[Declude.Virus] What are these
Q06634053002e6803 Error 183 creating temp directory F:\IMail\spool\D06634053002e6803.vir\. 10/25/2004 10:26:26 Q06634053002e6803 Scanned: Error starting scanner Thanks for the aid, running 1.81 --- Keith Johnson Senior Network Engineer Network Advocates, Inc. 9001 Shelbyville Road Burhans Hall, Suite 260 Louisville, KY 40228 TEL: 502.992.5928 FAX: 502.412.1058 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] What are these
Also, ERROR: Could not open recip file F:\IMail\spool\_08dc4c3a0030129f.~MD [2] Please advise to what this is, thanks, Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.Virus] What are these Q06634053002e6803 Error 183 creating temp directory F:\IMail\spool\D06634053002e6803.vir\. 10/25/2004 10:26:26 Q06634053002e6803 Scanned: Error starting scanner Thanks for the aid, running 1.81 --- Keith Johnson Senior Network Engineer Network Advocates, Inc. 9001 Shelbyville Road Burhans Hall, Suite 260 Louisville, KY 40228 TEL: 502.992.5928 FAX: 502.412.1058 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] What are these
Also getting: Q08b8153d00e2843a Couldn't rename SMD to SM$ [32]. Priority back to 32. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.Virus] What are these Q06634053002e6803 Error 183 creating temp directory F:\IMail\spool\D06634053002e6803.vir\. 10/25/2004 10:26:26 Q06634053002e6803 Scanned: Error starting scanner Thanks for the aid, running 1.81 --- Keith Johnson Senior Network Engineer Network Advocates, Inc. 9001 Shelbyville Road Burhans Hall, Suite 260 Louisville, KY 40228 TEL: 502.992.5928 FAX: 502.412.1058 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] What are these
Do you have an on-access scanner running? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] What are these Also, ERROR: Could not open recip file F:\IMail\spool\_08dc4c3a0030129f.~MD [2] Please advise to what this is, thanks, Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.Virus] What are these Q06634053002e6803 Error 183 creating temp directory F:\IMail\spool\D06634053002e6803.vir\. 10/25/2004 10:26:26 Q06634053002e6803 Scanned: Error starting scanner Thanks for the aid, running 1.81 --- Keith Johnson Senior Network Engineer Network Advocates, Inc. 9001 Shelbyville Road Burhans Hall, Suite 260 Louisville, KY 40228 TEL: 502.992.5928 FAX: 502.412.1058 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] What are these
Q06634053002e6803 Error 183 creating temp directory F:\IMail\spool\D06634053002e6803.vir\. 10/25/2004 10:26:26 Q06634053002e6803 Scanned: Error starting scanner That error means that the .vir directory already exists -- this will happen if IMail accidentally calls Declude multiple times. Although you will see the warnings in the log file, Declude will still function properly. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] What are these
John, Both are turned off, use F-prot (Realtime not install), Inoc turned off and Disabled. Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] What are these Do you have an on-access scanner running? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] What are these Also, ERROR: Could not open recip file F:\IMail\spool\_08dc4c3a0030129f.~MD [2] Please advise to what this is, thanks, Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.Virus] What are these Q06634053002e6803 Error 183 creating temp directory F:\IMail\spool\D06634053002e6803.vir\. 10/25/2004 10:26:26 Q06634053002e6803 Scanned: Error starting scanner Thanks for the aid, running 1.81 --- Keith Johnson Senior Network Engineer Network Advocates, Inc. 9001 Shelbyville Road Burhans Hall, Suite 260 Louisville, KY 40228 TEL: 502.992.5928 FAX: 502.412.1058 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] What are these
Scott, We are backing up in our Queue of about 8000 emails and we started seeing the below messages as well: Q08b8153d00e2843a Couldn't rename SMD to SM$ [32]. Priority back to 32. ERROR: Could not open recip file F:\IMail\spool\_08dc4c3a0030129f.~MD [2] Are these related? Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] What are these Q06634053002e6803 Error 183 creating temp directory F:\IMail\spool\D06634053002e6803.vir\. 10/25/2004 10:26:26 Q06634053002e6803 Scanned: Error starting scanner That error means that the .vir directory already exists -- this will happen if IMail accidentally calls Declude multiple times. Although you will see the warnings in the log file, Declude will still function properly. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] What are these
We are backing up in our Queue of about 8000 emails and we started seeing the below messages as well: Q08b8153d00e2843a Couldn't rename SMD to SM$ [32]. Priority back to 32. ERROR: Could not open recip file F:\IMail\spool\_08dc4c3a0030129f.~MD [2] Are these related? It almost certainly is related. Those warnings can occur if there are multiple Declude processes trying to handle the same E-mail. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.Virus] Re:Alternative to Imail
Scott, What other MTA's do you support or intend to support in the near future with Declude like functionality? Can you suggest one other than Imail? -Nick - --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
You have been strangely quiet. Are you in shock or formulating a plan -- hopefully the latter? Although I will admit to shock (disbelief would be a more appropriate term) when I first heard about this. I didn't think that Ipswitch would actually do it. But they did. As for formulating a plan, that is in the works. But a lot will depend on whether Ipswitch is smart enough to fix the problem, or whether they truly isolate the majority of their loyal customers. It may be too early to ask, but what does the future hold for Declude/Imail or Declude and _ mail server product (fill in the blank)? It's too early to say. A lot will depend on how Ipswitch responds to their customers -- I can't imagine that they will completely ignore this. A business can't survive by destroying a loyal customer base, when they have the product to offer. But I can definitely say this: Declude isn't going to go away, no matter what Ipswitch may do. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
That's great to hear. I've only stayed with Imail as long as I have because of Declude. I quit upgrading after 7.15 and let my Imail SA lapse. I'll be installing Exchange in a few months and will use my Imail/Declude setup as a front end to isolate the Exchange server from the Internet and plan to add Declude Anti-Spam at that time. If you create a standalone product that will replace my present Imail/Declude setup I'll be ecstatic (unless you pull and Ipswitch and charge an arm and a leg). R. Scott Perry wrote: But I can definitely say this: Declude isn't going to go away, no matter what Ipswitch may do. -- Dan Shadix IT Systems Administrator Terry Reilly Health Services --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.Virus] passworded zip file
Declude 1.81 virus standard A client reguarly receives a passworded .zip file. A similiar file is batch sent to 100's of others - the sender cant/wont change the way they send these files. The file is always received from the same sender using the same ip address We havebeen using virus_domains.txt to bypass our clients email being scanned for virus'suntil very recently, but has found several virus's have recently got thru their own anti virus software Is there any way of declude virus whitelisting either the senders email address or ip address for email being sentto our client? - I have added the IP address to be whitelisted in global.cfg but it still deletes what it believes to be an infected file 10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Found encrypted .ZIP file10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Scanned: Banned file extension. [MIME: 3 5031]10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Couldn't open E-mail file C:\IMail\Declude\BANnotify.eml.10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Subject: ---Confidential MOE CSV File for pay period 315[23/10/2004 17:56:27] tks Peter
Re: [Declude.Virus] passworded zip file
A client reguarly receives a passworded .zip file. A similiar file is batch sent to 100's of others - the sender cant/wont change the way they send these files. That would have been fine -- until March, 2004, when there was yet another change to the way E-mail needs to be handled. If they send encrypted .ZIP files, they need to either rename the extension (which may be only a temporary solution), find another method to send the E-mail (perhaps an unencrypted .ZIP file with the encrypted .ZIP file in it), or accept that some of their E-mails will be blocked. It's important to remember that sending attachments via E-mail is a hack -- FTP is the protocol designed specifically for transferring files. The file is always received from the same sender using the same ip address We have been using virus_domains.txt to bypass our clients email being scanned for virus's until very recently, but has found several virus's have recently got thru their own anti virus software Is there any way of declude virus whitelisting either the senders email address or ip address for email being sent to our client? - I have added the IP address to be whitelisted in global.cfg but it still deletes what it believes to be an infected file Note that the global.cfg file only affects Declude JunkMail (not Declude Virus). There isn't any way to whitelist users or IPs in Declude Virus. If users want to have potentially dangerous E-mail delivered to them, they need to run AV software that meets their needs. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
Scott, I accept that Declude isn't going away, but I've dumped a lot of money into building my service around both Declude and IMail, and as things stand at the moment, I don't have $4,000 to dump on their new product just so that I can get updates for the things that they have managed to break and not fix. If you are working on another MTA, then let's hear it! As things stand at the moment, it looks like I have no other choice but to switch to another platform, and it would be best to know what your plans are before I start making my own. My gut tells me that even if I threw Ipswitch another $4,000, nothing would really change with them except for the damn price, and I really, really hate being taken advantage of. Maybe you are confident about your plans for the future, but not knowing them, how could I be. Thanks, Matt R. Scott Perry wrote: You have been strangely quiet. Are you in shock or formulating a plan -- hopefully the latter? Although I will admit to shock (disbelief would be a more appropriate term) when I first heard about this. I didn't think that Ipswitch would actually do it. But they did. As for formulating a plan, that is in the works. But a lot will depend on whether Ipswitch is smart enough to fix the problem, or whether they truly isolate the majority of their loyal customers. It may be too early to ask, but what does the future hold for Declude/Imail or Declude and _ mail server product (fill in the blank)? It's too early to say. A lot will depend on how Ipswitch responds to their customers -- I can't imagine that they will completely ignore this. A business can't survive by destroying a loyal customer base, when they have the product to offer. But I can definitely say this: Declude isn't going to go away, no matter what Ipswitch may do. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] passworded zip file
Switch to BANEZIPEXTS ON and remove BANEXT EZIP from your config and then it will only block password protected zip files that contain a file with one of your banned extensions. Currently the viruses are only coming in as EXE, SCR, PIF and COM files within these password protected zips, so make sure that these file types are in your BANEXT list. This will allow through all other types of files within the encrypted zips, including the CSV file that your client wants to receive. Matt Peter Lowish wrote: Declude 1.81 virus standard A client reguarly receives a passworded .zip file. A similiar file is batch sent to 100's of others - the sender cant/wont change the way they send these files. The file is always received from the same sender using the same ip address We havebeen using virus_domains.txt to bypass our clients email being scanned for virus'suntil very recently, but has found several virus's have recently got thru their own anti virus software Is there any way of declude virus whitelisting either the senders email address or ip address for email being sentto our client? - I have added the IP address to be whitelisted in global.cfg but it still deletes what it believes to be an infected file 10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Found encrypted .ZIP file 10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Scanned: Banned file extension. [MIME: 3 5031] 10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Couldn't open E-mail file C:\IMail\Declude\BANnotify.eml. 10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Subject: ---Confidential MOE CSV File for pay period 315[23/10/2004 17:56:27] tks Peter -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: [Declude.Virus] passworded zip file
create a special mailbox for your client let him use it only for that file useper-user config in declude virus proto whitelist (turn declude virus off) on that particular mailbox use imail rules to delete all mails to that mailbox that does not have the sender address and ip in the header - Original Message - From: Peter Lowish To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: [Declude.Virus] passworded zip file Declude 1.81 virus standard A client reguarly receives a passworded .zip file. A similiar file is batch sent to 100's of others - the sender cant/wont change the way they send these files. The file is always received from the same sender using the same ip address We havebeen using virus_domains.txt to bypass our clients email being scanned for virus'suntil very recently, but has found several virus's have recently got thru their own anti virus software Is there any way of declude virus whitelisting either the senders email address or ip address for email being sentto our client? - I have added the IP address to be whitelisted in global.cfg but it still deletes what it believes to be an infected file 10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Found encrypted .ZIP file10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Scanned: Banned file extension. [MIME: 3 5031]10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Couldn't open E-mail file C:\IMail\Declude\BANnotify.eml.10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]10/23/2004 17:59:24 Qe52c1aeb008a6cf6 Subject: ---Confidential MOE CSV File for pay period 315[23/10/2004 17:56:27] tks Peter
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
ditto looking seriously to moving to exim (unix, www.exim.org, free), or more likely, Mdaemon (windows platform, supports sniffer) knowing if declude is planning to interface with another product will probably help me make the decision - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? Scott, I accept that Declude isn't going away, but I've dumped a lot of money into building my service around both Declude and IMail, and as things stand at the moment, I don't have $4,000 to dump on their new product just so that I can get updates for the things that they have managed to break and not fix. If you are working on another MTA, then let's hear it! As things stand at the moment, it looks like I have no other choice but to switch to another platform, and it would be best to know what your plans are before I start making my own. My gut tells me that even if I threw Ipswitch another $4,000, nothing would really change with them except for the damn price, and I really, really hate being taken advantage of. Maybe you are confident about your plans for the future, but not knowing them, how could I be. Thanks, Matt R. Scott Perry wrote: You have been strangely quiet. Are you in shock or formulating a plan -- hopefully the latter? Although I will admit to shock (disbelief would be a more appropriate term) when I first heard about this. I didn't think that Ipswitch would actually do it. But they did. As for formulating a plan, that is in the works. But a lot will depend on whether Ipswitch is smart enough to fix the problem, or whether they truly isolate the majority of their loyal customers. It may be too early to ask, but what does the future hold for Declude/Imail or Declude and _ mail server product (fill in the blank)? It's too early to say. A lot will depend on how Ipswitch responds to their customers -- I can't imagine that they will completely ignore this. A business can't survive by destroying a loyal customer base, when they have the product to offer. But I can definitely say this: Declude isn't going to go away, no matter what Ipswitch may do. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
See http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ And http://www.ipswitch.com/forums/messages.aspx?ForumID=10 Ipswitch is abandoning Imail for their new Collaboration Suite. Fritz Frederick P. Squib, Jr. Network Operations/Mail Administrator Citizens Telephone Company of Kecksburg http://www.wpa.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\- against microsoft attachments -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Matuska Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? Ok, I think I missed something here. What is everyone talking about here, is Imail prohibiting add on's such as declude in future versions (I sure hope not), is declude launching a new version for another platform? The panic level just went up with those last few emails. Jim - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? You have been strangely quiet. Are you in shock or formulating a plan -- hopefully the latter? Although I will admit to shock (disbelief would be a more appropriate term) when I first heard about this. I didn't think that Ipswitch would actually do it. But they did. As for formulating a plan, that is in the works. But a lot will depend on whether Ipswitch is smart enough to fix the problem, or whether they truly isolate the majority of their loyal customers. It may be too early to ask, but what does the future hold for Declude/Imail or Declude and _ mail server product (fill in the blank)? It's too early to say. A lot will depend on how Ipswitch responds to their customers -- I can't imagine that they will completely ignore this. A business can't survive by destroying a loyal customer base, when they have the product to offer. But I can definitely say this: Declude isn't going to go away, no matter what Ipswitch may do. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned by Citizens Internet Services with Declude Virus.] --- [This E-mail scanned by Citizens Internet Services with Declude Virus.] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[2]: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
What is everyone talking about here, is Imail prohibiting add on's such as declude in future versions No. is declude launching a new version for another platform? It is, as ever, hoped-for but not confirmed. The panic level just went up with those last few emails. It sure did, and despite Ipswitch's scurrilous tactics, I'm not sure exactly why so many people are panicking, declaring that they (the sysadmins) are outta here and running out to find another MTA. If you're running 8.1x or 7.1x and are satisfied with its performance as the wrapper for great add-ons such as Declude (and in turn for Sniffer, etc.), then why all the make-work? Sure, it's never good to be faced with the knowledge that your relationship with a given vendor will be over when you _do_ want more features, but the argument for this overnight or near-term migration only makes sense if you have a current, spec'd out need for a new feature that (a) is in ICS, but therefore beyond budget within the Ipswitch product line, or (b) is not in ICS, but must be found immediately nonetheless. A couple of posters have implied that they will move to Exchange, since their last best chance to avoid that move (a cheap ICS) hasn't been met; this makes sense as in option (a). Someone expecting needing envelope-level anti-spam rejections might move on as in option (b). But wherefore all the other cut-and-run posts? We're only now moving some of our last Novell 4.11 shops over to non-Novell OSs, and these clients have known for a shocking number of years that they would not be using NetWare when the time came to move on. Were we all angry at Novell for abandoning us when 5 and 6 both (in our opinions) sucked? Yes. Did _we_ abandon _them_ in revenge, when maintaining their most recent release didn't cost a thing? Certainly not overnight. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
Sandy, So what do you do when the next IMail exploit pops up such as that LDAP exploit and you have no way to fix the bug? Can a serious business even take the risk of this happening? No. I can't see myself on IMail for any more than a year from now. Matt Sanford Whiteman wrote: What is everyone talking about here, is Imail prohibiting add on's such as declude in future versions No. is declude launching a new version for another platform? It is, as ever, hoped-for but not confirmed. The panic level just went up with those last few emails. It sure did, and despite Ipswitch's scurrilous tactics, I'm not sure exactly why so many people are panicking, declaring that they (the sysadmins) are "outta here" and running out to find another MTA. If you're running 8.1x or 7.1x and are satisfied with its performance as the "wrapper" for great add-ons such as Declude (and in turn for Sniffer, etc.), then why all the make-work? Sure, it's never good to be faced with the knowledge that your relationship with a given vendor will be over when you _do_ want more features, but the argument for this overnight or near-term migration only makes sense if you have a current, spec'd out need for a new feature that (a) is in ICS, but therefore beyond budget within the Ipswitch product line, or (b) is not in ICS, but must be found immediately nonetheless. A couple of posters have implied that they will move to Exchange, since their last best chance to avoid that move (a cheap ICS) hasn't been met; this makes sense as in option (a). Someone expecting needing envelope-level anti-spam rejections might move on as in option (b). But wherefore all the other cut-and-run posts? We're only now moving some of our last Novell 4.11 shops over to non-Novell OSs, and these clients have known for a shocking number of years that they would not be using NetWare when the time came to move on. Were we all angry at Novell for abandoning us when 5 and 6 both (in our opinions) sucked? Yes. Did _we_ abandon _them_ in revenge, when maintaining their most recent release didn't cost a thing? Certainly not overnight. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.Virus".The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
Sandy, I'm not going to debate whether or not the 'sky is blue' with you, but please don't paint by inference that I'm jumping the gun by contemplating a very likely change of platforms within the next year. Scott and the management at Declude might want to continue their silence regarding target platforms, but they need to make it known before I make a conscious choice in order to have a better chance of keeping my business, and I would think that it would be in their best interest to let others know as well because it is clear in the IMail list that people are making choices rather quickly. Sure, IMail 8 and Declude as a pair will limp along for some time, but they are dead-end products at the moment. Even if Ipswitch changes their tune, I no longer trust them and I won't be making myself a victim to a potential screwing at some point down the line. My mail server will no doubt be changing, and I need to choose a new gateway and mail server to replace them. The good news is that I just saved myself the money that I was going to send to Ipswitch for a new service agreement :) This is the most ungraceful upgrade path that a piece of software has ever seen when you consider all the choices, and I've seen some rather hefty changes such as the WebTrends path to becoming an expensive niche analytics company. Ipswitch will probably manage the transition fairly well, keeping say 1 out of 10 subscribers, but it will doom their product to take themselves out of the mainstream in this way considering that their pricing now makes them appear not much different than Exchange, and doing so in a time when capable products are coming up that are cheaper or even free. I have a memory for people and companies that try to screw me, and this upgrade path is a screw if I've ever seen one, and they will never get another dime from me unless the management is forced out that made these choices. Consider that to be a personal observation and preference, so the sky is definitely blue. Matt Matt Sanford Whiteman wrote: So what do you do when the next IMail exploit pops up such as that LDAP exploit and you have no way to fix the bug? Can a serious business even take the risk of this happening? There's no evidence to suggest that security-related patches will not be made available for old versions, as evidenced repeatedly in the pattern of moves from 5-6, 6-7, and 7-8. The particular exploit you mentioned is in a component of IMail that is now open-source, and so by definition can always be patched. Furthermore, using IMail simply as a wrapper for Declude gives you only one possible attack vector (SMTPD) in a module which essentially hasn't changed in several years (SMTPD retains its old, non-multithreaded code, despite QUEUEMGR's improvements on the delivery side). Such patterns may change, but telling our IMail clients that we're choosing them a new product _now_ would be an admittance of a sheer lack of control. I'd prefer that the development of, for example, a new Declude MTA or preferred MTA integration not be paced by user panic. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.Virus".The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
