In some cases, not necessarily this one, SpamReview will use
mindspring or the reply address where as Declude will say it's from
a different address.
Sounds like a pretty useless app, if so.
You see the dilemma, I would go after all of them, something's gota
eventually byte.
Not exactly, I actually verify each and every site before I consider
listing them in my kill file or ISP file.
Great--the point is that SpamReview's bugs, if they're grabbing faked
intermediate second-level domains (mindspring.net in your example) and
suggesting that they be killed when
Is there a knowledge base entry listing the headers that Imail
injects?
No.
But these are they, AFAIK:
Received:
Message-Id:
From:
Date:
X-RCPT-TO:
Status:
X-UIDL:
Note that messages must have basic RFC822-style header and body
sections in order for these headers to be
Seems Yahoo (at least groups) fails the abuse test when they do have
an abuse account.
yahoogroups.com should not fail, but yahoo.com proper (pardon the
expression) should fail NOABUSE (they attempt to route people to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], which is all well and good, but non-RFC). If
Oh great. I don't have a support contract and really dont feel
like shelling out the $$ for 7.1x.
I hear ya.
Any workaround?
You could write a custom program alias to do the filtering. But this
probably won't be worth the effort for just your mailbox alone.
Note that this isn't a
I realize that this mailing list is devoted to JunkMail discussions;
however, I was referred here
...from where?
Any help or a link to another group that would be able to help me would be
greatly appreciated.
Try signing up for the IMail Forum at:
Seems to me that this would add a LOT of false positives, especially
from larger ISPs where the outgoing relay servers aren't necessarily
the same as the incoming (the only ones listed in MX records) smtp
servers.
Am I all wet on this?
I agree with you completely. In fact, even with tiny
I believe this to be the first of many emails trying desperately to
tweak every last feature of IMail and Declude to get the performance
that I need. Please let me know anything you might need from me.
Performance Monitor will help you figure out whether only the CPU is
being pegged, or
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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What I am trying to figure out is what holds/creates the string :
Xade9939bcc9fcf9aee8571e9
In other words, How do I crack IWEBMSG session security?
What are you trying to do with this information?
-Sandy
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With all respect if we were trying to hack Imail then why ask such
question in this user group?
Stranger things have happened. :) I knew that wasn't what you *meant*
in terms of your end results, but in practical terms your proposed
implementation would have required it.
-Sandy
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Guys,
Nobody uses Finger anymore, right? Well, check this out: with a few
cosmetic tweaks to chgplan.html, pchgplan.html, and dropdown.cgi, you
can give your users a fully IMail-served per-user blacklist, with the
data stored in the unused PLAN.IMA and users none the wiser. Combine
this
So, IPNOTINMX compares the MX IP against the SENDER (workstation)
IP? Not the SENDING MAIL SERVER'S IP?
It compares to the connecting IP, which in your case was your directly
connected workstation. For remote connections, it would indeed be the
mail server.
-Sandy
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However he does travel quite a lot for our company and meet with
clients, so his profile is much more public than mine.
If applicable, you should tell him to be particularly careful at
Internet cafes abroad. I have heard tell of numerous cases in which a
business trip, and a lot
...a spammer sends anemailto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@myvaliddomain.com. The imail server is
accepting the email since @myvaliddomain.com is a local domain and
then sending the message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Only if your IMail relay permissions are
We have our smtp server running Declude...The smtp server is then
forwarding the emails to our pop server
This is a perfectly fine configuration, and does not constitute a
multistage relay UNLESS you have your POP3 server set to relay for/to
the IP of your SMTP server; if you have it
Right but that doesn't work for gateway systems. :)
It does. Tom's illustrating the use of dummy virtuals to get
outgoing mail bound to a specific EHLO/HELO hostname. The virtuals do
not accept mail to the gatewayed domain, just forward it on as they
would any non-local domain that
John,
How effective is Declude in doing say a 50 line filter test as
compared to a program that is doing a filter test of the same
configuration?
A little vague, no?
How good is IMail at SMTP deliveries, compared to my proprietary
MTA?
-Sandy
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I wish we could automatically have the address that has sent that
email added to a temporary blacklist.
You can. I described in a HOWTO a couple of weeks ago our use of
Program Aliases for dynamic whitelisting, and the same technique could
be used for blacklisting.
-Sandy
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Is this something that is important enough that it would be
worthwhile?
I don't think it's worth the effort technically, though it may well be
so in a financial sense.
Nobody seems to have acknowledged my message about REDIRECTing to
PLAN.IMA for per-user actions, but I am
Admittedly, we're a small ISP and may not be representative of the
entire group, but I'm not convinced we would even use such a
product.
Okay, makes sense. Many admins would quite sensibly not want to
surrender control, and server resources, to a chaotic--not to say
Decjunkmail,
I have a few comments on your post.
The lack of a web-based GUI is probably the one main feature that
keeps some of your competitors in business.
I disagree strongly. I can't say what Scott's competitive research has
shown, but the fact that Declude is a third-party
Mark,
However, a web GUI will be very hard to do without the 'masters'
kept in a database. Without a database you'll run into file locking
problems and it will be harder to deal with single records.
ODBC for text files? :)
I fear you've been in the MS world too long. When ODBC is used
Chuck,
Ok, I just have to say it. As Declude evolves, I think their
dependance on Imail needs to lessen (another good reason for Declude
provided HTTP service).
See my earlier post for some thoughts on this.
-Sandy
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E-mail is sent to entered e-mail address for conformation
Well, I guess we know what you're doing with the bounces. :)
-Sandy
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unsubscribe, just
Many people, including me, have asked IpSwitch to do something like
this. Also because declude does NOT get called when e-mail in
entered using the web interface.
I have Declude scanning all mail using an undocumented technique. I
will post it, if you promise not to ask Scott
I have Declude scanning all mail using an undocumented technique. I
will post it, if you promise not to ask Scott directly (seriously).
Please pretty please.
The reason Declude cannot scan mail sent from IWEBMSG is that IWEBMSG
uses IMAIL1 to encode messages, and IMAIL1 is hard-coded to
Nobody seems to have acknowledged my message about REDIRECTing to
PLAN.IMA for per-user actions, but I am using the method with great
success to provide user self-management from *within* IMail Web
Messaging. If I, no JavaScript guru, can do it, surely others could
go this or similar
Does MAILFROM filter detect invalid FROM addresses?
Yes, that's why you got the X- header.
IMail really should be changed to catch that, thought I must admit
that I use those addresses sometimes when testing--faster to type. :)
-Sandy
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My understanding is that Outlook Express can't filter based on
headers...
Joe's talking about the HEADER action, which isn't inserting an RFC822
header, but a header before the original body (closer to word
processing terminology).
John's answer is spot-on: if the body is
, but I
thought you might like to take a look: http://209.227.3.6, user demo,
pw blue (yes, I'm steering you to a production server).
Check out the SPAManager Whitelist and SPAManager settings screens and
let me know your thoughts.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman
There is one thing that I just really can not figure out how to do.
How do you get the plan.ima file to copy into the declude config
directory?
I don't. I use REDIRECT.
-Sandy
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Scott/All,
I can't retrieve the extended info for code a400010b. Does anyone have
it on hand?
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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So there are a lot of msgs where the remote mailserver after some
mb's of transfered data terminates the trasmission.
Any mail server that terminates the session instead of sending a 5xx
is broken, as it's just inviting more waste on both sides. If the
server terminates
I can't retrieve the extended info for code a400010b. Does anyone
have it on hand?
That one is caused by a missing To: header.
Thanks--I would've caught it if I'd had the original e-mail, but I
just had the alert. Is it indeed not at /tools/badheaders?
-Sandy
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to discuss it.
Please post your thoughts.
-Sandy
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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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Why they don't answer with an 5xx code? There was one single 531 -
Mailbox has exceeded disk quota today...
Because they're stupid. They don't want to wait, so they just keep it
comin' 1/2 hour later.
If the server terminates the session and blacklists you temporarily
or permanently for
It's also important to realize the purpose of the HELOBOGUS test. It
isn't designed primarily to catch spammers. It's designed to help
detect poorly administered mailservers -- ones that are likely to be
abused by spammers.
True, but if you're using HELOBOGUS for anything other
to review this
policy in the future, I do hope you consider that your own systems
violate it. :)
Sincerely yours,
Sandy
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
e-mail: [EMAIL
The software apparently quarantines them as undetermined due to
malformed headers.
What headers are malformed? Could you post a sample header of a
quarantined message? Have you controlled for MUA errors?
As I'm sure you know, Scott does not create bad MIME, and adding
Horrifying doublespeak: they agree that spamtraps are foolproof
evidence of harvesting, and yet they may somehow be found in an
otherwise verifiable opt-in list? I'm sure their verification process
is really in-depth.
Anyone thought about how much they could have made by getting
So what I am trying to do is to clean out the junkmail folders for
all the users to only keep the past 7 days in there (maybe less) So
I need to remove messages by date out of the junkmail.mbx files...
Two batch files, ITERATE.BAT and EXPIRE.BAT:
ITERATE.BAT
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FOR
blue) for an example of how we do the same thing with more granular control
(we don't believe in fully whitelisting by address alone, as you will see).
-Sandy
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While I never followed up or asked any ones opinion, not that it has
come up again, read through the attached text file and see what you
think.
I think, Ugh.
M$ at it again, and their faithful admins recite their inconsistent
rhetoric as if it's perfectly normal. As you point out, their
It would be nice for some of our customers to allow users to add an
entry to their address book that would allow all spam to come
through...
We use *@example.com (everyone at one domain) and * (everyone at all
domains) in our custom app, which uses aliases.txt as a whitelist.
Descriptive Subject lines will get you much better answers, but
Scott's already gotten back to you.
Is there a way that if the sender is a recognized user of our mail
system to ignore all spam filters?
You mean if the sender impersonates a recognized user (like so many
spammers do)?
The question: Why PERCENT should be a sign for spam that recieve 50%
of the hold action in your default config file? Have I missed
something?
It would be very rare that a sender HAS to use source-routing such as
the % method, so the assumption is that anyone doing so is either
My question, is there a clean-up utility along the lines of
immsgexp.exe that can be directed to only work on selected
mailboxes?
Search archives first...just posted last week.
-Sandy
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It's for a project where we're running a name server with
spam-vertised domain names, IP Numbers and phone numbers. We have an
.exe to pick them out of emails, now we need to look them up on the
name server.
The ultimate goal would be to get the IP address of a spam-vertised
You are going to need a DLL to do this, ASP with VB does not provide
any of these functions by default. I believe if you use Simple DNS +
you will be able to interact with it via ASP and VB.
You can interact with MS DNS through DDNS (though there too, you'd
have to either shell with
The project is to set up a dns server to list spam-vertised domain
names, plus all of the opt-in services domain names.
Right. And are you successfully updating the name server at this
point? This was some of the confusion: some people were giving
suggestions for DNS server
Right again, but we want to use the native Windows API call, which
we know is there, for a few different reasons. We will also want
GetHostByAddr functionality incase we want to index spam-vertised IP
numbers.
Gotcha. So...
Sounds like the COM objects for ASP, and either COM or
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
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Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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monitoring/spyware,
which is in a sense its direct opposite.
-Sandy
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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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, but hard to unlearn--they think that RRs have no
false negatives).
-Sandy
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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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it).
-Sandy
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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
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if the
SendName is broken. Make sure all of your paths are correct as well,
and post your logs.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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ports through your fw for some reason?
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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SPAMCHK.
I would just warn everyone to be aware of the likelihood of false
positives, especially from well-behaved, even distinctly anti-spam,
sources.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress
Scott, does IMail do it's ip4r checking after the whole message is
received and the connection terminated or does check on the
HELO/EHLO and send an error code back to the remote server?
Hey, didn't I already answer this? :)
-Sandy
Sanford
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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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counterweighted account for exactly this purpose, then look at the
headers after it comes in.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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, and
automatically start scanning based on the IP of the mail server that
connected to the backup mail server. You can have up to 20 IPBYPASS
lines in the global.cfg file.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated
on incoming, while faster on outgoing, would also be
ugh-worthy.
Perhaps there's a more advanced logic that could be employed, though.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
e-mail
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Does that mean that Cisco firewalls can't be set up not to interfere
with SMTP transactions?
Nah, PIXes are fine with no smtp fixup.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
e-mail
be (relatively) handicapped.
-Sandy
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in application proxying (WatchGuard, etc.), its proxy
functions are not as well thought out.
-Sandy
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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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, worry about where the SendName comes
into the overall process flow. :)
-Sandy
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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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process as a beta tester for several versions.
-Sandy
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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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concerns (as clearly it was not), should be
avoided.
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wordy
sample is at http://webmail.cypressintegrated.com:8383. See the
SPAManager Settings areas.
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Password: blue
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
e-mail
be possible).
-Sandy
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Enjoy!
-Sandy
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Sorry...
Username: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Password: blue
(Forgot the cardinal rule for virtual domains!)
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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in the demo) in concert with Declude's REDIRECT command.
-Sandy
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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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to originally intended
subareas as they are stamped or stomped. Of course, you have mucho
associated disk I/O processing, locking issues, etc.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
e-mail: [EMAIL
and the
like) comes in, accompanied by lots of spam--yet none of the legit
mail needs to be read until the start of the working day.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
e-mail: [EMAIL
exposed
internally).
While some apps can't handle AUTH, is there some reason that you can't
relay by IP? Are these server IPs really changing all that much?
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems
from
what your appservers are doing, so you need to get some more
consistent results.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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available.
If you've been satisfied with IMail's configurability and performance
as a gateway, I'd say there's no (0.00%) chance that MS SMTP will
disappoint you in that function.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division
...or make a line in declude.junkmail which goes to a global file
where u change the settings for all of those having this profile
See the REDIRECT keyword.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress
having their
server just accept the mail to the original address? It's not like the
sender is in any way notified of the forward. Please explain further
if you wish.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress
; at least I can
sleep at night. I don't think that's so yesterday.
-Sandy
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was with your idea that *anyone* could/would do the same
if the money were right. Just because evil is a constant doesn't mean
it's universal (I hope).
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems
current setup) will be
offset to your benefit. Only your traffic patterns know for sure.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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approximately zero stock in tests this general. YMMV, I
suppose. Or perhaps you're not mentioning the aggregate threshold
you're going for before actual points are assigned.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division
that what most
sites need--maybe not yours, by a stroke of luck--is an all-in-one
test with intelligently computed weight, such as SPAMCHK or SNIFFER,
and not trying to make Declude's FILTER test more sensitive than it's
designed to be.
-Sandy
Sanford
swamped, you may not see them
running.
The question is why you're getting swamped, by what, whether a restart
helps, etc.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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, the
connecting IP remains the same even if WHITELIST AUTH is on--as logic
would predict, no?
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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you try with IMail Express and see what you think first? You
seem a prime candidate for WHITELIST AUTH, and it's painful to know
you're jumping through hoops to avoid that straightforward solution.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf
Not sure why Scott's server hates me :)
Maybe you should try non-HTML. ;)
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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universal UI essentially
impossible.
Once you're more precise in your vision of the functions you'd need,
you should post an official RFP to interested parties.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated
(IE if you have MAXWEIGHT 60, and the filter is at 55 points with
a line that would add 10 points, processing would stop with a weight
of 60, not 65).
Sounds like any negative weighting must be frontloaded in the filter
file, then?
-Sandy
Sanford
far from a Cygwin expert, I leave setting that part up to
you, but if anyone's interested in the Declude-compatible client EXE,
post back and let me know.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated
of the Cygwin layer.
-Sandy
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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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SPAMC32 -? for all the help you need to get this working
with Declude, which is easy. The hard part for most of you will be
setting up SPAMD; CYGWIN.TXT has some good pointers.
-Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division
, exit code and all.
-Sandy
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