Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Is this unique?

2004-08-25 Thread Nick Hayer
Scott - 

We are getting a lot of spam with this text in the email:
 x-mac-type=4A504547; x-mac-creator=4A565752

Question - can I filter on this or is this a common MAC string?

Thanks

-Nick Hayer

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Is this unique?

2004-08-25 Thread E. Ballerini
Nick Hayer wrote:
Scott - 

We are getting a lot of spam with this text in the email:
x-mac-type=4A504547; x-mac-creator=4A565752
Question - can I filter on this or is this a common MAC string?
 

These are file attachments that have come from a Mac email client, 
probably Outlook Express.

The mac doesn't use file extensions to determine the type of a file (for 
example a JPEG), instead it uses a type ID and a creator ID which are 
part of the files info (including the created date, modified date, 
etc).  The ID's a are 32 bit longs and are normally ASCII coded for 
readability.  In your case all the creator ID's are 4A565752, which is 
'JVWR' and if memory serves that is the code for JPEG Viewer a 
shareware image viewer, and the file types are 47494666 ('GIFf') and 
4A504547 ('JPEG'), which makes sense as all the file names say .gif and .jpg

Erminio
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Is this unique?

2004-08-25 Thread Nick Hayer
On 25 Aug 2004 at 15:18, E. Ballerini wrote:
Hi Erminio -

I saw this explanation on a google search - my question is are the 
id's unique to this mac client eg ok to filter on?
Thanks
-Nick Hayer

 These are file attachments that have come from a Mac email client,
 probably Outlook Express.
 
 The mac doesn't use file extensions to determine the type of a file
 (for example a JPEG), instead it uses a type ID and a creator ID which
 are part of the files info (including the created date, modified date,
 etc).  The ID's a are 32 bit longs and are normally ASCII coded for
 readability.  In your case all the creator ID's are 4A565752, which is
 'JVWR' and if memory serves that is the code for JPEG Viewer a
 shareware image viewer, and the file types are 47494666 ('GIFf') and
 4A504547 ('JPEG'), which makes sense as all the file names say .gif
 and .jpg
 
 Erminio
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Is this unique?

2004-08-25 Thread E. Ballerini
Nick Hayer wrote:
On 25 Aug 2004 at 15:18, E. Ballerini wrote:
Hi Erminio -
I saw this explanation on a google search - my question is are the 
id's unique to this mac client eg ok to filter on?
Thanks
-Nick Hayer
 

As I understand it, the combination x-mac-type=4A504547; 
x-mac-creator=4A565752
means nothing more than that a Mac e-mail client has send an email with 
a .jpg picture to you.

Maybe you can make a filter for it and give it  just enough points to 
tip the balance?
(Assuming it has other spam behaviour)

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Chinese vs NONEnglish

2004-08-25 Thread Scott Fisher
While the NONENGLISH test is pretty effective (99%+)  it does trip up occasionally. 
Our company does some business internationally so it's a tough area.

Unfortunately for me the NONENGLISH test has false positives on the company that owns 
me (Australian company) and some of my own test mail as well as occasional others. 
Especially UTF-8 encoded stuff. So I can only assign a low-moderate weight to it.
Discussion on NONENGLISH:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg18854.html

I went round and round on this Chinese language mail (and Korean too), Message Sniffer 
wasn't effective, text filters weren't effective (no English text). Spamdomains 
occasionally hurt some legit Chinese English language mail and couldn't be assigned a 
punishment weight.

I then tried to check for GB2312 encoding in the header to try to punish the Chinese 
mail. This is not a great indicator either. The English ASCII characters are a subset 
of GB2312. So a computer with a character set of GB2312 can and does send me a message 
in English yet has a header code of GB2312.

Looking at GB2312 character set, it uses two bytes to store the character information. 

So someone else on this list created filters to check for Chinese. Since that person 
is the author, I don't feel comfortable sharing his work on these filters. Maybe he'll 
step out and volunteer it.

Basically it looks for certain high bit characters that are likely to occur in Chinese 
and certain character sets. It's compounded with some END statements to minimize false 
positives. It's as near to 100% effective as a filter can be, and I am able to assign 
it a high punishment weight.

Lastly it's a filter not a external test.
In my original e-mail I said I have an external program that looks for a subject line 
that is all caps. I consider this to be a potential indicator of Nigerian/419 e-mails 
and use it in a filter I am working on.

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/24/04 05:23PM 
I would be curious to hear on this as well.  It's my understanding that the 
non-english test in declude should catch this (chinese in the subject)?  Why 
the need for an external test? 

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Keith Johnson writes: 

 Scott Fisher,
 I heard you mention once that you made a filter to catch Chinese characters 
 in the subject, we have a few customers that get nailed by these often.  Was 
 wondering if you could share your thoughts.   Thanks,
  
 Keith  
 
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   Cc: 
   Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] External Test for Subject is Upper Case
   

 
   I've made an external test to test if the Subject is all upper case (or 
 punctuation).
   If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll e-mail you a copy.
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[Declude.JunkMail] Bypassing mime segments revisit

2004-08-25 Thread Rick Davidson
I know this has been discussed before several times but is there any plan to
allow body filters to bypass mime segments except if it is text/html? The
majority of my false positives are words (mainly porn related) found in the
encoding of jpegs and gifs, especially on commonly misspelled variations. I
was able to work around the problem with PDFs and MS Office documents by
ending the tests based on those content types but obviously that is not an
option with images. Aside from helping to limit false positives it would be
a good way to reclaim some cpu cycles as well.

Anyone have a way to counter this problem?


Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bypassing mime segments revisit

2004-08-25 Thread R. Scott Perry

I know this has been discussed before several times but is there any plan to
allow body filters to bypass mime segments except if it is text/html?
Yes; this is something that we would like to do.  However, accurate MIME 
decoding is very complex (and therefore becomes a large project).

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[Declude.JunkMail] Sending attachments to the list

2004-08-25 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Jeff and all, do not attempt to send attachments other than text files to
the list.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You



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[Declude.JunkMail] Comments in ipfile filter?

2004-08-25 Thread Eddie Cornejo
Can the ipfile filter list contain comments between lines. 
Will this cause the filter to stop at the first comment?
Are comments ignored?

Example:

Xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
#comment
Xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 


Eddie Cornejo
 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Comments in ipfile filter?

2004-08-25 Thread R. Scott Perry

Can the ipfile filter list contain comments between lines.
Will this cause the filter to stop at the first comment?
Are comments ignored?
Example:
Xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
#comment
Xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
The comments are allowed, and processing will continue -- so in this case, 
2 lines would be processed, and the comment line in the middle would be 
ignored.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Incoming message

2004-08-25 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Title: Message



Ok, so who's the 
list member which is infected by the NetSky virus??? From:

stmary-1-306.atm-cip.trvnet.net  
[64.71.64.38]

AS: 64.71.64.0/19 AS14814  Twin 
Rivers Valley Internet Serv Livermore/Iowa

The virus 
is being sent to the list and to the list 
members.

Andrew.

  
  -Original Message-From: Jkratka 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 
  11:58 AMTo: Declude.JunkMailSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] 
  Incoming message


RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Incoming message

2004-08-25 Thread Wolf Tombe
Since this virus has been around since May 2004 (and there 
have been virus definitions that detect it since then as 
well), a better question, might be why didn't Declude catch 
this before it was sent to everyone on the list?
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Incoming message

2004-08-25 Thread R. Scott Perry

Since this virus has been around since May 2004 (and there
have been virus definitions that detect it since then as
well), a better question, might be why didn't Declude catch
this before it was sent to everyone on the list?
Because no virus was sent to the list.  :)
The E-mail was a 0-byte attachment -- most likely, a mail client or 
mailserver that it went through has an on-access scanner that deleted the 
atfachment, but not the E-mail.

   -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] Log Information

2004-08-25 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Hi,

Is there a log file analyzer that will report on messages received by
hour. I am interested in knowing how many e-mails came in between 3 and
4 and then between 4 and 5 etc.

Thanx
 
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 The LAN Shoppe


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[Declude.JunkMail] User vs Domain .junkmail files

2004-08-25 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Hi,

I have a client who wants me to process their mail (store and forward)
for Anti-Virus but only want a few users in the domain to have their
mail processed for SPAM.

So I was thinking that I would put IGNORE actions in the
$default$.junkmail files and create the individual user.junkmail with
the appropriate HOLD/DELETE etc actions in it.

My big question is which .junkmail file has precedence the user or
domain?

Also I know that in this configuration all the mail for the domain in
question has to be processed for SPAM and then most of it ignored
because of the IGNORE actions in the domain .junkmail file. Is there
anyway to prevent the mail going to users who do not have a
user.junkmail file from being processed at all? I think I am out of luck
here.

Thanx


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] User vs Domain .junkmail files

2004-08-25 Thread R. Scott Perry

My big question is which .junkmail file has precedence the user or
domain?
The per-user config files have precedence.
Also I know that in this configuration all the mail for the domain in
question has to be processed for SPAM and then most of it ignored
because of the IGNORE actions in the domain .junkmail file. Is there
anyway to prevent the mail going to users who do not have a
user.junkmail file from being processed at all? I think I am out of luck
here.
They will probably still be scanned, but there should be only a minimal 
performance hit as a result.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] User vs Domain .junkmail files

2004-08-25 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Scott,

 They will probably still be scanned, but there should be only a
minimal
 performance hit as a result.

Wouldn't the performance hit be the same as any mail being scanned? 

 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe


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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] User vs Domain .junkmail files
 
 
 My big question is which .junkmail file has precedence the user or
 domain?
 
 The per-user config files have precedence.
 
 Also I know that in this configuration all the mail for the domain in
 question has to be processed for SPAM and then most of it ignored
 because of the IGNORE actions in the domain .junkmail file. Is there
 anyway to prevent the mail going to users who do not have a
 user.junkmail file from being processed at all? I think I am out of
luck
 here.
 
 They will probably still be scanned, but there should be only a
minimal
 performance hit as a result.
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] User vs Domain .junkmail files

2004-08-25 Thread R. Scott Perry

 They will probably still be scanned, but there should be only a minimal
 performance hit as a result.
Wouldn't the performance hit be the same as any mail being scanned?
Correct.  However, it is very rare for a server to have enough resources to 
accept/process/deliver E-mail without having enough resources to add spam 
scanning.

With Declude Virus, there is high CPU usage involved in scanning.  But for 
most Declude JunkMail implementations, this is not an issue.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] User vs Domain .junkmail files

2004-08-25 Thread Goran Jovanovic
OK got it. Thanx


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

 

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 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] User vs Domain .junkmail files
 
 
   They will probably still be scanned, but there should be only a
 minimal
   performance hit as a result.
 
 Wouldn't the performance hit be the same as any mail being scanned?
 
 Correct.  However, it is very rare for a server to have enough
resources
 to
 accept/process/deliver E-mail without having enough resources to add
spam
 scanning.
 
 With Declude Virus, there is high CPU usage involved in scanning.  But
for
 most Declude JunkMail implementations, this is not an issue.
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Incoming message

2004-08-25 Thread Wolf Tombe
That makes perfect sense!  Thanks, Scott.

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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Incoming message

Since this virus has been around since May 2004 (and there 
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this before it was sent to everyone on the list?
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Log Information

2004-08-25 Thread Darrell \([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Goran,

You can grep your logs out and use DLAnalyzer for this.

For example:
grep -i  8/13/2004 14: dec0813.log  newlogfile.txt

Than rename the log file to dec0813.log and than process..

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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Log Information


Hi,

Is there a log file analyzer that will report on messages received by
hour. I am interested in knowing how many e-mails came in between 3 and
4 and then between 4 and 5 etc.

Thanx

 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Log Information

2004-08-25 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Darrell

I was hoping for more of a histogram of the number of messages processed
by hour or half hour. My first thought would be to just get info on
simply messages by hour and then maybe if I see a spike I could rerun it
to see who was sending/receiving during that time.

Thanx
 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

 
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 Goran,
 
 You can grep your logs out and use DLAnalyzer for this.
 
 For example:
 grep -i  8/13/2004 14: dec0813.log  newlogfile.txt
 
 Than rename the log file to dec0813.log and than process..
 
 Darrell


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 Hi,
 
 Is there a log file analyzer that will report on messages received by
 hour. I am interested in knowing how many e-mails came in between 3
and
 4 and then between 4 and 5 etc.
 
 Thanx
 
  Goran Jovanovic
  The LAN Shoppe
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Log Information

2004-08-25 Thread support
If your looking for more of a histogram of the number of messgaes processed 
we have MRTG scripts that interface with Imail/Declude to provide you this 
information.  This may or may not be what your looking for... 

Darrell 

Goran Jovanovic writes: 

Darrell 

I was hoping for more of a histogram of the number of messages processed
by hour or half hour. My first thought would be to just get info on
simply messages by hour and then maybe if I see a spike I could rerun it
to see who was sending/receiving during that time. 

Thanx
 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe 

 
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Goran, 

You can grep your logs out and use DLAnalyzer for this. 

For example:
grep -i  8/13/2004 14: dec0813.log  newlogfile.txt 

Than rename the log file to dec0813.log and than process.. 

Darrell 


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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:52 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Log Information 

Hi, 

Is there a log file analyzer that will report on messages received by
hour. I am interested in knowing how many e-mails came in between 3
and
4 and then between 4 and 5 etc. 

Thanx 

 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Log Information

2004-08-25 Thread Bill Landry
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From: Goran Jovanovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I was hoping for more of a histogram of the number of
 messages processed by hour or half hour. My first thought
 would be to just get info on simply messages by hour and
 then maybe if I see a spike I could rerun it to see who was
 sending/receiving during that time.

This little script can give you a no frills, hourly, unique message count
(does not account for a single message that is sent to multiple recipients):
=
gawk {print $3,$2} spam\dec0824.log | usort | uniq -w 18 | gawk {print
$2} | cut -d : -f1 | grep -v [[:alpha:]] | egrep [[:digit:]]{2} | usort |
uniq -c
=

Watch for word-wrapping - the script should be executed as one long line.
These two entries: grep -v [[:alpha:]] | egrep [[:digit:]]{2} are simply
there to help filter out garbage from log corruption.  The output will look
like:

1212 00
1251 01
1218 02
1244 03
1244 04
1317 05
1400 06
1514 07
1757 08
1880 09
1777 10
1837 11
1785 12
1743 13
1830 14
1657 15
1530 16
1378 17
1367 18
1272 19
1312 20
1325 21
1289 22
1297 23

Bill

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