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Testing the voting scripts

2003-05-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 17 May 2003 18:47:20 +1000, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au said: On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 06:25:28PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: pub 1024D/DDB871CC 2003-05-14 The Debian Rainbow vote key (This is an insecure, temporary vote mechanism key) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Testing the voting scripts

2003-05-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 17 May 2003 15:21:50 +0100, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 04:48:21AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If you can come up with a provably secure protocol for devotee to use; I'll gladly switch to using that, provided that the additional cost

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 21 May 2003 10:12:52 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:58:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Scenario B: Consider the case where the quorum is 45, and there have been 44 votes -- 23 for, 21 against. (Only one option on the ballot). I am opposed

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
of their lives. Hugh Parmer, Democratic candidate for the 1990 U.S. Senate, from Texas Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
win, which is Not Good. I'd reject this change. Quite. manoj -- Mind your own business, then you don't mind mine. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
-- The average nutritional value of promises is roughly zero. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. manoj -- No! We will not die like dogs. We will fight like lions! The Three Amigos Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
be no protests when the DPL or tech ctte act, no? manoj -- No sooner said than done -- so acts your man of worth. Quintus Ennius Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966

Re: Better quorum change proposal, with justifiction

2003-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule. David Guaspari Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
and demand a beer as compensation. Bar Troubleshooting Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:59:32 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Ah, so now it is a matter of determining intent. So, short of providing code for telepathically determining the voters intent, how can one cater to people who really find A unacceptable

Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying GR

2003-05-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
''~%2fgr_voting.blt; access-type=local-file: Unrecognized pgpoEcUBO1V96.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Don't let your status become too quo! Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D

Public key for the Voting GR

2003-06-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
/BYkNGLyuqxMrXSWITAQYEQIADAUCPtglowUJABuvgAAKCRC8jfLPJlAH xYV4AJ0Z7Evk/EPO2h/DK6OqzkB8vQlQdwCgl2m0eJ8Aa7MuTOO8FKDfnrTiGo0= =kXR0 -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- A child is a person who can't understand why someone would give away a perfectly good kitten. Doug Larson Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org

Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
message, as quoted in the Christopher Report, 7/91 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgpS2QlPy6dya.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. Can you demonstrate that with an example, please? As far as I can tell, this is very wrong, or at best shows a misunderstanding of the proposal. manoj -- There... I've run rings 'round you logically Monty Python's Flying Circus Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-06-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Formula for Failure: There are only two kinds of people who fail: those who listen to nobody... and those who listen to everybody. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-06-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
there was no formal amendment to vote upon. manoj -- Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art. Mencken [Having the facts is hard. --ed] Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proot SSD voting methodsGR

2003-06-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
of one who has confessed a lack of understanding of the issue. manoj -- Dyslexics have more fnu. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B

Final call for votes for the Condorcet/Cloneproof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- Delusions are often functional. A mother's opinions about her children's beauty, intelligence, goodness, et cetera ad nauseam, keep her from drowning them at birth. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R

Re: Final call for votes for the Condorcet/Cloneproof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:02:57 -0400, Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj == Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Manoj Hi, In a little under 24 hours from now, at the time of Manoj writing, the polls shall close for the voting GR. The quorum Manoj has already been met, if you

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proot SSD voting methodsGR

2003-06-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
to actually vote on this issue. manoj -- A motivational sign at work: The beatings will continue until morale improves. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proot SSD voting methodsGR

2003-06-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Heller Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: structure

2003-06-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
charset? I think it is a random ascii string (32 char string, I think). manoj -- Live and learn... Die and forget it all. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C

Re: List of all votes cast in recent amendment?

2003-06-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
on http://www.debian.org/vote/ Note that the consttution does not mandate that the list of votes be posted to any specific mailing list. manoj -- I've noticed several design suggestions in your code. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R

Re: List of all votes cast in recent amendment?

2003-07-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:48:09 +0200, Jochen Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hello, On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:29:42PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:50:22 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Under the Debian Constitution, section 4.2(3), after the vote

Re: voting software...

2003-07-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, but very often talking too much. Jean de la Bruyere Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-08-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
: What's Dr. Presume's full name? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgpDs5TACZiMx.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-08-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, the wise walk on free from longing, and leaving all suffering behind. 347 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-08-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
for this proposal. -- Inquiry is fatal to certainty. Will Durant Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgpw8oGTgd3m7.pgp Description

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
in computer slang: normalization of data.) -- Economists are still trying to figure out why the girls with the least principle draw the most interest. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
in computer slang: normalization of data.) -- Economists are still trying to figure out why the girls with the least principle draw the most interest. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi guys, This is the way I count it at the moment My original Proposal: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron M. Ucko) My proposal with a patch: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
from computers, buildings, or automobiles, where repeated elements abound. Fred Brooks, Jr. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:52:13 -0400, Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:59:31PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of this changed wording

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
that goes on the ballot. manoj -- The privilege of absurdity; to which no living creature is subject but man only. -- Thomas Hobbs Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
philosophy any longer. manoj -- Idiot, n.: A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling. Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
historical happenstance; I interpreted the include to mean include in Debian. I guess either interpretation is convincing. manoj -- The main problem I have with cats is, they're not dogs. Kevin Cowherd Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
for the Union's valiant representation in the courts of the constitutional rights of people of all persuasions, no matter how unpopular or even despised by the majority they were at the time. former Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta

Debian and the GNU Free documentation license

2003-09-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
page Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Discussion period starts for the Constitutional amendment

2003-09-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Suffield for collating this information. Each proposal needs at least 5 seconds. Here are the proposals, listed in chronological order. Proposal A: Proposed by: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200309/msg00047.html Seconds: 1 Andrew

Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
the Debian Social Contract the opportunity of a 25% minority veto, but not wish to extend this to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. == -- If there was any justice in the world, trust would be a four-letter word. Manoj

Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Social Contract the opportunity of a 25% minority veto, but not wish to extend this to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. == -- Actors will happen even in the best-regulated families. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:51:09 +0100, Jochen Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hello, On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 11:36:12PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [ ] Choice 1: Proposal A [ ] Choice 2: Proposal B [ ] Choice 3

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:13:05 + (UTC), Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 2003-10-13, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:25:12 +0100, Jochen Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:04:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Discussion choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the Further Discussion

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
done today. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, instructive and truthful speech, criticising no-one - that is what I call a brahmin. 408 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

The public key for the Section 4.1.5 GR vote

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
- -- The most costly of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind. H.L. Mencken Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:44:28 +0100, Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:15, Manoj Srivastava wrote: your ballot; the voting mechanism shall not be able to decrypt your message. I'm no native speaker of english, but that shall seems strange to me. Maybe

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:08:27 -0400, Aaron M Ucko [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have a couple of typographical nits: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ ] Choice 1: Proposal A [3:1 super majority needed] [...] these proposals require a 3:1 super-majority in order to pass

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:39:24 -0400, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: Will implies a wish as well. You think Devotee can have wishes, but not intents? You should probably learn about the concept of anthropomorphism. The rock will fall at 9.8 m/s/s. You'd claim

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
/Linux) pub 1024D/D49177F9 2003-10-13 The Section 4.15 Constitutional Amendment GR key (This is a temporary, insecure key to be used for a single vote only) [EMAIL PROTECTED] sigD49177F9 2003-10-13 [selfsig] sigBF24424C 2003-10-13 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] sub 1024g

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:42:32 +0100, Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 23:02, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:44:28 +0100, Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk said: Nevertheless, that use of shall is so strange that I had to read the sentence twice

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:09:47 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what is the difference between a 3:1 majority and a 3:1 super majority? If there is no difference, why can't the terms be used interchangeably? Using two

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. manoj -- Have you got a 27 B stroke 6? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:01:54 +0100, Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk said: On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 09:08, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Manoj, you say you were taught English - I infer that it is not your native language. It is mine. Furthermore, my father taught English and I was at a good

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:06:52 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:09:47 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
are, by nature). I somehow doubt that people won't replace shall with will; or that some how He shall not is construed as He may by my fellow non-native speaker. manoj -- All bridge hands are equally likely, but some are more equally likely than others. Alan Truscott Manoj Srivastava

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:13:21 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 04:53:48AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:06:52 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14

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