Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what is the difference between a 3:1 majority and a 3:1 super majority? If there is no difference, why can't the terms be used interchangeably? Using two different technical terms makes it seem like there is a distinction. Also,

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:09:47 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what is the difference between a 3:1 majority and a 3:1 super majority? If there is no difference, why can't the terms be used interchangeably? Using two

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:09:47 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what is the difference between a 3:1 majority and a 3:1 super majority? If there is no

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:06:52 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:09:47 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what is the

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:37:59PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I believe the juxtaposition is more than mere happenstance, but that nevertheless the two documents are easily separable, are almost invariably discussed as separate units within the project, and that they serve distinct

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 04:53:48AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:06:52 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:09:47 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:13:21 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 04:53:48AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:06:52 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-10-14, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --=-+Y+8urcJMKE7MvxkX+xD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what is the difference between a 3:1 majority and a 3:1

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tuesday, Oct 14, 2003, at 12:37 US/Eastern, Dylan Thurston wrote: But surely, (a) this is not a big deal, and (b) it's rather late to fix this? as for a, yes -- it's no big deal. As for b, the call for votes hasn't gone out, so I guess it could be fixed. Probably not worth the effort,

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Here is the current incarnation. manoj ## Votes must be received by Tue, Oct 28 23:59:59 UTC 2003. The following ballot is for voting on a General Resolution to amend the Debian Constitution to

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:09:47 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what is the difference between a 3:1 majority and a 3:1 super majority? If there is no difference, why can't the terms be used interchangeably? Using two

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:09:47 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what is the difference between a 3:1 majority and a 3:1 super majority? If there is

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:06:52 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:09:47 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what is the

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:37:59PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I believe the juxtaposition is more than mere happenstance, but that nevertheless the two documents are easily separable, are almost invariably discussed as separate units within the project, and that they serve distinct

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 04:53:48AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:06:52 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:09:47 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:13:21 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 04:53:48AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:06:52 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 14

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tuesday, Oct 14, 2003, at 05:53 US/Eastern, Manoj Srivastava wrote: As i understand it, a majority is 50% +1, while anything else is a super-majority. There is no such thing as a 75% majority or a 60% majority. These are super-majorities, since they are clearly more than a majority.

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-10-14, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --=-+Y+8urcJMKE7MvxkX+xD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: And what is the difference between a 3:1 majority and a 3:1

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:36:57 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tuesday, Oct 14, 2003, at 05:53 US/Eastern, Manoj Srivastava wrote: As i understand it, a majority is 50% +1, while anything else is a super-majority. There is no such thing as a 75% majority or a 60%

Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi guys, Many thanks to the people who provided feedback. Here is another _draft_ which incorporates the suggested improvements. manoj ## Votes must be received by Tue, Oct 28 23:59:59 UTC 2003. This

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C: Clarifies status of non-technical documents. Creates Foundation Documents class which requires 3:1 majority to change and includes _only_ the

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:59:13 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C: Clarifies status of non-technical documents. Creates Foundation

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-10-13, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C: Clarifies status of non-technical documents. Creates Foundation Documents class which

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:59:13 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C:

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: There are definitely two camps about this. One camp, whose views I subscribe to, believes that the juxtaposition is mere happenstance; and that when the social contract talks about us including a definition of what is

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 06:27:16PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: == It occurs to me that there are some people who may wish to afford the Debian Social

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:13:05 + (UTC), Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 2003-10-13, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C: Clarifies

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Yet another update for the ballot. I've corrected run on sentences, removed a me from the rationale, added clarifications in the rationale that the proposal intends the DFSG and the SC to be considered distinct works. manoj

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:37:59PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: There are definitely two camps about this. One camp, whose views I subscribe to, believes that the juxtaposition is mere happenstance; and that when the

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Joe Nahmias
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Yet another update for the ballot. conducted in accordance with the policy delinated in Section A, Standard s/delinated/delineated/ Other than that, looks good. Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:43:04 -0400 (EDT), Joe Nahmias [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: Yet another update for the ballot. conducted in accordance with the policy delinated in Section A, Standard s/delinated/delineated/ Fixed now. manoj -- And so it

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:08:27 -0400, Aaron M Ucko [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have a couple of typographical nits: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ ] Choice 1: Proposal A [3:1 super majority needed] [...] these proposals require a 3:1 super-majority in order to pass (as they

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Here is the current incarnation. manoj ## Votes must be received by Tue, Oct 28 23:59:59 UTC 2003. The following ballot is for voting on a General Resolution to amend the Debian Constitution to

Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi guys, Many thanks to the people who provided feedback. Here is another _draft_ which incorporates the suggested improvements. manoj ## Votes must be received by Tue, Oct 28 23:59:59 UTC 2003. This

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: == 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election 4.1. Powers Together, the Developers may: 1. Appoint or recall the Project

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-10-13, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C: Clarifies status of non-technical documents. Creates Foundation Documents class which

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:59:13 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C:

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: There are definitely two camps about this. One camp, whose views I subscribe to, believes that the juxtaposition is mere happenstance; and that when the social contract talks about us including a definition of what is

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 06:27:16PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: == It occurs to me that there are some people who may wish to afford the Debian Social

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:13:05 + (UTC), Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 2003-10-13, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:03:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: __ Proposal C:

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Yet another update for the ballot. I've corrected run on sentences, removed a me from the rationale, added clarifications in the rationale that the proposal intends the DFSG and the SC to be considered distinct works. manoj

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:37:59PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: There are definitely two camps about this. One camp, whose views I subscribe to, believes that the juxtaposition is mere happenstance; and that when the

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Joe Nahmias
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Yet another update for the ballot. conducted in accordance with the policy delinated in Section A, Standard s/delinated/delineated/ Other than that, looks good. Joe

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
I have a couple of typographical nits: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: equally (as long as all choices X you make fall in the range 1= X = 4). Please space the inequality evenly (which may require moving it to the next line). Alternatively, you could substitute [1, 4]. [ ]

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:08:27 -0400, Aaron M Ucko [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have a couple of typographical nits: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ ] Choice 1: Proposal A [3:1 super majority needed] [...] these proposals require a 3:1 super-majority in order to pass (as they