Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Uncluttering the LibreOffice Writer menus

2011-10-16 Thread RGB ES
2011/10/16 satchitb satch...@gmail.com For instance, when I said that we should scrap Paragraph, I didn't mean that the functions of Paragraph (which are most essential) should go; rather, I meant that it doesn't require a menu entry, and its functions can be performed contextually when

Re: [libreoffice-design] Uncluttering the LibreOffice Writer menus

2011-10-15 Thread RGB ES
(comments in-line) 2011/10/15 satchitb satch...@gmail.com snip 3. Paste Special must go. Regular Paste works with plain and rich text, images and all other types. If not, it should. Paste special is used when you copy rich text format and want to paste unformatted text to avoid formatting

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Issue with new bug reporting assistant

2011-09-25 Thread RGB ES
2011/9/25 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Hi, Alexander Wilms wrote on 2011-09-24 17:34: I just noticed that when I open http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/bug/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/, Firefox shows the message 'This connection isn't trusted'. I

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: About the Navigator

2011-09-24 Thread RGB ES
2011/9/24 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Ricardo, hi Frank! Am Freitag, den 23.09.2011, 23:38 +0200 schrieb RGB ES: 2011/9/23 frankt f.inter...@esprit-ouvert.org Hi all, Is the discussion or proposal closed? AFAIK, the discussion is not closed. Maybe forgotten

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: About the Navigator

2011-09-23 Thread RGB ES
2011/9/23 frankt f.inter...@esprit-ouvert.org Hi all, Is the discussion or proposal closed? AFAIK, the discussion is not closed. Maybe forgotten, but not closed ;) I've just started using LibO after many years of using OOo, and my experience with the navigator is such that I am

[libreoffice-design] About indexes

2011-08-06 Thread RGB ES
This is not really a proposal (I do not know how this should be implemented) but a starting point for a discussion. Indexes and Table of Contents have several limitations on Writer. The most obvious is the inability to honour certain formatting on the headings (for example, if you insert a

Re: [libreoffice-design] [proposal] Dark application background

2011-07-14 Thread RGB ES
2011/7/15 Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.com: Ricardo, Already possible: Tools → Options → LibreOffice → Appearance → change Application background from Default to your preferred colour. If you need a different colour define a new one under Tool → Options → LibreOffice → Colors: your

Re: [libreoffice-design] Page numbers on background

2011-06-23 Thread RGB ES
on the document, but mainly A4 and A5 3. No, never. I only use full-screen for movies :) 4. Yes. I have several complex documents and I need to see both, main text and appendixes, for example. A split screen would make me reconsider point 3... @RGB ES/Mirek: Which page number? The physical page

Re: [libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface!

2011-06-19 Thread RGB ES
2011/6/19 Budislav Stepanov budo345li...@gmail.com: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/d/d0/New_libre_office_concept.png -- To incorporate app elements on the window decoration is something that could start a bit of debate, I think. For my part, I'm against of this client side

Re: [libreoffice-design] Design Tenets Proposal

2011-06-19 Thread RGB ES
2011/6/19 jlopez777 jlopez...@gmail.com: We come back to these great points but what is lacking is proper infrastructure and channels of operation. We speak of users with no data to back up with anything and most importantly, no brand identity. Nothing will come forth from this type of

Re: [libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface!

2011-06-19 Thread RGB ES
2011/6/19 Budislav Stepanov budo345li...@gmail.com: Of course it looks like MSO, LO now looks like MSO 2003:). Everyone should take part in this, I just gave a suggestion. @ Ricardo - I do not understand what is so special in the current interface and so well that it should not be changed, is

Re: [libreoffice-design] Design Tenets Proposal

2011-06-18 Thread RGB ES
2011/6/17 Scott Pledger scottpledger2...@gmail.com: Hey all, One thing that I've noticed is that we have a lot of great redesign proposals floating around, but we have yet to establish a true direction for the Libre Office platform.  Someone recently posted this video (

Re: [libreoffice-design] Templates, styles, outline and bullets/numbering

2011-05-26 Thread RGB ES
2011/5/27 Octavio Alvarez alvar...@alvarezp.ods.org: If I apply a paragraph style and then a list style, do these subsequently override the indent. Are they hierarchical so no matter what later change I make to the paragraph style my override by the last applied list style maintains the

Re: [libreoffice-design] [UX] Inherited attributes on linked styles

2011-05-25 Thread RGB ES
Here it is another iteration on this idea https://sites.google.com/site/rgbmldcwriterideas/parent-style-2b.png I used the Font tab as example, but I think the concept can be extended. What do you think? Cheers Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting

[libreoffice-design] Inherited attributes on linked styles

2011-05-19 Thread RGB ES
Here I am again with some of my draft ideas about Writer ;) Linked styles are one of those features that makes Writer Really Great: to set up a chain of styles that inherits some characteristics from a parent style helps a lot when you build a complex document. But this feature, in the way it is

Re: [libreoffice-design] Status of the Design Team Kick-Off, and a Personal Note

2011-05-05 Thread RGB ES
2011/5/5 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com: Hi all, sorry (in advance) for sending personal stuff to this list. But I think it might be helpful to know that you can enjoy some weeks without my bothering mails :-))) Here are the details:

Re: [libreoffice-design] Templates, styles, outline and bullets/numbering

2011-04-29 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/29 Greg greg.lu...@gmail.com: 2011/4/28 Greg greg.lu...@gmail.com: Hi, I believe Writer's template, style, outline and numbering facilities are in need of a rethink. The areas I think are weak, and this is by no means a full list, are: - The template organiser dialogue - who

Re: [libreoffice-design] Questions about style name

2011-04-29 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/29 Michel RENON michel.re...@free.fr: Le 26/04/11 22:04, Christoph Noack a écrit : Hi, [...] We discussed this issue many times at OOo, and I came to the following (personal) conclusion; we need ...       * a more sensible selection of styles (e.g. attach the list styles        

Re: [libreoffice-design] Templates, styles, outline and bullets/numbering

2011-04-28 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/28 Greg greg.lu...@gmail.com: Hi, I believe Writer's template, style, outline and numbering facilities are in need of a rethink. The areas I think are weak, and this is by no means a full list, are: - The template organiser dialogue - who knows how to use it and what it's really for?

Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?)

2011-04-28 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/28 Kohei Yoshida kyosh...@novell.com: On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 10:49 -0600, Scott Pledger wrote: One thing that we may wish to look into is using the same concept as the Chromium project does - pulling colors in from the user's native desktop environment, but not necessarily using those

Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Page styles

2011-04-27 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/27 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com: Hi Ricardo, all! Am Mittwoch, den 27.04.2011, 16:33 +0200 schrieb RGB ES: 2011/4/27 Rafael Rocha Daud rwr...@yahoo.com.br: I think the advantage on Ricardo's idea is that you create a header/footer that comes to existence already filled

Re: [libreoffice-design] Questions about style name

2011-04-26 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/26 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com: Hi, please allow me to quickly add my thoughts ... Am Montag, den 25.04.2011, 13:18 +0200 schrieb RGB ES: 2011/4/25 Michel RENON michel.re...@free.fr: Hi, Few days ago, there was a discussion about the style name : http

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/26 Scott Pledger scottpledger2...@gmail.com: Purely out of curiosity, how many people here prefer that the user's default environment theme (GTK, Qt, etc.) be applied to LibreOffice versus how many would rather see LibreOffice get its own look independent of the desktop environment?

Re: [libreoffice-design] Mouse click actions on Styles and Format window

2011-04-26 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/26 Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com: On 27/04/11 8:25 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: Still the point is - why do people need to add more styles? I think the number of styles is quite sufficient, but maybe the defaults are unwanted ... don't know. Since discovering styles I use

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/26 Cyril Arnaud cyril.arn...@gmail.com: Personally I don't mind really. OK it's nice to be consistent with the desktop but you can't please every single desktop standard right ? I would rather see a Libreoffice look than a KDE or Gnome one, as long as the UI is fresh and efficient :)

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

2011-04-25 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/25 Astron heinzless...@googlemail.com: Hey Ricardo,      * What happens for different objects with the same properties        dialog? For example, the user edits Text Style 1 and does some        changes. Well, right now this is not possible: when you open the first dialogue

Re: [libreoffice-design] special process for urgent ux items ?

2011-04-25 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/25 Michel RENON michel.re...@free.fr: Hi, As a LibreOffice user, I feel changes are too slow... ;-) So, beside the current organisation of UX group, I asked myself if it be possible to work on urgent/easy items ? The idea would be to (try to) resolve some UI/UX problems in

Re: [libreoffice-design] Questions about style name

2011-04-25 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/25 Michel RENON michel.re...@free.fr: Hi, Few days ago, there was a discussion about the style name : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg01436.html As I've been teaching the basic of OpenOffice 2 or 3 years ago, I can confirm that the idea of style sheet is not

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Little problem with the Vegur font

2011-04-25 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/25 drew d...@baseanswers.com: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 16:17 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Marc, * Marc Paré schrieb: Hi Bernhard [...] So, should we then advise the different language marketing groups to make use of the Mplus fonts for their design and content until the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Little problem with the Vegur font

2011-04-25 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/25 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com: Indeed! I'll do a first review for the later today. Thanks again, Drew! I mean, a first review for the text -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Little problem with the Vegur font

2011-04-25 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/25 drew d...@baseanswers.com: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 17:17 +0200, RGB ES wrote: 2011/4/25 drew d...@baseanswers.com: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 16:17 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Marc, * Marc Paré schrieb: Hi Bernhard [...] So, should we then advise the different

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Little problem with the Vegur font

2011-04-25 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/25 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com: Hi Ricardo: Some points I would like to express: Le 2011-04-25 12:43, RGB ES a écrit : As a first step I did a mix between the Spanish text and a translation from the English cover. The resulting text is more compact, I think. There is no need

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-25 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/26 Cyril Arnaud cyril.arn...@gmail.com: Most user I encountered (not that much, so there is no statistics behind this observation) are doing fine because they look around, search, experiment. But some users are afraid of searching, testing. That's why I find the Symphony's UI

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

2011-04-24 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/24 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com:      * What happens for different objects with the same properties        dialog? For example, the user edits Text Style 1 and does some        changes. Well, right now this is not possible: when you open the first dialogue everything else in

Re: [libreoffice-design] Little problem with the Vegur font

2011-04-24 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/24 drew d...@baseanswers.com: Hola Amigos, Alright here is the problem, visually: http://lo-portal.us/temp/na-dvd-case-es-04-11-24.png Ouch! That is the first pass of an Español version of the DVD cover. Thanks! Examples of the problem can be seen in the words: Versión and

Re: [libreoffice-design] A picker for symbols

2011-04-23 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/23 planas jsloz...@gmail.com: On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:54 +0200, RGB ES wrote: 2011/4/22 Vamsi Kodali vms...@gmail.com: I'm thinking now on something more complex, a sort of evolution from ComposeSpecialCharacter extension that can be called QuickSymbol: suppose a menu where you

Re: [libreoffice-design] A picker for symbols

2011-04-22 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/21 Vamsi Kodali vms...@gmail.com: Even if I also use special characters a lot, I think that this request is best suited for an extension than for a core feature. I am not sure if I agree with that, but I will happily settle with an extension :-) I would like to help draft a

Re: [libreoffice-design] A picker for symbols

2011-04-22 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/22 Vamsi Kodali vms...@gmail.com: I'm thinking now on something more complex, a sort of evolution from ComposeSpecialCharacter extension that can be called QuickSymbol: suppose a menu where you can select your more used symbols, put them on a table and assign to them an alias, something

[libreoffice-design] Page styles

2011-04-22 Thread RGB ES
There is one thing that it is strange about page styles when you edit them, specially for new users: it is possible to decide if a particular page style have or not headers or footers... but you cannot decide about the *content* of those headers or footers. That content must be applied directly on

Re: [libreoffice-design] A picker for symbols

2011-04-21 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/21 Vamsi Kodali vkkod...@gmail.com: I suggested this idea to the OOo developers some time ago. I believe no one is working on it though (Unfortunately, I cannot contribute anything in terms of code). So, this is my second try. Hopefully, this time I will be more successful. As a

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

2011-04-19 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/19 planas jsloz...@gmail.com: On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 14:56 +0200, Sparkling Specks wrote: Hi, In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in dialogs, Apply, to apply changes made in dialogues without closing the dialogue. This new button means that now there are five

Re: [libreoffice-design] About the Navigator

2011-04-16 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/13 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com: I made a quick draft summarizing the discussion on this thread: https://sites.google.com/site/rgbmldcwriterideas/home/navigator/navigator-en.odt?attredirects=0d=1 I reduced everything to three proposals: - Change the tree view behaviour - Reorganizing

Re: [libreoffice-design] About the Navigator

2011-04-12 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/11 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com: Ricardo, may I ask you to do me a favor? Could you please summarize the things we've discussed so far - being usability issues - as an Easy Hack (show headings drop-down, double-click behavior)? I currently really lack the time to do so :-( The

Re: [libreoffice-design] About the Navigator

2011-04-11 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/11 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com: Ricardo, may I ask you to do me a favor? Could you please summarize the things we've discussed so far - being usability issues - as an Easy Hack (show headings drop-down, double-click behavior)? I currently really lack the time to do so :-( The

Re: [libreoffice-design] About the Navigator

2011-03-20 Thread RGB ES
schrieb RGB ES: 2011/3/19 Irmhild Rogalla irmhild.roga...@institut-pi.de: good idea. I know and use the navigator, because I used go-OO for a long time, it's very useful. I like your improvement, but for me it seems to be better, if the levels have the same (small) font size. Because my

[libreoffice-design] About the Navigator

2011-03-19 Thread RGB ES
A few ideas about how to improve the already wonderful Navigator: https://sites.google.com/site/rgbmldcwriterideas/home/navigator What do you think? Cheers Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ ***

Re: [libreoffice-design] About the Navigator

2011-03-19 Thread RGB ES
2011/3/19 Irmhild Rogalla irmhild.roga...@institut-pi.de: good idea. I know and use the navigator, because I used go-OO for a long time, it's very useful. I like your improvement, but for me it seems to be better, if the levels have the same (small) font size. Because my experience is, that

[libreoffice-design] Default values

2011-03-07 Thread RGB ES
I'm starting to gather some ideas about better defaults on Writer: https://sites.google.com/site/rgbmldcwriterideas/home/default-values What do you think? (I mean, beside my bad English... ;) ) Cheers Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive:

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] fdo#31251 - Improve default page layout

2011-03-06 Thread RGB ES
Agree: I prefer no shadow at all, specially if it means more system resourced used to no real usability gain. Shadows make sense only when you need to visually separate between stacked elements on a multi element UI like a desktop, but LibO UI is *single* document. And even if multiple document UI

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-02-26 Thread RGB ES
I can see a problem on this discussion: a sans serif i should not have, ehr, serifs... I mean, the i on a sans serif font should NOT have horizontal lines, and because of that it cannot be combined with the f. A sans serif ligature between two f is Ok but it is wrong between an f and an i: the