Re: Updating w.d.o/{intro/organization#distribution,ports/}
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 07:02:27PM -0400, David Prévot wrote: The ports and ports-like part of our organization page [1] might be pretty outdated on the members side. Could you please confirm that the members list of your team is still accurate, or provide an updated list. Without any answer within a week, I'll drop the members name from this page, but will keep the name of the port and a link to the mailing list as main contact point. If you answer after a week, I'll also be happy to update the page afterwards. http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/intro/organization.data?r1=1.428r2=1.429 Since Jurij Smakov regularly responds to sparc-related queries on debian-sparc these days, I think it would be fair to keep his name there :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120417135424.ga15...@entuzijast.net
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Re: mirror.debian.org
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 06:29:41PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: I chowned the entire directory to archvsync:mirroradm. there is an orig-ownership if you are curiuous. there also is an orig-cron from the debwww crontab that mirroradm needs to run now - I didn't do that, please add it yourself. Great. Josip, the dns stuff cronjob should probably also be moved to archvsync's crontab. Yep, sounds good. There we go. I've moved the debwww-originating cron jobs in, and also the dns/update.sh too (which seems to have required ~/.cvspass too). The DNS update key is still named after my account - if you want to rename it, just send over a new one and we'll replace it. -- Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mirror.debian.org
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:32:03AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Heya, any objections if /org/mirror.debian.org on klecker is changed to allow mirroradm people to deal with it? (Ie. moved over to our group account, files and cronjob). It's meant for the mirror people anyway, and now uses outdated old code that doesn't work anymore with some changes we mirror people did lately. And I would like to fix that, and possible future things too. Alternatively, if you want to keep it owned by debwww - can I get into the debwww group? Whatever you prefer, I just want to be able to fix it :) (Sorry for being so tardy in replying, real life sucks...) I previously noticed the same thing, and just now again as a comment in the last ticket that (remotely) dealt with the issue :) Let me repeat for the record: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 01:43:25PM +, Josip Rodin via RT wrote: https://rt.debian.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=840 This is a comment. It is not sent to the Requestor(s): On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 02:40:57PM +0100, joy wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:20:29PM +, Josip Rodin via RT wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:08:30AM +, Peter Palfrader via RT wrote: Is it ok with you Joy, if I do this [allow archvsync user to do mirroradm cron jobs]? I'm okay with it, provided that it means that we can freely archvsync crontab with other similar jobs :) Nobody ACK'ed this explicitly, I'll assume that it's okay. alfie just asked me to move debwww:debwww-owned mirror stuff on klecker to archvsync:mirroradm, and I always intended to do that. In related news, we need an administrator to change file ownerships for that, so somebody please go to klecker and do: sudo find /org/mirror.debian.org -user debwww | xargs sudo chown archvsync sudo find /org/mirror.debian.org -group debwww | xargs sudo chgrp mirroradm Then the cron jobs can be moved, too. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501954: use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:05:57PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:50:29AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: wiki.debian.org Severity: wishlist I hereby propose wiki.debian.org be moved from MoinMoin to the popular MediaWiki software. I expect this proposal to sit here for several years slowly gaining supporters (so please don't just stamp it wontfix, etc.) By that time there will be even more programs available to do the conversion than now. There is a page on the Wiki where others (including me) already brought this up, please find it and link it (or maybe better to paste it). Mentioning only popular as the argument for MediaWiki does not do it justice, in fact maybe even the opposite... In the interest of fairness, I looked it up myself, and found it pretty quickly at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWebsiteDiscussion Mediawiki? I'm really ashamed to bring this up, but maybe Debian could consider a change to MediaWiki? I guess I'll get flamed for this, but I actually think it's a much nicer interface (eye candy and usage-wise). If you compare with e.g., the Gentoo wiki, the Gentoo wiki has a much higher activity than the Debian wiki has, and I think the userbase does not explain this (I'd expect Debian to be just as large). Very sorry to bring this up, be gentle with the flaming of me now! Answer wiki.debian.org is a 4 months old wiki started after the DSA volunteered to host an official Debian wiki instead of having Michael Ivey host wiki.debian.net using Kwiki. The switch to Moin happened at the same time. When the wiki was still run with Kwiki, I think I was the most insistent person to request a move to MediaWiki. Kwiki is a really poor engine, so migrating to Moin already improved things more than they would be improved now by switching to MediaWiki. When the migration occured, Moin was in a little bit better position to be used by DSA than MediaWiki, Moin was in Debian since a long time while MediaWiki was only ITP-ed. When the migration was complete though, MediaWiki was already in Sid, so it must not have been a big factor for the DSA. My guess is that the DSA chose Moin since it's in Python while MediaWiki is in PHP (I don't see anything else explaining why an engine so clearly inferior to MediaWiki in terms of usability would have been chosen). If you still think that moving to MediaWiki is worth it and there is a chance that DSA agrees and implements that, there are other pages about migrating to MediaWiki (e.g. HelpMoveDebianWikiToMediaWiki or DebianWiki/Engine) where this discussion should be more appropriate. This page can probably be deleted. small note to wikis moinmoin seems currently (2007) the most feature rich and flexible wiki technology available, and it will stay so for some time. its biggest advantage is the graphical editor, but also its simpler wiki syntax and theming make it much easier to use for a beginner. from an administration point of view it is also much simpler. just try to get personal moin run on your pc in 5 min and synchronize with a real moin on the web which has wiki sync enabled. -- ThurnerRupert 2007-06-13 07:35:13 software This Wiki software that we're using right now, and/or the way it is set up, is just horribly unfriendly compared to MediaWiki. I admit I could be biased, having made tens of thousands of edits on Wikipedia under MediaWiki, but other than a gazillion functional user interfaces fixes that it could greatly benefit from, it could also benefit from mediawiki stuff such as namespaces, slashes in URLs, no CamelCase (ugh), categorization that is distinct from the rest of the pages, or Special:Whatlinkshere (list of links to the page), or edit links on sections... heck, this discussion page as such seems strange to me, with people using subsections for responses rather than indentation... --Joy I should also mention - this thing doesn't allow me to remember my login credentials in the browser. While this could be considered a security feature, and is probably possible to work around using greasemonkey or whatever, it's also really annoying :) --Joy Another thing is that we don't seem to have administrator users here. I don't know if this is the fault of our current installation (maybe we just don't have a way of listing them? :) or a generic problem, but MediaWiki has that, and admins are able to ban spammers etc. --Joy -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject
Bug#501954: use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:50:29AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: wiki.debian.org Severity: wishlist I hereby propose wiki.debian.org be moved from MoinMoin to the popular MediaWiki software. I expect this proposal to sit here for several years slowly gaining supporters (so please don't just stamp it wontfix, etc.) By that time there will be even more programs available to do the conversion than now. There is a page on the Wiki where others (including me) already brought this up, please find it and link it (or maybe better to paste it). Mentioning only popular as the argument for MediaWiki does not do it justice, in fact maybe even the opposite... -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TODO list page obsolete?
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 10:41:26PM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: I saw that http://www.debian.org/devel/todo/ is largely obsolete: the most recent change among the items/ is dated 2006. I wonder if this type of contents should be reviewed and merged on the wiki at http://wiki.debian.org/HelpDebian and the whole section removed. I think that the wiki is much more appropriate for maintainance of a TODO list. *Anything* is more appropriate for maintenance of a TODO list than that file :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TODO list page obsolete?
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 09:38:21AM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: And talking about the wiki, I also think that some *selected* topics should be moved to the wiki and linked by the website. The level of integration among the website and the wiki is generally quite low currently, which is a non sense to me. I can't help but think that if they were not so technically dissonant, something could be done about this. All the wml concepts are restricted to one web site, all the wiki concepts are restricted to the other. When that is so, copying and/or linking content just doesn't make much sense to people, even though few would complain to the general idea. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make problem
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:55:53PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Josip Rodin wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:25:50PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: make: Nothing to be done for `index.hr.html'. What am I missing? Not sure, but if you first do 'make -C ./po', I think it will work. Oh. It would make sense if this was somehow included in the dependencies, surely? It is, but I'm not sure if it works for individual files. I was strolling through the list archive and noticed this unfinished thread... I should probably mention that this should be fixed nowadays. http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/Makefile.common?r1=1.95r2=1.96diff_format=h If anyone notices any problems, please shout. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Left menu not translated on www.debian.org/CD/
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 07:22:44PM +0200, Hans F. Nordhaug wrote: The (left) menu on http://www.debian.org/CD/ is based on the po file po/cdimage.xx.po AFAICT. However, only the first line Debian on CD is translated even if the po files are completely translated. What's going on? (I tested several languages.) Hmm, might be a regression from my latest edits, I'll check into it. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Left menu not translated on www.debian.org/CD/
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48:36PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: The (left) menu on http://www.debian.org/CD/ is based on the po file po/cdimage.xx.po AFAICT. However, only the first line Debian on CD is translated even if the po files are completely translated. What's going on? (I tested several languages.) Hmm, might be a regression from my latest edits, I'll check into it. OK, it's fixed now, it was a trivial error on my part, sorry about that. (Apparently we not only have to tag every string with a gettext domain, but we also have to bind-gettext-domain to the same domain for everything to work. It's a bit redundant, but oh well, at least it's centralized.) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broken Documentation Link
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 11:53:37PM -0500, Robert Stryk wrote: At www.debian.org/doc the link to the Reference Card is broken. Apparently we're linking to http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ from the main documentation page. WTF? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Add contact info for buildd maintainers
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 02:44:41AM -0500, Steven Robbins wrote: Somewhere on http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ there needs to be info about contacting the buildd admins. I eventually found it buried (on http://www.debian.org/intro/organization): Buildd Administration -- The admins responsible for buildd's for a particular arch can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED], for example [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Names of individual buildd's admins can also be found on http://www.buildd.net. Choose an architecture and a distribution to see the available buildd's and their admins. I've added the same info to the /devel/buildd page now, thanks for the report. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broken links
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:35:39AM +0100, Steve Gane wrote: On the page for each package, there is a link Debian Changelog. I often find these links broken. For example,the link on http://packages.debian.org/etch/openssh-server gives a 404. Hrm, I thought this was another one of those transient issues, but right now http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/ is missing as well. Frank? (If I wasn't explicitly barred from accessing the machine by DSA, I could have a look myself, but no, it's better to have a single point of failure...) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broken Documentation Link
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 04:16:10PM +0200, W. Martin Borgert wrote: On 2008-09-22 14:48, Josip Rodin wrote: Apparently we're linking to http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ from the main documentation page. WTF? Matt Kraai wrote on 2005-02-26 on this list, that he put the link there. The new address is http://xinocat.com/refcard/ btw. Ohh, so it's in DDP Subversion, we just don't link to the official build. I'll tend to that. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Add contact info for buildd maintainers
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:49:09PM -0500, Steve M. Robbins wrote: Buildd Administration -- The admins responsible for buildd's for a particular arch can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED], for example [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Names of individual buildd's admins can also be found on http://www.buildd.net. Choose an architecture and a distribution to see the available buildd's and their admins. I've added the same info to the /devel/buildd page now, thanks for the report. Awesome, thanks for this! One remaining problem is that it doesn't render properly :-(. Here's what I see in Firefox (on Windows XP); note the missing information in the second paragraph: Sorry, I missed that one custom tag for displaying mail addresses. (We should probably fix that in intro/organization.data, too...) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /CD/vendors/ sorting issue
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:44:50PM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2008 -o UNDEFuEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] index.wml mp4h: CD/DVD Vendor entries not sorted - 'openIdeas' should appear before 'www.isos-linux.com.ar' in the list! Hmm, I didn't know we checked for that. I renamed the vendor but didn't move them. Did you shift them or you want me to do it? I had no idea we could make mp4h print out such pretty error messages :) please move it, I didn't touch it. Sorry about the trouble! - I put in the check because the list always used to be somewhat-but-not-actually-fully-sorted, and I wanted to keep it sorted. Oh, don't get me wrong, they're cool, just as long as we're all on the same page :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/CD/vendors/ sorting issue
Something went wrong(TM): make[3]: Entering directory `/org/www.debian.org/webwml/english/CD/vendors' wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2008 -o UNDEFuEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] index.wml mp4h: CD/DVD Vendor entries not sorted - 'openIdeas' should appear before 'www.isos-linux.com.ar' in the list! ** WML:Break: Error in Pass 2 (rc=1). make[3]: *** [index.en.html] Error 1 -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /CD/vendors/ sorting issue
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:46:24AM +1000, Craig Small wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 03:18:53AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2008 -o UNDEFuEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] index.wml mp4h: CD/DVD Vendor entries not sorted - 'openIdeas' should appear before 'www.isos-linux.com.ar' in the list! Hmm, I didn't know we checked for that. I renamed the vendor but didn't move them. Did you shift them or you want me to do it? I had no idea we could make mp4h print out such pretty error messages :) please move it, I didn't touch it. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webwml in git?
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 01:16:34PM +0100, Peter Krefting wrote: The problem is handling the translation revision tracking, as Git does not have any numerical revision numbers. It can of course be solved, but it might be a bit more inconvenient for translators since it most likely will need to work with the big SHA-1 hashes. This is a show-stopper, really... We can get people to sacrifice a few more hundreds of gigabytes of disk for translation purposes, but we can't sacrifice the basic userfriendliness of the workflow - disk space is much cheaper than human time. We already have various hurdles people need to jump, introducing more for the sake of a bunch of advanced features that will be seldom used (or at least I haven't seen suggestions to the contrary...?) doesn't strike me as a particularly good idea. Now, forcing people to compare a bunch of of hashes just to be able to keep up, is a net loss. But if that change is coupled with the introduction of tools that automate the process of keeping up in a user-friendly way... :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: script updates
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:48:45AM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: As a first preparation for a possible move of the webwml repository to subversion or git, I have started to rewrite the perl scripts. I'm abstracting all VCS-related actions into a separate perl module, so that it will (hopefully) be easy to change whatever backend we use. How do you intend to resolve the matter of tracking versions, what was in CVS the process of incrementing the file revision numerically? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Re: [PATCH] Adding coordination pages to the web site po-debconf l10n statistics
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 08:22:27PM +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: So the files are already present on www-master at the expected place $webtopdir/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/$status_file ? It looks like it: -rw-rw-r-- 1 debwww debwww 5739 2008-09-18 14:12 www/cron/datafiles/status.ar -rw-rw-r-- 1 debwww debwww 42898 2008-09-18 14:12 www/cron/datafiles/status.ca -rw-rw-r-- 1 debwww debwww 3777 2008-09-18 14:12 www/cron/datafiles/status.de -rw-rw-r-- 1 debwww debwww 2131 2008-09-18 14:12 www/cron/datafiles/status.en -rw-rw-r-- 1 debwww debwww 76684 2008-09-18 14:12 www/cron/datafiles/status.es -rw-rw-r-- 1 debwww debwww 47250 2008-09-18 14:12 www/cron/datafiles/status.fr -rw-rw-r-- 1 debwww debwww 18112 2008-09-18 03:25 www/cron/datafiles/status.nmu -rw-rw-r-- 1 debwww debwww 9393 2008-09-18 14:12 www/cron/datafiles/status.pt_BR -rw-rw-r-- 1 debwww debwww 2467 2008-09-18 14:12 www/cron/datafiles/status.ro lrwxrwxrwx 1 debwww webwml44 2008-09-18 14:52 www/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/status.ar - /org/www.debian.org/cron/datafiles/status.ar lrwxrwxrwx 1 debwww webwml44 2008-09-18 14:52 www/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/status.ca - /org/www.debian.org/cron/datafiles/status.ca lrwxrwxrwx 1 debwww webwml44 2008-09-18 14:52 www/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/status.de - /org/www.debian.org/cron/datafiles/status.de lrwxrwxrwx 1 debwww webwml44 2008-09-18 14:52 www/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/status.en - /org/www.debian.org/cron/datafiles/status.en lrwxrwxrwx 1 debwww webwml44 2008-09-18 14:52 www/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/status.es - /org/www.debian.org/cron/datafiles/status.es lrwxrwxrwx 1 debwww webwml44 2008-09-18 14:52 www/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/status.fr - /org/www.debian.org/cron/datafiles/status.fr lrwxrwxrwx 1 debwww webwml45 2008-09-18 14:52 www/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/status.nmu - /org/www.debian.org/cron/datafiles/status.nmu lrwxrwxrwx 1 debwww webwml47 2008-09-18 14:52 www/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/status.pt_BR - /org/www.debian.org/cron/datafiles/status.pt_BR lrwxrwxrwx 1 debwww webwml44 2008-09-18 14:52 www/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/status.ro - /org/www.debian.org/cron/datafiles/status.ro -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webwml in git?
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:50:06PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: The problem is handling the translation revision tracking, as Git does not have any numerical revision numbers. It can of course be solved, but it might be a bit more inconvenient for translators since it most likely will need to work with the big SHA-1 hashes. This is a show-stopper, really... We can get people to sacrifice a few more hundreds of gigabytes of disk for translation purposes, but we can't sacrifice the basic userfriendliness of the workflow - disk space is much cheaper than human time. We already have various hurdles people need to jump, introducing more for the sake of a bunch of advanced features that will be seldom used (or at least I haven't seen suggestions to the contrary...?) doesn't strike me as a particularly good idea. Now, forcing people to compare a bunch of of hashes just to be able to keep up, is a net loss. But if that change is coupled with the introduction of tools that automate the process of keeping up in a user-friendly way... :) You mean things like tagging each master commits automatically with hook script with something like: auto-MMDD-HHMMSS. Then translator can embed this into translation just as CVS version thingy. Now that would be a real improvement! It would make life much easier if the scripts would not just show a bland missing update from 1.34 to 1.36, but instead instantly state the time difference and indicate if there are any custom tags such as, oh, complete-rewrite-3 or english-wording-67. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by bertol: webwml/french/vote/2008 suppl_001_stats.wml su ...
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:14:17AM -0600, Debian WWW CVS wrote: CVSROOT: /cvs/webwml Module name: webwml Changes by: bertol 08/08/31 08:14:17 Added files: french/vote/2008: suppl_001_stats.wml suppl_001_stats_detailed.wml vote_001.wml vote_001_index.src vote_001_majority.src vote_001_quorum.src vote_001_results.src Log message: Initial translation [ Nicolas bertolissio ] Apparently this doesn't build, it lacks vote_001_quorum.txt. I've no idea if this is supposed to be rational or not, but make gave an error... -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: check_trans.pl - recursion and robot
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 08:57:40AM +0200, Hans F. Nordhaug wrote: 2) Why doesn't check_trans.pl work recursively? How do you mean it doesn't? It doesn't traverse subdiretories. [...] If I then want to know the status for any of the other folders check_trans.pl doesn't do it automatically - I have to call it for each subdirectory: # ./check_trans.pl # ./check_trans.pl -s intro Missing norwegian/intro/about.wml version 1.60 Missing norwegian/intro/cn.wml version 1.78 Missing norwegian/intro/free.wml version 1.19 [...] It works fine for me... can you post the output of './check_trans.pl -v -g' on your system? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Translated page using English header
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:50:25AM +0200, Hans F. Nordhaug wrote: I have seasrched the mailing list but couldn't find anything. I have recently updated http://www.debian.org/international/Norwegian.no.html but the headers is in English even if po/templates.no.po is completely translated. Why? How to fix it? This is the 'no' vs. 'nb' issue catching up with us, gettext relies on the systemwide locales, and there isn't one for no any more, so it reverts back to C for strings. I'll go do the rename now. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Translated page using English header
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:58:15AM +0200, Hans F. Nordhaug wrote: I have seasrched the mailing list but couldn't find anything. I have recently updated http://www.debian.org/international/Norwegian.no.html but the headers is in English even if po/templates.no.po is completely translated. Why? How to fix it? This is the 'no' vs. 'nb' issue catching up with us, gettext relies on the systemwide locales, and there isn't one for no any more, so it reverts back to C for strings. I'll go do the rename now. Thanks for nailing it, and fixing it soon. It should be committed now (it wasn't all that much work). I still have to figure out the best way to replace old *.no.html files with symlinks to *.nb.html, but that's secondary to you being able to continue work on the translation for users (with proper locale settings) to see. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Translated page using English header
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:00:12AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: I still have to figure out the best way to replace old *.no.html files with symlinks to *.nb.html, but that's secondary to you being able to continue work on the translation for users (with proper locale settings) to see. OK, now this is done too - we had previously had it done in the other direction, so it was easy to replace. (I'm still a bit unhappy about it being a special case in Makefile.common, but that's better than having to copypaste everything to norwegian/Make.lang... There must be some reason we never converted all our %. rules to use :: so that we can randomly tack on rules. If it was possible, it would help several other languages.) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: check_trans.pl - recursion and robot
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 01:12:54PM +0200, Hans F. Nordhaug wrote: 1) On http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating a robot is mentioned that runs check_trans.pl - is this correct or do I have to set up a cron job mysef. No need to run it yourself: http://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/no.html I'm aware of that page, but thanks. I expected the robot to send me an e-mail since I gave my address in translator.db.pl... However, it's not a big issue - I can just add it as a cron job on my own machine. ISTR each translation having its own. We could probably unify that on www-master, though. PS! Norwegian has just switched to using the correct code (nb) in CVS. Will the stats script detect that automatically. Yes, they all use the same data. We actually have Perl modules that dive into ePerl code in WML templates and fetch the current language lists (as well as other things) so such variables are only ever hardcoded once. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: check_trans.pl - recursion and robot
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:56:04AM +0200, Hans F. Nordhaug wrote: 2) Why doesn't check_trans.pl work recursively? How do you mean it doesn't? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
marking events as past
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 04:20:26AM -0600, Debian WWW CVS wrote: CVSROOT: /cvs/webwml Module name: webwml Changes by: joey08/08/27 04:20:26 Modified files: english/events/2008: 0823-froscon.wml Log message: This event is past now We should be able to avoid these wml::debian::event - wml::debian::past_event manual changes with a simple date check in a stub template file...? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
doc/books handling
Hi, Is it time already to split entries from books.wml into separate files? There's 19 of them nowadays... -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: release.wml lack of gettext and wml pass 2
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 06:42:31PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
I'll convert the new text to po tags, because otherwise that's a
whole lot of HTML copypasting for translators to do, it's
unnecessarily error-prone.
Can you please also use gettext for
english/template/debian/release.wml?
Hmm, probably, but I'm not sure why Denis left that one unconverted, that
signals trouble.
It looks like once upon a time, I protect'ed that file from pass 2,
without leaving any explanation, but pass 2 (mp4h) would be required
to parse any gettext tags inside.
Can anyone see any reason to keep that?
Denis couldn't remember, I couldn't either, the code seems to work just fine
after the undoing.
So I converted it.
The only thing remaining is the Perl function permute_as_list() argument
that says Installation Guide or Release Notes.
I'm thinking we should replace:
ul
:= permute_as_list('', 'Installation Guide'); :
/ul
with something like this:
install_manual_arch_list
That makes it short and to the point - it's a typical (if custom) tag that
shouldn't be touched while translating.
And then do this in release.wml:
define-tag install_manual_arch_list whitespace=delete
perl:printpermute_as_list('', q{gettextInstallation
Guide/gettext});/perl:print
/define-tag
I didn't test that yet, but it sounds like it's doable. Either that way,
or using special values for the second argument and parsing them inside
the Perl function. In any case, the point is to hide the code code in
the template and expose the (translatable) text via gettext.
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Re: cvs troubles with arabic/
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 02:29:22PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/cvs/webwml/arabic/po]% cvs add legal.ar.po cvs [server aborted]: add requires write access to the repository What happened there? I rm -rf'ed the whole arabic directory in my checkout, and ran cvs update arabic again, and it works. Oh well. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bugs/index
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 08:33:13AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: I'm responsible for the translation of this page to French. But I do have some troubles with the last revision (1.70). Is that the one which eliminated the use of po tags? I've been meaning to bring that up... Don, do you understand what you did there? :) All of the po tags there are useless now, so yes, I knew that I killed them all off. I'll convert the new text to po tags, because otherwise that's a whole lot of HTML copypasting for translators to do, it's unnecessarily error-prone. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bugs/index
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 05:51:35PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: The select bugs fields are the search fields. It's probably suboptimal as far as documenting goes, so suggestions for improvements are solicited. But there is only one select bugs, so I still don't understand what is ORed or ANded. If you add one, and press return, there is suddenly more than one. I've tested it, that's a very nice fonction! Maybe some more explanation on the way it works is needed. Like Don explained in his talk/BOF about the BTS, this certainly need better documentation. Feel free to work on that as it would benefit a lot of people! :-) It should be better now: More selections can be added after the first search. If a later selection is on the same search field, the results are ORed. If it is on a different field, the results are ANDed. It's still using geek-English, but hey :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spam in templates.pot
Hi, % grep ^#: templates.pot | cut -d: -f2 | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | tail 10 ../../english/template/debian/projectnews/footer.wml 10 ../../english/template/debian/recent_list.wml 10 ../../english/template/debian/weeklynews/footer.wml 11 ../../english/template/debian/events_common.wml 16 ../../english/template/debian/wnpp.wml 18 ../../english/template/debian/legal.wml 22 ../../english/template/debian/cdimage.wml 26 ../../english/template/debian/common_translation.wml 45 ../../english/template/debian/links.tags.wml 59 ../../english/template/debian/votebar.wml I'll go create new domains/files for legal, vote and wnpp, these niche strings have no place in the most generic template file. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs troubles with arabic/
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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joy: webwml/english/po Makefile
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 08:32:34AM -0600, Debian WWW CVS wrote: CVSROOT: /cvs/webwml Module name: webwml Changes by: joy 08/08/16 08:32:34 Modified files: english/po : Makefile Log message: why try to include tc.data in templates.pot? there's just the string 'More information', and it's already in others.pot, which e.g. contact.wml depends on, and it doesn't conflict with security.pot's one...? Ah, I found the commit: Revision 1.32 Thu Nov 14 17:23:15 2002 UTC (5 years, 9 months ago) by alfie Makefile wmlxgettext.pl: Move only strings for the correct domain into the pot files, not all in the given files others.pot templates.pot: More information merged due to above fix ports.pot: Line numbers changed, no strings However, that explanation doesn't seem to be true, because: % grep 'More information' *.pot security.pot:msgid More information templates.pot:msgid More information: And the analogous is true for translated *.po files... Why wouldn't we simply change: gettext domain=securityMore information/gettext ...in template/debian/security.wml so that it uses the same domain? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bugs/index
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 07:01:08AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: I'll convert the new text to po tags, because otherwise that's a whole lot of HTML copypasting for translators to do, it's unnecessarily error-prone. Thanks! That's what I should have done at the beginning, but I blame my lack of wml experience. No problem, next time feel free to ask someone to jump in. It's done now, you can go have a look. Truth be told, it was a bit too convoluted for its own good. It used to use define-tag for each and every string, and then put the newly invented tag into the output. It was probably doing this because it was reusing a few of the strings in several places. However, that was completely unnecessary, because gettext already handles duplicated strings. Also, I think I saw it gettextizing strings like 'stable' or 'testing', which aren't actually supposed to be translated. Generally, the gettextization in WML is fairly simple once you get the hang of it - like with the C function _(), you have to wrap translatable strings into gettext /gettext. An added benefit is that the start tag can take a parameter domain=bugs, so that these strings are split into their own file (that way it's easier for translators to track which part of the web site needs updates). After a gettext string is added or updated, you can stroll over to the english/po/ directory and run something like 'make pot' or 'make gen-bugs.pot', and then 'cvs commit bugs.pot'. That allows the changes to go onwards to the translators. But others can do the same once you commit the actual changes, so it's not a priority. BTW, I also added a couple of new tags which generate the severity and tag lists from Perl code, so that it becomes a real copypaste job to update them there :) It also has the nice side-effect of relieving the translators from worrying about them. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bugs/index
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 05:25:21PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: I'm responsible for the translation of this page to French. But I do have some troubles with the last revision (1.70). Is that the one which eliminated the use of po tags? I've been meaning to bring that up... Don, do you understand what you did there? :) All of the po tags there are useless now, so yes, I knew that I killed them all off. I'll convert the new text to po tags, because otherwise that's a whole lot of HTML copypasting for translators to do, it's unnecessarily error-prone. Can you please also use gettext for english/template/debian/release.wml? Hmm, probably, but I'm not sure why Denis left that one unconverted, that signals trouble. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
release.wml lack of gettext and wml pass 2
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 06:18:36PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: I'll convert the new text to po tags, because otherwise that's a whole lot of HTML copypasting for translators to do, it's unnecessarily error-prone. Can you please also use gettext for english/template/debian/release.wml? Hmm, probably, but I'm not sure why Denis left that one unconverted, that signals trouble. It looks like once upon a time, I protect'ed that file from pass 2, without leaving any explanation, but pass 2 (mp4h) would be required to parse any gettext tags inside. Can anyone see any reason to keep that? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bugs/index
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 07:45:16PM +0200, Nicolas Bertolissio wrote: I'm responsible for the translation of this page to French. But I do have some troubles with the last revision (1.70). Is that the one which eliminated the use of po tags? I've been meaning to bring that up... Don, do you understand what you did there? :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Website Links on netinst broken
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 08:00:37PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: the file name having 40r4 in the links, and on the server the files are named 40r4a. Thanks for reporting, it should be fixed shortly. I checked for further errors and noticed that two release tags are no longer used since etch. See the attached patch. Is it OK to apply it or will this be reused later again (for lenny, ...)? Regarding if-stable-release release=sarge blocks - those cleanups are best integrated during a time when the whole release changes, so that translators aren't unnecessarily bothered. Either that or remove it from everywhere so that translators don't notice the fodder. As for current-release-dirname and current-release-filename, that actually sounds like a good idea, but it's near-useless where it is, because images.data in releases/ can't get to it - if it would #include's that, it would pull in all the design (html). And the solution to that is... separating design from data. Which is, like, the whole point of WML. D'oh! :) I'll fix it properly later unless someone beats me to it. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Website Links on netinst broken
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 06:34:17AM -0700, Jason Holland wrote: Afternoon all, On the page www.debian.org/distrib/netinst/ the links for small cd's and tiny cd's are broken. It is a simple fix luckily :) the file name having 40r4 in the links, and on the server the files are named 40r4a. Thanks for reporting, it should be fixed shortly. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stale Link: http://www.debian.org/doc/
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 10:26:14AM -0400, abel wrote: The link on this page http://www.debian.org/doc/ in the Manuals for GNU/Linux in general section : a href=http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/linux-doc-project/users-guide/; Linux Users' Guide/a is a stale link according to this: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/linux-doc-project/README which refers to tldp.org. The link could be changed to: a href=http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html;Introduction to Linux/a or the link could be deleted entirely. verification: [1] - http://www.debian.org/doc/todo Urgent TO-DO list: * Ruthless stale documentation reaping. [2] - http://www.tldp.org/guides.html Introduction to Linux - A Hands on Guide version:1.27 author: Machtelt Garrels, tille last update:Jun 2008 ISBN: 1596821124 available formats: 1. HTML (read online) Yes, but in that same page, you can find the old Linux Users' Guide listed as older / unmaintained (but still pertinent), and their link goes to the ibiblio.org location that we link. If we're going to replace the document with something else, a more qualitative explanation would be appreciated. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
webwml/chinese/releases/etch build failure
Hi, Can some of our Chinese translators please investigate this persistent failure: make[3]: Entering directory `/org/www.debian.org/webwml/chinese/releases/etch' wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2008 -o [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -o [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -o [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --prolog=../../bin/fix_big5.pl installmanual.wml * Converting: [zh_CN.GB2312], /usr/bin/iconv: illegal input sequence at position 2441 make[3]: *** [installmanual.zh-cn.html] Error 1 -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wml build logs: one with errors only ?
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:38:49PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/webwml/ that would help much to have one version of the log file only with stderr, in order to identify them easily. Everyone could do grep -B1 Stop wml_run.log after downloading the file, but it needs efforts :p There is cron/parts/999Xmonitor which sends an email with errors after each build to an email alias. If you want I can add you there. I suggest you add this list as well. Build errors are often fixed during one or two days, so getting build errors here should not matter. Only if someone fixes the security audit stuff. I've just started looking at that... it's horrible. I need to find the thread on -www where I recall someone announcing it, and do some LARTing :) OK, that seems to be fixed now, but we still got one incorrigible error in the following build - some WNPP LDAP lookup failed. Maybe a good start would be to have the script also generate a file in the build-logs directory, so that everyone can see the condensed version? Note also that this build runs every four hours (and IMO it should run even more often these days), so a simple yet recurring error would basically spam the list and have an adverse effect... -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wml build logs: one with errors only ?
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:54:19PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: On http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/webwml/ that would help much to have one version of the log file only with stderr, in order to identify them easily. Everyone could do grep -B1 Stop wml_run.log after downloading the file, but it needs efforts :p There is cron/parts/999Xmonitor which sends an email with errors after each build to an email alias. If you want I can add you there. I suggest you add this list as well. Build errors are often fixed during one or two days, so getting build errors here should not matter. Only if someone fixes the security audit stuff. I've just started looking at that... it's horrible. I need to find the thread on -www where I recall someone announcing it, and do some LARTing :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New security/audit pages not translatable
On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 10:24:09PM +, Steve Kemp wrote: On Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 14:36:12 +0100, Frans Pop wrote: Looking at the Makefile in the english directory, the problem is probably that it refers to the data dir in the current directory. But of course the translations do not have a data dir in _their_ current directory. Perhaps we could use something such as $(ENGLISHSRCDIR) / $(LANGUAGE) to make it conditional? I've just committed a fix for this. Those variables are right, although they weren't working at all out over there, because they preceded the Make.lang inclusion, which defines them. It would've helped if you had written these makefiles based on existing simple examples elsewhere in the webwml tree - but looking at security/Makefile and all its convoluted logic to build up the RSS feed files, I can see how you'd get instantly confused and misled... (Sorry for not tracking this stuff more actively...) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wml build logs: one with errors only ?
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 03:13:01AM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:41:46PM +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: On http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/webwml/ that would help much to have one version of the log file only with stderr, in order to identify them easily. Everyone could do grep -B1 Stop wml_run.log after downloading the file, but it needs efforts :p There is cron/parts/999Xmonitor which sends an email with errors after each build to an email alias. If you want I can add you there. Hrm, why didn't you tell anyone about this webwml-monitor thingy... on second thought, we probably should have let it all go via debwww mail. I've been wondering why my =www-cron mailbox is so empty :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wml build logs: one with errors only ?
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:35:16PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: Everyone could do grep -B1 Stop wml_run.log after downloading the file, but it needs efforts :p There is cron/parts/999Xmonitor which sends an email with errors after each build to an email alias. If you want I can add you there. Hrm, why didn't you tell anyone about this webwml-monitor thingy... on second thought, we probably should have let it all go via debwww mail. I've been wondering why my =www-cron mailbox is so empty :) This is Joey's creation. And at least when I joined Debian (i.e. around 2004) it was common knowledge here that it existed. Well, I have searched for webwml-monitor in my www-related mailboxes which reach back to 2001, and there isn't a single mention, so I would beg to differ :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#489027: wrong command in mail servers' reference card
On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 06:16:23PM -0300, Luciano Bello wrote:
Package: www.debian.org
Severity: minor
In the page http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-refcard says:
quit|stop|thank...|--...
'thank...' is not a command for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The line should be changed to
quit|stop|thank|thanks|thankyou|thank you|--
The three dots were actually supposed to represent a wildcard; I'm almost
certain that it meant that the regular expression was matching ^thank
I see in the code now that the expression is:
if (m/^stop\s*$/i || m/^quit\s*$/i || m/^--\s*$/ ||
m/^thank(?:s|\s*you)?\s*$/i || m/^kthxbye\s*$/i) {
Yet, thinking about it, it doesn't seem like we should actually care
about all those forms, because they get silly real fast... the reference
card could easily just list a few essential forms (one word-based and one
signature-based).
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submissions of pre-installed vendors, books, soon also merchandise
Hi, I've been wading through the immense piles of spam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and noticed that we used to ask people to report updates to /distrib/pre-installed and /doc/books to that address. This was needlessly concentrating that, so I've had two new mail aliases created for those purposes. They currently still point to the same recipients, but now we can easily add more people. If someone wants to volunteer to receive those mails, please feel free to say so. I can also send over the old mail archives so that the old submissions can be examined, to make sure we didn't miss anything. This will hopefully also get done for /misc/merchandise, btw. If anyone else sees a non-generic mention of webmaster@ somewhere, shout. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: www.us.d.o outdated (was: Broken download links for the Lenny beta 2 installers)
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:44:37AM +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: (CC'ing [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:09:26AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: The www.us.debian.org mirror of www.debian.org seems to have not updated in the 24+ hours since the beta was released. Is this mirror broken? It seems so: http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/#sect_www tells the last successfull update happened on 29th May. I notified the admins, Peter found a permissions problem and it's working now. -- Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
contact for preinstall vendors and books
Hi, Two new aliases, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] have been opened, so we can redirect mail traffic regarding those two issues there, hopefully reducing spam a bit. (Another CGI is still an option...) Currently only existing [EMAIL PROTECTED] victim^Wmembers are listening, but others are welcome to join to help. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: conversion to subversion
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 09:12:08AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: check in gluck:/cvs/webwml/CVSROOT/passwd,v for accounts. You can find login information and email in the CVS log messages. Thanks to Joey who told me that. I'm not a webwml admin, but if nobody objects I can help approve all those accounts. (One the debwww members could also explicitely authorize me to process the pending requests that are legitimate) Yes, as far as I'm concerned, do feel free to make new provisions to people with existing cvs pserver accounts, assuming you can verify request authenticity (correlating alioth account with cvs account with e-mail of the person who sends you the request)? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: conversion to subversion
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 11:46:59PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 09:12:08AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: check in gluck:/cvs/webwml/CVSROOT/passwd,v for accounts. You can find login information and email in the CVS log messages. Thanks to Joey who told me that. I'm not a webwml admin, but if nobody objects I can help approve all those accounts. (One the debwww members could also explicitely authorize me to process the pending requests that are legitimate) Yes, as far as I'm concerned, do feel free to make new provisions to people with existing cvs pserver accounts, assuming you can verify request authenticity (correlating alioth account with cvs account with e-mail of the person who sends you the request)? Speaking of which, we have been getting a few requests via alioth - would it be possible for alioth to avoid using personal mails and instead mail webmaster@, or even [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
infrastructure team procedures proposal
Hi, I've been composing a proposal regarding how Debian's infrastructure teams operate. It would be a good idea if the interested members of teams take a look at it and contribute their insight. The last version of the text is at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/10/msg00142.html (From there you can find references to the older discussions as well.) I'm hoping to get a proposal voted upon to become a general resolution. Please feel free to post your opinions to the debian-project mailing list. I'm sending this to a bunch of generic e-mail addresses found in www.d.o/intro/organization. I couldn't include an address or two at the list server because it would have killed me for crossposting too much. If you see an important omission in the list of recipients, please forward appropriately. TIA. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mirror/official_sponsors.wml
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:12:55PM +0100, Nicolas Bertolissio wrote: Hi, Could some one check the table summary (line 3)? There may be a double. Yep, thanks :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: not translatable strings in mirror/submit.inc
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 12:05:40AM -0200, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: On 30-10-2007 08:43, Simon Paillard wrote: /english/mirror/submit.inc (included in all languages) includes some english strings which cannot be translated for the moment : line 13: same as the above Simon, Is this informational? Or a bug report? It's a bug - this would make translations have to fork the .inc file, which would defeat the whole point. We need to put that string into a tag which is marked as something that comes up in po/mirrors.po, I think. I can't remember the syntax offhand, but I'm going to look it up and fix it if nobody beats me to it. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD/DVD clarification suggestion on download page
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 03:49:24AM -0800, David de Hilario Richards wrote: When I downloaded the DVD images on the url below I thought that I needed to download all 3 DVDs in order to install Debian etch. It seems that I was mistaken and only the 1st DVD is needed for the default install. I think that this puts off many people which think that they need to download 13GB worth of DVDs when only the first is really needed. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ This is supporting my earlier comments about /distrib/ and /distrib/netinst... we went from too much obfuscation to too little explanation :) I think we should modify /distrib/ so that it doesn't just link to the megalomanic d-i dl page, but instead it should go like: * one item describing installations *without* network access, meaning: /CD/http-ftp/ + /CD/torrent-cd/ + /CD/jigdo-cd/ [1] * one item for installations *with* network access link to /distrib/netinst/ [1] This looks like a reiteration of /distrib/cd, but when done in the /distrib/ page, it won't be adding an extra step, which was why this was reverted over two years ago in http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/distrib/cd.wml?root=webwmlr1=1.5r2=1.6diff_format=h At the same time, we have two different approaches. The /distrib/ page needs to enable people to quickly get to a fair option. The /CD/ pages weren't designed for that, they were designed so that they present the entirety of options. So, that would need to be fixed up. * The http-ftp page concentrates on various options, and mirrors. For /distrib/, we just need a direct link to the stable CD/DVD images, linking /debian-cd/ directories is a bad idea (it leads to users wandering around). Links to mirrors are a secondary matter, because cdimage.d.o can usually take the beating. * The torrent-cd page is better, it links directly to the directories of 4.0_r1 etc. For /distrib/, we just need it to warn against downloading anything more than the first CD/DVD in any set. Or maybe just make it link just the first file. * The jigdo-cd page looks like a lost cause to me... it may even be inappropriate for /distrib/ linkage, because it's not nearly as straightforward as other options. It's similar to netboot. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD/DVD clarification suggestion on download page
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 02:24:05PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 03:49:24AM -0800, David de Hilario Richards wrote: When I downloaded the DVD images on the url below I thought that I needed to download all 3 DVDs in order to install Debian etch. It seems that I was mistaken and only the 1st DVD is needed for the default install. I think that this puts off many people which think that they need to download 13GB worth of DVDs when only the first is really needed. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ This is supporting my earlier comments about /distrib/ and /distrib/netinst... we went from too much obfuscation to too little explanation :) I think we should modify /distrib/ so that it doesn't just link to the megalomanic d-i dl page, but instead it should go like: * one item describing installations *without* network access, meaning: /CD/http-ftp/ + /CD/torrent-cd/ + /CD/jigdo-cd/ [1] * one item for installations *with* network access link to /distrib/netinst/ Okay, so I went ahead and did this. Now /distrib/ no longer links to the d-i mega-link-collection, and instead it links to those four pages, each of which have their own link collection. It's still fairly consistent, and the number of clicks is the same - maybe a bit more scrolling, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The documentation links are a bit more visible. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Info on this site
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 01:39:20PM +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Also, when the main server is down, everyone should be informed about the non-reachable server (like at the moment). I'm not sure what you mean with the main server is down, but as far as I'm aware there's nothing down that's relevant to end-users - only developers. The mirror network seems to function just fine. Hmm, maybe I am wrong, but as endusers might wonder, why there are suddenly no new versions, they ask themselves, what happens. This concerns only end-users of unstable, and to a lesser extent of testing. That's a far cry from everyone, thankfully :) stable users are unaffected, security for stable is unaffected, so the news doesn't warrant critical priority. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pointing people to files
Hi, There's a major disconnect between how http://www.debian.org/distrib/ used to work and how it works now. Now it points to: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ which is a page which has gobs of links to image files right up front, and then some text. Previously it pointed to pages like: http://www.debian.org/CD/ http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst which are pages which have a lot of text, links to other pages, and then links to image files. I used to support the latter approach, but I see where it led to - a knee-jerk reaction of just giving people the image files. Both are bad. I'm thinking of linking /CD/netinst, and integrating text from /distrib/floppyinst and /distrib/netboot into /distrib/netinst, because these two are too short to have their own pages, really. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mentioning proposed-updates on the main website
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 07:50:43AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: I just committed that new page to CVS, please feel free to... embrace and extend :) [...] It only demonstrates why finally documenting this can be very helpfull :-) Thank you very much for starting the page! Um, you are aware that all I did was copypaste one standard header line and a bit of HTML-formatted content into a file with the extension .wml, and then cvs add cvs commit that? :) So where is the wrong content you copied from, what's the URL? I interpolated that from security/faq and releases/etch/errata -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mentioning proposed-updates on the main website
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:57:13PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 08:13:19PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: As you may (or may not) know proposed-updates is used as a basis for the next point release. As such it would be good that people would use it more so we find most bugs *before* a point release. To make this happen I want to mention proposed-updates more visibly on the main website. Does anyone have good ideas how and where on the website I should mention proposed-updates (and oldstable-proposed-updates and maybe the process involved)? /releases/stable/errata actually includes some information about that, but I'm not sure where else. Maybe we need a new page called /releases/proposed-updates that explains the concept better, and then link that one from other places? I just committed that new page to CVS, please feel free to... embrace and extend :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#207094: mirror.d.o help
Hi, I just changed dmc.pl to link the legend before every section, will add an explanation of the level freshness too if I can find a way to phrase that :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS webwml/english/mirror
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 10:16:43AM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Am Dienstag, den 23.10.2007, 13:07 -0600 schrieb CVS User joy: Update of /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/mirror In directory gluck:/tmp/cvs-serv10395 Modified Files: Makefile submit.inc Log Message: stop using testing data for the list of architectures, rather, use the new file in the sid directory I will have to revert the changes to the Makefile. Removing the definition of $(TESTING) before all the translators have updated submit.wml gains just one thing: webwml build errors. Oh, okay, but you can revert that conditionally :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hurd-i386 missing in releases/$TESTING/release.data ?
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 04:57:40PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: To my understanding the release.data contains architectures that are planned to get released with that release - and neither hurd nor m68k have qualified for that TTBOMK. I would be very careful about touching that part of the informations in the file, I see it as being in the scope of the release team to do so and would get their ACK for adding something there. Oh, just a historical note here. release.data has no bearing on the release team, it's just a set of helpful data structures we created a long time ago in order to be able to reference the same thing in the Perl code that generates the various lists of manuals in releases/.../installmanual and releases/.../releasenotes. Later its usage spread further, because it was so convenient. But the release.data files just document the truth, they don't determine it :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mentioning proposed-updates on the main website
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 08:13:19PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: As you may (or may not) know proposed-updates is used as a basis for the next point release. As such it would be good that people would use it more so we find most bugs *before* a point release. To make this happen I want to mention proposed-updates more visibly on the main website. Does anyone have good ideas how and where on the website I should mention proposed-updates (and oldstable-proposed-updates and maybe the process involved)? /releases/stable/errata actually includes some information about that, but I'm not sure where else. Maybe we need a new page called /releases/proposed-updates that explains the concept better, and then link that one from other places? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: html tags fixing in english only VS l10n on www.debian.org
On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:40:22AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: The last change index.wml from the CVS archive: -hr +hr / I would like to second this tension ... So, to the people that fix html tags in the CVS : * PLEASE DO IT WITH SMARTCHANGE OR BY HAND IN ALL OTHER LANGUAGES ! * I wholeheartedly second this. People who fiddle with HTML in sources of pages that are popular and widely translated really need to get a clue and stop creating more pointless work for others. This is the latest commit that pissed me off: http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/distrib/packages.wml?root=webwmlr1=1.65r2=1.66diff_format=h This trend has been repeating itself for months. :( Strolling through gobs of pointless diffs again and again is not in any way a pleasurable or useful activity. If this persists, I'll seriously consider formally requesting that commit access is revoked for the wrongdoers. :| Oh, wait, it got better... http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/doc/index.wml?root=webwmlr1=1.85r2=1.86diff_format=h The change is hrline to hrline /. But, this tag is not even (X)HTML, it's a WML tag we defined on our own, and it gets converted into another tag by MWL, making this change completely and utterly useless. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: html tags fixing in english only VS l10n on www.debian.org
On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 06:29:53PM +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 10:31:40AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last change index.wml from the CVS archive: -hr +hr / I would like to second this tension ... So, to the people that fix html tags in the CVS : * PLEASE DO IT WITH SMARTCHANGE OR BY HAND IN ALL OTHER LANGUAGES ! * I wholeheartedly second this. People who fiddle with HTML in sources of pages that are popular and widely translated really need to get a clue and stop creating more pointless work for others. This is the latest commit that pissed me off: http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/distrib/packages.wml?root=webwmlr1=1.65r2=1.66diff_format=h This trend has been repeating itself for months. :( Strolling through gobs of pointless diffs again and again is not in any way a pleasurable or useful activity. If this persists, I'll seriously consider formally requesting that commit access is revoked for the wrongdoers. :| -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by spaillar: webwml/english/mirror Mirrors.masterlist
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 04:49:10AM -0600, Debian WWW CVS wrote: CVSROOT: /cvs/webwml Module name: webwml Changes by: spaillar07/10/08 04:49:10 Modified files: english/mirror : Mirrors.masterlist Log message: Add debian.lth.se (Closes: #445705) Congratulations for the one thousandth commit of Mirrors.masterlist :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [listmaster] Lowering SA score for your list
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 04:32:09PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: Be aware that lowering the score by .2 points might risk in having more false possitives, which then would not appear on the lists. debian-www is the main contact address for the website, I'm not sure if .2 points well drop people trying to contact us, and I don't know what was the policy in the past about the primary e-mail contact for first time visitors (if it is -www or -project). I would love to see less SPAM, but if we need to keep it low to allow people to talk with us, then, I can live with it. I just had a look at http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2007/10/threads.html and it's just scary. I think we need a new mailing list for -www user queries, and then different anti-spam rules to be applied to the discussion list and to the user input list. Noise has first completely cluttered [EMAIL PROTECTED], and now debian-www. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages.debian.org updated
On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 01:14:32PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: On a related note: since you have admin status on the debwww/webwml project accounts on alioth, maybe you could sync them with reality (i.e. /intro/organization) by making the current webmasters admins as well and removing some of the very old entries. Oh, sure, fixed now for debwww. You could have prodded me about that sooner, I can take the beating :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages.debian.org updated
On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 02:11:47PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On a related note: since you have admin status on the debwww/webwml project accounts on alioth, maybe you could sync them with reality (i.e. /intro/organization) by making the current webmasters admins as well and removing some of the very old entries. Oh, sure, fixed now for debwww. You could have prodded me about that sooner, I can take the beating :) I also fixed your and Matt's status for webwml. It seems that this list in gforge is updated automatically from Debian groups, but the elevation of permissions must be done manually. I've made all the other new additions to webwml 'Junior Developer', no idea if anything else is necessary. Does the automatic replication also affect group removals? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages.debian.org updated
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 10:22:44PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: The new code can be found in my git repository. More information at http://packages.debian.org/about/ Which branch (or do they call that tag? I don't recall any more) is canonical, IOW how do the privileges to update things work? The current status is: - To be able to update the code that is running on puccini one will need to have access to puccini and sudo rights to pkg_user Initially, when I humbly asked for access to p.d.o stuff in general to be restored on 2007-05-30, I got rather rudely rejected by Martin Schulze, and this was not remedied - rather, my request for explanation was completely ignored. Regarding that, I decided to file a ticket in the RT about that so that we hear an official opinion from DSA (rather than just one person). https://rt.debian.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=186 -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vender submission problem.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:41:52AM +0100, Paul Cager wrote: I do not believe the query on your URL should upset the process; [...] Why don't you believe it? The regexp it must match is /^([\w.:\/~-]+)$/ - in other words, a string containing only one or more word characters (alphanumeric plus _), dot, colon, slash, tilde or dash. Question marks are not allowed. That's on cgi.debian.org/cgi-bin/submit_cdvendor.pl line 76 - I can view it, but not edit it (and I'm not sure it should be changed). I stand corrected, but somewhat surprised... Although I don't like the idea of using a dynamic URL for what is essentially a static page, it *is* still a legal URL. Why should we ban it? And looking at the UK entries on http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#uk, roughly half of the URLS are illegal according to the regexp above. Oh, I was just too strict when writing that regexp :) I updated it last night. Richard Atterer asked me to do it a while ago, but I got sidetracked. Please submit again. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#430155: Bug#385210: listing IPv6 support on mirror pages
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 06:41:00PM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: There is a request in the bts [1] to show which mirrors are reachable over IPv6. I've already added a new field IPv6 to the mirror masterlist [2], Actually, there's been a mistake - bug #385210 talks about a wifi hardware compatibility list. It's #430155 that talks about IPv6. Let's redirect this discussion there. On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 11:34:01PM +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: * A third possible value 'only' could describe the case when the mirror is IPv6 only : IPv6: yes|no|only The latter should be fine, IMO. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#385210: listing IPv6 support on mirror pages
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 11:07:10AM +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: This seems to be a display issue only, if it has IPv6 it has an record, if it has IPv4 it has an A record. Just do a resolve at website generation time? The choose-mirror d-i component relies on the source file Mirrors.masterlist to build the list of mirrors displayed at install. So if we want do discriminate ipv6 capable mirrors at the install phase, we need to put the details in the source file itself, not only in one of the compiled html file. I'm not sure if discriminate is the right word here... do we want choose-mirror to only indicate that a mirror has IPv6, or do we want it to remove a mirror from the displayed list if the client has only IPv4? If the latter, we absolutely need to distinguish between IPv6: yes and IPv6: only. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages.debian.org updated
On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 10:58:12PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: packages.debian.org was finally updated to the new code base that was already available some time from packages.debian.net. Yay! :) I guess that was the reason for all those connection refused messages earlier today... :) - p.d.o now understands codenames (e.g. etch), aliases (e.g. stable) an version numbers (e.g. 4.0) in urls. That's all good, but there's one important thing - it forces people to handle code names by default. That's something that always pissed me off while going over Ubuntu documentation - you have to know the code names and the current status of each of those releases, rather than simply seeing stable, testing, unstable. We should revert to displaying those strings instead (with code names in parenthesis, in case someone actually wants them badly). The new code can be found in my git repository. More information at http://packages.debian.org/about/ Which branch (or do they call that tag? I don't recall any more) is canonical, IOW how do the privileges to update things work? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by kreutzm: webwml/english/mirror ftpmirror.wml
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 03:49:51AM -0600, Debian WWW CVS wrote: CVSROOT: /cvs/webwml Module name: webwml Changes by: kreutzm 07/06/03 03:49:51 Modified files: english/mirror : ftpmirror.wml Log message: Fix markup: Closing tags, br /, q, ... What is the point of doing this in the source, when WML fixes it in the output anyway? This just creates one more revision for the translators to track. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Doubts and Ideas
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 02:23:26AM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: This means that we have to copy paste the entries into the webwml/english/CD/vendors.CD file in CVS, *manually* sort the list, This manual sorting bugs me. We should definitely be able to throw new entries at the bottom of the list, and have WML sort them for us. Let's implement the equivalent of mirror/Mirrors.masterlist for CD vendors? I would vote for it, seems to be similar. I seem to recall *some* ancient reason against it, but I can't remember which. Maybe it will popup again. :-) I think it was something about that database import script that relied on current vendors.CD file format, and something about sorting. We can scrap the former because I don't think a separate database is used any more (seeS?), and the latter can be addressed by Denis and other WML hackers should the need arise. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
license [was Re: Doubts and Ideas]
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 06:23:44PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: In any event, to resolve this issue completely While we're at it. Since we obviously have time-related issues with the complete solution :) can someone suggest an alternate phrasing for /license that would not be false? How do we reference webwml committers as a group without the reference being legally invalid? Maybe we could replace the /license page with a script which would pull out the usernames of all the committers for a given source file (via cvs log or so) and print out the real names (via db.d.o, extra variables, etc) together with years of changes. That would have two essential problems: a) revision 1.1 for some files isn't necessarily the original (some were imported), and b) not all revisions necessarily constituted a copyrightable change. Hence, I don't know if it would be worth it for the sake of copyright. It might still be worth it for the sake of simply giving credit. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Doubts and Ideas
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 06:23:44PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: It's unlikely that our web pages have much content for which there isn't prior art, or simply common knowledge. Prior art isn't an issue, since it's not patented. I meant that thing that makes copyright applicable - a modicum of originality. The vast majority of our web site content is simply not original, because of the nature of the web site, which is to describe the established facts regarding Debian. These facts are pre-existent, and editors mostly can't claim the exclusive right (copyright) on them. There's a handful of essay-like materials where there's significant added value in the text, and the non-content stuff like code and design, but the copyrightability of everything else to the editor of the web site is at least moot. In any event, to resolve this issue completely all that we need is 1) a GPG signed email from every contributor saying that they either assign copyright of their contributions to SPI or give SPI a non-exclusive royalte-free license to do with the copyright work as they see fit 2) a directive from the DPL to SPI to license the work under GPL (or MIT/Expat or whatever -www decides.) #1 should probably be made a part of the proceedure that is followed when you get commit access to the cvs, and #2 is simply a matter of e-mailing leader@ once -www decides which licence. Yeah. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Doubts and Ideas
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:56:36AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I am willing to relicense my contributions under the GPL v2; but I am not willing to assign my copyright away. I specifically do not trust the SPI enough to allow them to relicense my work in the future. And you were committing all this time to the web site which says it's copyright SPI? Unknowingly? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Doubts and Ideas
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:00:38PM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: The current system was implemented by Josip recently, and is a big improvement over the previous state: ...the previous state being that a vendor mails assorted bits of information to a mail address, and then a human editor *must* take their input apart weed out the garbage, and rewrite data into WML syntax. That was just painful. It needed to be fixed years ago, but nobody ever got a round tuit. :/ On http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/adding-form, CD vendors fill out the form, the results are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in a standard format. This format is standardized, but not WML. Hey, why didn't anyone tell me that I should do that, it could be done fairly easily :) This means that we have to copy paste the entries into the webwml/english/CD/vendors.CD file in CVS, *manually* sort the list, This manual sorting bugs me. We should definitely be able to throw new entries at the bottom of the list, and have WML sort them for us. Let's implement the equivalent of mirror/Mirrors.masterlist for CD vendors? I seem to recall *some* ancient reason against it, but I can't remember which. double-check everything works as expected... Finally, the auto-generated mail needs to be replied to, to inform the vendor about his being added. A CC to [EMAIL PROTECTED] is necessary to avoid duplication of effort, which increases the amount of mail to be handled by everybody. These steps are hard to avoid even if you implement a full-blown script+database handler... you'd still have to read and check all submissions, generate a reply (at that time when you add them), and somehow 'lock' submissions to avoid race conditions with other editors. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Doubts and Ideas
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 06:20:40PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: About a redesign I think that should be done, from time to time, using proper CSS, to show people that the Web Team is alive and working. I'm not saying to put flash or any not *very* accessible material, Im just saying that from time to time (2-3 years) we could re-arrange our CSS (and maybe layout) so people could come and say: COOL! Debian keeps surprising me!. Just changing the colors (even nuances) or a couple of visual bits and pieces, would be good. For quite some time, Im really unsure if we should use br / or br, if we should use a quote () or q, if we should check new pages when they come in and review it (even before translators work on it). I don't think we should ever be worrying about br/ vs br, or similar formatting issues. WML *exists* for the purpose of abstracting those kinds of details out of the editor's view. The new q thing is a good idea, it should have been done long ago (also through WML, but this method with CSS is okay today). I'm unsure if we should start contacting contributors and fix the long standing license problem of the website. What license problem? Everything is licensed to SPI, always has been. I really think that we need to first change a couple of core structures in the (X)HTML code and CSS and after we can work on the logical and structural areas of the website. I think that logical and structural discussion is more important than formatting. Even visual design issues are by now more important than whether we pass this or that syntax validator :/ -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Doubts and Ideas
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 05:51:25PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: What license problem? Everything is licensed to SPI, always has been. I'm suprised you ask this. Have you read 238245? Obviously not :) Several problems: - The website claims the Copyright belongs to SPI even if no contributor, AFAIK, is asked a paper signed email to transfer copyright before they start contributing. We should change this and start collecting (c) transfers from (at least) current and future contributors. As per the discussion in #238245, since this has not been done the content is not legally licensed by SPI. Er, I think this is a false dilemma. People who were committing have always been committing to the same place where license.wml said SPI, and it said OPL. Granted, without explicit relinquishments, it may not be SPI's in the strictest possible sense, but I doubt that we couldn't argue so in court, if someone ever contested that. This wasn't us having people click-through a EULA, these were completely willful acts of asking for access, accepting the rules, and only then committing changes. - Debian-legal says that the website license (OPL) not DFSG-free (see http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040312.160816.9f618d1f.html) This is the same thing as with the logo licenses... in reality, nobody cares, because the web site isn't part of the Debian system. This means no content from the site can (legally) be copied over to, for example, a GPL-licensed document (such as those produced by the DDP) or a GPL program. Does this happen often? I couldn't say, It's unlikely that our web pages have much content for which there isn't prior art, or simply common knowledge. All this license nitpicking in Debian really tends to get annoying to me... We could actually go about whining at people adding stuff to the web site without proper references to whatever is the primary source! -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch errata
On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 07:33:56PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: I am in the progress of translating the etch errata into Romanian (yes I know, better late then never) and I noticed that apt-get is still used in the example for security updates. I thought aptitude was the recommended frontend. In the case of security updates, it does not matter, because there are no complex dependencies to be resolved, you only upgrade existing packages and there should be no difference which program is used. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch errata
On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 10:38:45PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: I am in the progress of translating the etch errata into Romanian (yes I know, better late then never) and I noticed that apt-get is still used in the example for security updates. I thought aptitude was the recommended frontend. In the case of security updates, it does not matter, because there are no complex dependencies to be resolved, you only upgrade existing packages and there should be no difference which program is used. My point was that we should have consistent recommendations. Well, seemingly inconsistent, it's all the same APT library. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting and keeping existing webpages up-to-date (Re: Wanted: introductory page for all teams)
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 01:39:30PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: My point is that it is no surprise to me that many webpages have alternative wiki pages, simply because it is s much more efficient to edit the wiki pages. It's not necessarily efficient, it's just simple. But yes, some things are better edited in another format. I was never an advocate of the events/ section in webwml, it was always out-of-dateness waiting to happen. I strongly suggest to give all DD's commit access to the wml files and to launch a call on debian-www to massively merge the wiki pages with the outdated webpages. While letting all developers edit WML will have the obvious advantage of letting them do simple fixes, it will also make it possible for people to violate various conventions simply because they haven't needed to read a modicum of documentation. Contrary to popular belief, there are a lot of things that can go wrong and piss people off when people make newbie mistakes editing web pages (be they in a wiki engine or in wml). With people mailing debian-www saying 'please add me', at least we have the opportunity to tell that person 'please read docs', as well as a clear record of when they started contributing. It isn't really an unbearable overhead, is it? Please let's not overdo the solution to this problem :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: quotation marks used for q/q
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 08:47:54PM +0200, Frédéric Bothamy wrote: We want #x201E;this#x201D;. Can we make WML, when compiling Croatian pages, replace all instances of q with #x201E; and all instances of /q with #x201D; in one of the top-level templates? I forgot where such a thing could be done, but ISTR that it is possible. You should not replace q, but define how this is displayed using a file debian-hr.css in the directory webwml/croatian. Okay, thanks. This already seems to be done. I have grepped through the files under croatian/, and only the file News/1999/19990927.wml contains the tag q. You can see how this is displayed in http://www.debian.org/News/1999/19990927.hr.html. Like I said, it's not done, because those quotes are clearly not the ones that I mentioned above. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: quotation marks used for q/q
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 08:47:54PM +0200, Frédéric Bothamy wrote: You should not replace q, but define how this is displayed using a file debian-hr.css in the directory webwml/croatian. Why do those files still have: /* please do not touch for now! - Jutta Wrage 2005 */ ?! -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
quotation marks used for q/q
Hi, These q tags seem nice, but I can't get them to display actual Croatian localized quote marks. q lang=hr didn't help either. We want #x201E;this#x201D;. Can we make WML, when compiling Croatian pages, replace all instances of q with #x201E; and all instances of /q with #x201D; in one of the top-level templates? I forgot where such a thing could be done, but ISTR that it is possible. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mirrors.masterlist update policy for replacements
Hi, I just happened to notice that our anlx.net mirror is no longer in the Mirrors.masterlist file. The culprit is this commit (by djpig): http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/mirror/Mirrors.masterlist?root=webwmlr1=1.574r2=1.575diff_format=h The problem here isn't that the ftp.uk.d.o entry was changed, it's that the anlx.net entry wasn't forked off as it should have been. The masterlist format doesn't have what you'd call pointers implemented for official mirror domain names, we have to move the actual data under the same Site: for it to work; and when we replace the data, the old instance has to be re-created manually, elsewhere. I know it's a bit silly, and it could be fixed, but hey, nobody got enough round tuits yet to get such change done in the parser scripts. So, if changing Mirrors.masterlist in the future, please remember to do that fork. Same goes for everyone else, this isn't to censure Frank :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make problem
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:25:50PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: What am I missing? Not sure, but if you first do 'make -C ./po', I think it will work. Oh. It would make sense if this was somehow included in the dependencies, surely? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joy: webwml/english/CD/vendors adding-form.wml
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 07:08:06PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: That sounds like it was copied and pasted... hmm... maybe it should be a list of checkboxes with the seven items listed at the /CD/vendors/ page? Back a few hard drive crashes ago I had a set of checkboxes for that, hmm. Two sets, one for CD and one for DVD. http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ has the list, but there is also some dependencies. non-us and non-free were add-ons. I think only for Official CD or devel SS. How does adding-form look to you now? Lacking further comments, I say we are good. Helge Kreutzmann actually already translated the page to German, so I think we're at the tipping point. I'll go re-link the referring pages; if we want to revert, we can do it. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: log files on www.d.o [Re: Improvements of the website]
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 08:10:20PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: In the meantime, I'll be generating the data, but I also need someone to run apache2ctl graceful so that the CGI becomes accessible in the www-master virtual host. It appears that either a human or the weekly log rotation cron job did it now. Now we have web access to the awstats.pl script, but it looks in the hardcoded /etc/awstats and similar directories for the config files. I put the file in /var/www/webalizer/awstats/awstats.www.debian.org.conf; can someone symlink it from /etc/awstats? But note that this is also a temporary path because we don't have /var/www/awstats. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
