Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 10:41:13PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Raul Miller wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 08:30:33PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: case in point: as we add more voters that actively vote _against_ a proposal, we can cause an option to ``fail to meet quorum.''

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-11 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 08:30:33PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: case in point: as we add more voters that actively vote _against_ a proposal, we can cause an option to ``fail to meet quorum.'' This is completely false. -- Raul

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:30:33 -0700, John H Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: case in point: as we add more voters that actively vote _against_ a proposal, we can cause an option to ``fail to meet quorum.'' that goes against every applicable definition of quorum that i can come across.

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 10:41:13PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Raul Miller wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 08:30:33PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: case in point: as we add more voters that actively vote _against_ a proposal, we can cause an option to ``fail to meet quorum.''

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:59:14PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 01:03:39AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: As an aside, where is the constituition located on www.d.o, http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution and why doesn't the search engine find any references to

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-11 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 01:03:39AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: why doesn't the search engine find any references to [the constitution] at all? Please file a bug... (Note that the first match on the site map for constitution works.) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-11 Thread Buddha Buck
Hamish Moffatt wrote: For the benefit of the average non-voting-geek Debian developer, could the proponents of this amendment please explain what problem it attempts to solve, with real life examples? The main problem is that the existing voting system as described in the Debian Constitution

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 09:37:22PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi,, This is the second call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR. Apparently, the first call did not make it to d-d-a. For the benefit of the average non-voting-geek Debian developer, could

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-10 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello, On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 01:03:39AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: For the benefit of the average non-voting-geek Debian developer, could the proponents of this amendment please explain what problem it attempts to solve, with real life examples? An explanation of why we need such a

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 01:03:39AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: As an aside, where is the constituition located on www.d.o, http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution and why doesn't the search engine find any references to it at all? ...can't help you with that one. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-10 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Raul Miller wrote: And, finally, the new voting system is (for the most part) compatible with the intent of the existing voting system. It supports supermajority (which makes changing the constitution hard), and it supports quorum (which means very low participation can invalidate the

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 09:37:22PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi,, This is the second call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR. Apparently, the first call did not make it to d-d-a. For the benefit of the average non-voting-geek Debian developer, could

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-10 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello, On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 01:03:39AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: For the benefit of the average non-voting-geek Debian developer, could the proponents of this amendment please explain what problem it attempts to solve, with real life examples? An explanation of why we need such a

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 01:03:39AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: As an aside, where is the constituition located on www.d.o, http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution and why doesn't the search engine find any references to it at all? ...can't help you with that one. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-10 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 01:03:39AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: For the benefit of the average non-voting-geek Debian developer, could the proponents of this amendment please explain what problem it attempts to solve, with real life examples? An explanation of why we need such a complicated

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-10 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Raul Miller wrote: And, finally, the new voting system is (for the most part) compatible with the intent of the existing voting system. It supports supermajority (which makes changing the constitution hard), and it supports quorum (which means very low participation can invalidate the

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-08 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello Manoj, On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 09:37:22PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: To vote no, no matter what rank None Of The Above as more ^^ desirable than the unacceptable choices, ... [ ] Choice 1: Clone Proof SSD Condorcet Amendment [

Re: Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-08 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello Manoj, On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 09:37:22PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: To vote no, no matter what rank None Of The Above as more ^^ desirable than the unacceptable choices, ... [ ] Choice 1: Clone Proof SSD Condorcet Amendment [

Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-08 Thread Neil Roeth
for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR. Apparently, the first call did not make it to d-d-a. == Votes must be received by 23:59:59, Friday, June 20th, 2003 This vote is being conducted in accordance

Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,, This is the second call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR. Apparently, the first call did not make it to d-d-a. == Votes must be received by 23:59:59, Friday, June 20th, 2003

Call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR

2003-06-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,, This is the second call for votes for the Condorcet/Clone proof SSD voting methods GR. Apparently, the first call did not make it to d-d-a. == Votes must be received by 23:59:59, Friday, June 20th, 2003