Hi K-J, Marc, all,
On 2 February 2013 13:24, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote:
Page not found
Strange, my browser has no problem finding it..?
In any case, the current icons there are normal LibreOffice icons for
Writer, Calc, Impress [...] in the format 40px*48px.
The
Hi all,
My conclusion is that no decision should be drawn based on guessing and
personal preferences.
Another aspect of this is that any preferences users might currently
hold tell us nothing about how well an interface eventually works for
users. All the current study tells us about is the
Hi Björn,
On 30 January 2013 20:18, Björn Balazs bjoern.bal...@user-prompt.com wrote:
You haven't: We did an expert rating (that what I wrote - and to add
some more flesh to it:) with two experts (Heiko and me) working
independently and discussing were categorization differed.
Not sure if
Hi Thibaut, Heiko
On 29 January 2013 23:04, Thibaut Brandscheid randal...@web.de wrote:
Hi Astron
Thanks for your detailed answer. I can't promise to do the data analysis in
the wiki but will have a look at it.
Thanks! I have uploaded the file to
Hi Heiko,
@Astron: I was looking for OO's tracking results some time ago. The data is
not accessible anymore. It would be great to have good data to analyse and
even better if it comes from LO.
Oh. Didn't check the link if it's still available. Sorry. I still have
copy on my local disk,
Hi Björn,
Sorry for stepping in here. The results are just what it says in the
post. Yes, we did an analysis of data that was not gathered for this
kind of analysis in the first place. As it cannot be used to proof any
hypothesis (no statistical study can anyhow - read Popper on this
topic)
Hi Wolfgang, all,
On 30 January 2013 18:37, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:
MS has always been at the antipode of ergonomics. And they keep moving
in the *wrong* direction. Ribbons as well as the totally ridiculous
Windows 8 GUI - try to accomplish *any* work with it, you'll rather end
Hi Thibaut,
this all looks really, really nice. I haven't read everything yet, but
I wanted to comment on some things at least:
1. Needed UI elements
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[...]
Image: http://ubuntuone.com/7TZkH1e7vo88B637NEIjEc
Well, the interesting thing is that we actually have data about how
Hi everyone who's submitted a branding proposal,
I've just noticed there's been a bit of an oversight in our whiteboard
– it says nowhere that you should include a source file (preferably
SVG) with your proposal. So, if you're made a proposal and you're
reading this, please upload your source
Hi all,
Re: this:
Not sure the whole 3D part is such a good idea... ?
Indeed we tend to promote rather simplistic interfaces and elements. The
whole 3D part makes me think of an old fashion design.
Javier, I'd invite you to read our branding guidelines (they are
linked from the Whiteboard
Hi all,
just before Christmas [1], Björn wrote a nice blog post about our new
save icon and how it fails to convey its meaning...
http://user-prompt.com/about-antiquated-metaphors-in-icons/
I guess we need to discuss reverting to the diskette icon... What do you think?
Astron.
[1] I didn't
Hi Steve,
On 8 January 2013 23:52, SteveBell steveb...@gulli.com wrote:
I disagree. Facebook is a real problem and voicing general concerns with the
idea behind Facebook is legit and honest.
Sure, but doing that in your first post might leave a weird impression.
Also, I don't really see how
Hi Pedro,
I guess I am the culprit. The thing is, most of what I did was
recolouring Andrea's splash screen a bit to better fit our branding
colours. So no real need to credit me...
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Hi Pedro,
Ok. So I'll give credits to Andrea.
Good.
In any case it would probably make sense to have the svg publicly available
here
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements
It is still in my Dropbox:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/shadow-intro-source.zip
...
Hello all,
I won't be there for the chat now. In any case, here's the ESC update:
+ please keep using the Windows button order on dialogues converted to UI files
+ ftr, that order is: [OK][Cancel] (or more generally: [primary
button][secondary button])
+ at some point in the future, Caolan
Hi Rob, all,
here's a link to an HTML mockup:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/feedback/feedback-page.html
Note a few things:
* there's probably a lot that can still be done with the design
(albeit this one has already taken me embarrassingly long, or at least
longer than I hoped)
*
Hi Dieter,
On 26 October 2012 13:31, Dieter Strzempek d.strzem...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi everyone,
im designing new templates for impress. when i use a radial, color
gradiation in the backgound, and export the presentation to a pdf, i get a
bad result.
the gradiation in the pdf looks like a dart
Hi Alex,
are there any updates on the icon? Or something we should help with?
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Hi Olivier, all,
just about the Burmese font bit: that's not the in-development
feature. Rather than that, it is likely some sort of PackageKit
integration where LibO notices it isn't yet have a package for a
Burmese font installed and then asks you about that. (But, I have to
admit I wondered
Hi Lars,
I guess you should mail the developers mailing list, since the design
team doesn't deal with the underlying technology that much.
the address of that list is libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, by the way.
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Hi Nicholas,
I am taking the liberty to add the design list into CC here...
Astron.
On 27 August 2012 16:58, Nicholas Shanks nicksha...@nickshanks.com wrote:
Since I am unable to compile LO, I figured I would work on the artwork a bit.
I noticed that the Windows .ico files included a 256px
Hi Sveinn,
it's probably worth noting that you don't have to ruin your icon set
any more to try out different icons in LibreOffice 3.6.
What you need to do, is go to the folder where there images_*.zip are
stored, and create a new folder there, with the same name as the
corresponding zip file.
Hello blackcrack,
please note that our mailing list uses English as the working
language, so (in the interest of all the not-so-German-enabled) it'd
be a good idea to use that instead.
In any case, we recognise that the toolbars of the Windows version of
LibreOffice 3.6 may not look perfect and
Hi Klaus-Jürgen,
We have a big, big mistake with our Splash screen [4]:
It don't follow our own branding [1] and guidelines because the
LibreOffice without TDF isn't in one line with the logo. Andrea's will do
[5].
There's not so much to worry,
* There are two versions each of the splash
Hi Alex,
they're in. :)
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-3-6id=01e1714d0cb613cb192c7dc8e997789ec1aa73aa
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Hi Björn,
sorry for not doing anything on Userweave these past days ... I was
updating splash screens and such... will try to get back to the icon
testing thing next week or so.
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Hello Björn,
here's a couple of proposals for icons to test:
* the Styles and Formatting icon (especially the one in Tango)
* the Save icon (diskettes, cabinets, hard drives ... do users find
this confusing?)
* the metaphor of the Format paintbrush
* Crop (present only in Impress/Draw) – we use a
Hi Alex,
Overall: great. I like the coloured accent very much.
There are a couple things, though:
#1 Would you mind removing the small-caps from the headlines? These
aren't font-provided small caps, but forced ones whose proportions
differ from what a typographer would provide with a font (i.
Hi Olivier,
First, the choice of fonts and colors are a matter of taste, which is an
endless debate...
Sure, yet... staying with Arial and TNR, aping Office 2000 is not
really an option either, though.
Second, - I have not tested - LO may warn me that my legacy documents have
new default
Hi all,
just a quick note: the log for yesterday's meeting is now up
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2012-06-10
we quickly touched upon the issues discussed here (see the parts
from 18:59–19:05 and 19:58–pretty much the end).
Also, I'm happy to announce that we might have
Hi Adolfo,
For the in-program artwork, it's right, we just need PNG's
However, there are two reasons why we want SVG:
#1 License compliance: the LGPL license say that you have to be able
to show the source for any given part of a covered work. It is a bit
of a stretch to try to apply a software
Hi everyone,
For the 3.6 release, we'd like to have a new splash screen, thus, if
you're feeling creative, please submit designs in here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Playground/Splash_screen
There are a few constraints:
* add your entry until June 29, 2012, 0:00 GMT
* please
Hi Mirek,
I wouldn't mind doing it on Sunday, either. So, unless anyone else
really wants to come to the Saturday meeting, ... let's do it on
Sunday.
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Hi Mirek,
I wouldn't mind doing it on Sunday, either. So, unless anyone else
really wants to come to the Saturday meeting, ... let's do it on
Sunday.
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Hi Klaus-Jürgen,
Have you tried to do it with a darker green background and white writing and
rectangles like these business cards [1] and some other artworks?
I haven't, though it should be pretty easy for you to do it yourself
(it would probably look cool, but I really want to get off this
Hi Mirek,
To be honest, I'd prefer a solid-color menu bar, but as both you and Kendy
insist on using Aero glass in the menu bar and I could care less about
Windows, how about something like this:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Doze3.png ?
By no means am I insisting on that – I do
Hi,
Since I noticed, the beta is supposed to be tagged today or tomorrow
already and we in the Design team had talked about our new About thing
a little...
and I also don't seem to have anything to do... I made this patch for About.
It does the following:
* it removes the bevel from the SVG
Okay, scratch that. I just found time to work on this... so, I've sent
a patch to the ux-advise list (accidentally not to the dev list). It
does most of what I hoped for, except that it doesn't make the buttons
links.
See the other thread I just opened.
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Hi William,
ah, you don't understand: it's not a mock-up, it's implemented. (The
patch however was scrapped on the design list, but you can see it
under [1].)
About the close button: Under Gnome 3, modal windows don't get a close
button in the titlebar (usually they don't get a titlebar either).
Hi all,
@Christoph:
Well, that was the case some versions ago - then the current behavior
(save icon is always active) has been introduced. Reason: There has been
customer feedback targeted at the Sun OOo UX Team that people wish to
press that button at any time - just to be sure that the
Hi Alex,
I planned to be there. Maybe you want to try again this week, though,
since you had such bad luck last time..?
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Clarification:
Maybe you want to try again this week, though,
since you had such bad luck last time..?
That was supposed to mean that I'll be there either way, but two
people hopefully won't hurt too much.
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Hi Mirek,
so, because there are precious few slots I attended only part of the
call – thus, for the future: it's not a good idea to have two
designers on the call.
* Michael determined that we need a new splashscreen, I offered to
help (because we really do finally need a splashscreen that
Hi Michel, Steve, Mirek,
+1 to Mirek's view.
If you want to make a proposal based on usage, please use something like
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOo31_Usage_Feedback_Data.ods
as the basis, not just your own usage.
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Hi ape,
sorry for not replying.
Why are the icons from the archive
(http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3925928/changecase_images_tango.7z)
are absent in images_tango.zip LibreOffice-3.5.4rc1?
Please don't expect new icons in a bugfix release (unless it's
urgent). If at all, they
Hi all,
Now that Sveinn posted her results ... I see the problem (yes, even
with the PDF's linked to).
I tried to coerce Inkscape into giving me useful EPS files ... but it
doesn't look like it can. Thus, here's my try at helping: I exported
it to a srsly large PNG. It is still in RGB mode, but
Hi Isabelle,
Sorry for my ignorance, but what's the problem with scaling the
provided EPS up? Isn't it the whole point of vector images that you
can make them as big or small as you want them with the only possible
quality loss coming from the thing they're displayed with (here dots
of printer
Hello all,
I've updated the proposal with data bars/color scales in mind...
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Conditional_Formatting
I've tried to describe it in the wiki... if there are questions, don't
hesitate to ask.
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Hi Klaus-Jürgen, all,
And my draft (2012-03-02):
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_Conference_Logo_2012Berlin_color.png
Wonderful! I've had ~1 big complaint about it, namely that the Victory
Column is higher than the 1px grey separator line (which seems like it
should be the thing
should be the thing in the logo).
the _highest_ thing, I meant.
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Hello Mirek,
great effort to do that! It seems to be based on Android's UI design
principles... amiright?
I'd like to comment on the goal of being focused:
Focus on doing ONE thing well. Writer is for producing great-looking
documents, Impress for supplementing a great speech, Calc for
Hi all,
sorry for not being there ... exceptional circumstances. I'd be
interested in the full transcript, though... there only seems to be a
part of it available. Does anyone have the full version?
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Hi Mirek,
Even an advanced office suite needs to be focused.
As I specified, I see Writer as a tool to create great-looking documents.
That doesn't mean it can't export to HTML -- of course it can. An HTML
document is just as valuable as an ODT document. What it does mean, though,
is that
Hello Mirek, Björn,
from Björns mail:
I have offered this before and I do it again now. I am willing to help you
defining the requirements. I can help you to conduct the user research to
find
and validate the requirements. I can help you to deerive the needed
artifacts,
like personas,
I absolutely agree with Mirek. Your offers have always seemed
relatively vague to me. I would find it very interesting to know how
to best work with what you have to offer.
It's late already... excuse my awful wording.
Also, Björn, I am sorry for seeming so harsh in my first reply to this
Hi Björn,
In the past I (and many other experienced design and usability people)
more or
less left this group / mailing list. This is definitely not due to a lack
of
interest - I still read a lot of the stuff written here.
Sure, it's a huge problem that we don't have any UX professional as a
Hi all,
I've done a little mock-up of some changes of colour (strictly for
Windows Vista and up, when using Aero or Aero Basic as the theme):
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Mainwindow-win7-mockup.png [1].
The icons in my mockup may be pretty random, but I think the Tango
style
Hi Markus,
As already discussed in Hamburg I'm happy with the current proposal
but I have one point that I only noticed today. Would it be possible
to add a concept for data bars and color scales?
Possible, certainly. I think, in the combo box Cell value is we'd
need a third choice like
Hi Jayme,
For logo creators: I’d suggest not using clichés like the Eiffel Tower
this time. Create something less generic and more meaningful. And
please don’t use Helvetica, just Vegur.
Obviously, you're free to create a proposal that aligns with your ideas...
anyway, please don't hate on
Hi Tor,
But is it more politically correct?
In the open-source context? Maybe, then again, it is a blatant copy of
the Adobe's Myriad font (whose most famous current user is probably
Apple).
Also, Helvetica has far more copies and some are far better than the
original (in terms of glyph
Hi Andrew,
what are these data bars and color scales you speak of? could you like to the
concept for them if you have one?
take a look here:
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/microsoft-excel-2010-data-bar/
and here:
Hi Mirek, Kendy,
One more idea -- could you change the font drop-down menu into an icon menu?
That's a little off-topic now, innit? It's probably best to start a
new topic for that... (but I hear Kendy is open to such proposals!)
What makes the
task of changing the entire chrome hard is
Hi Pierre,
1. For the record: the ability to create a new style is one of the items
of the list of styles.
Yes, that's the intention.
2. I understand that we will defer the option of sorting conditions.
However I disagree with the proposition the Add button Appended to the last
Hi Mirek, Andrew,
okay, then, seems my assumptions aren't true, so let's keep 1600 GTC.
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Hello ape, Andrew,
1. The file backing_left.png includes the post address TDF (under the
logo). This is important in the image.
I can't really see the use of having the post address there. In fact,
even having the logo there is debatable from my point of view. (Users
mainly want to _use_ the
Hi Mirek,
Mark your calendars for this time every week, as this is the last reminder
I'll post.
Hehe.
So, one of the things I've been pondering is the following: how about
doing the chats an hour/two hours earlier? (I know it would fit me
better, and maybe others see this similarly.)
Astron.
Hi Zak,
What I need LibO to do is handle a corporate color palette easily. I have
managed to edit the relevant files (.GPL) for Inkscape and GIMP - but LibO
is proving more difficult.
A number of Google searches highlights that it does not appear
straightforward to swop or make default my
Hi Mirek,
The time is based on the Doodle poll we took [1].
Me knowey.
16:00 GMT suited most
people.
Given that you can't attend quite often, Andrew has usually apparently
gone to sleep already at that time ... I wonder if that is actually
true.
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Hello Thorsten,
mostly, I thought it looked good. I've edited it a tiny bit, to make
the logo as large as the text and also trying to enforce the 1/2 width
of a document symbol distance everywhere.
I've added a variant (the bottom one) that should work without the
Vegur font being installed (i.e.
Hello all,
so, there was a quite a long silence...
In the meantime, I've started a Whiteboard on a redesign for the
conditional formatting feature in Calc at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Conditional_Formatting
In the end, I decided that while I generally liked my
Hello all,
I am quite excited to share with you the following from Michael Meeks:
I'd love to get more of the design team's ideas turned into easy hacks
- which (I think) would prolly be the best outcome of a hack-fest -
getting developers to sit down and read around code in given
Hi all,
just FYI, there were people some time ago that wanted to add a
document background:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/DocumentBackground
To me, the idea seems sensible, but just as Mirek said, just adding a
document background doesn't make the application that much
Hi Andrew,
(Lots of IMHO's ahead, so beware.)
I use it sometimes, it's useful when you are translating or creating a
document in multiple languages (like instruction manuals) it sets the
auto-correct to the language you are currently using, which is useful.
It might not be used by most users
Hi Andrew,
sorry forgot to link to it. It's there now.
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Hi Alberto,
first: welcome to the design list!
On 13 April 2012 11:05, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think the developer team plans to support Windows 8 Metro anytime
soon, so any work on it would be futile right now.
I guess that is true, sadly.
Hopefully, the Android tablet port
Hi Mirek,
I don't remember seeing Daud, Michelr, or S.Gecko anywhere on the mailing
Rafael Daud was at the chat last week – without saying anything.
Oh, ok.
Saw that in the log...
Michel ... haven't heard anything either. S. Gecko's whiteboard has
been hijacked by Andrew anyway. So, I
Hi Mirek,
I'd prefer to keep the current summary, basically because it's a good
example of what a whiteboard summary should look like -- a single sentence
that precisely summarizes the purpose of the whiteboard.
Well, besides teaching me a new word (pithy) (thanks!), I am not
completely
Hi all,
about a week ago, Michael (M.) noticed on ux-advise that some icons in
LibreOffice's Tango theme had been replaced. Well, I replaced those
and didn't do the sensible thing and discuss these changes first...
I'd like to make up for that lack of discussion. Thus, I've created a
wiki page
Hi Jean-Francois!
It's great to have you on board.
I can only second Mirek, great to have you here.
The solution you proposed for the document margin problem is pretty
elegant after all. :)
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Hi all,
I'd like to propose some more changes to the Whiteboard Template, see here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Astron/Whiteboard_Template
So, what has changed:
* under Summary, there's now some instructional text (it's incomplete,
but that's a feature, I wanted to be brief
Hi Ape,
Archive main_window.7z contains images that I use.
Interesting idea to remove the document icons from there. But why did
you do that?
The Templates icons you made seems a bit cluttered to me.
The Open icon is interesting but doesn't fit with Tango. However, it
should, since we need
Hi Jonathan, Kévin,
Agreed, there are so many ways that we could take this i think for now we
just keep it simple and move forward with the work. then adapt and recode as
necessary.
I guess the best would be just having something like the start center
and then if the user taps on open a
Hi Mirek, all,
I noticed that Gnome have these nice stars to signify what stage a
proposal is in, so I wanted to do something similar. Thus, in the last
couple minutes I fixed up this status timeline (not a real timeline
since multiple states can be active at once):
Hi Mirek,
thanks for the feedback. I've updated my page accordingly.
I like the general idea, though I'd prefer to use call for proposals or
something along those lines rather than designs wanted so that we use the
term proposals (same as the section name), then have something like
analysis
Hi Cedric,
I figured out
that the folder icons in our Tango theme are greyish while the ones from
the official Tango project are blue.
That's a misconception. Tango is an icon style, not an icon set. The
official set is a bit of a proof of concept, with extra-liberal
licensing applied so
Hi again, Cedric, Ape,
Theme Tango includes a lot of Theme Industry's icons (Gnome-1), which have a
gray color. Project Tango no has many icons, which are needed for
LibreOffice.
Right, this point from Ape might apply and hit you quite hard. It
would be a good idea to check which separate
Hi,
we just had our 2nd weekly design chat, the IRC log is available here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings
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Hi Christoph, all,
sorry for not being there at all when I said I could be... I was
occupied with other stuff, and then seemingly didn't really get the
GMT bit (else I would have risked at least with half an eye).
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Hi Mirek,
On 21 March 2012 09:09, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Christoph,
I'm referring to the Issues and User Requests section, which does include
suggestions such as the link to Jef van Schendel's Blog post. Not really an
issue, though.
That specific thing was my sole addition to
Hello Phelostor,
The default table setting is extending the table horizontally to the
left and to the right page margins, and in Table Format dialog when I
need to set specific width of the table, I have to
change the Alignment option first, then the check box of Width could be
available.
I
Hi Mirek,
I've had a conversation with Alexander Wilms on IRC today and we've decided
that it would be productive if the whole Design team could meet on the IRC
to discuss relevant LibreOffice UI/design topics. We could start with the
Actually, it would be a great idea if we could meet on IRC
Hi Kendy,
So - what about to only show the percentage in the right bottom corner
always, and when the user places the mouse pointer over that, it would
[after a short timeout] extend to left (or upwards - whatever works
better for the users], and show the entire slider?
If we're discussing
Hi Bhaavan,
Maybe I should have changed the subject to something else before
posting it on the dev list.
In any case, I hope you eventually went through what is apparently the
official channel for GSoC self-introduction, ie IRC, apparently.
@Alex: thanks!
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Hi all,
I meant both on hovering and on selection. Selection works on touch
interfaces.
Not that I could speak for Alex' intentions, but I guess that's a
simple misunderstanding.
I think double-click was supposed to close the dialogue and open the
template. The alternative way to do that
Hi again,
sorry for being so negative. And, partly I can understand the reasoning.
For instance, ~no one needs an indicator for overwrite mode, in fact
the whole overwrite mode functionality should go (it's confusing far
far more often than it is useful). We didn't really need an(other)
Hi Mirek,
what problem does this solve?
Sure, we then have a slightly less crowded status bar, but on the
other hand LibO's scrollbar will be shorter and less useful (cf.
horizontal scrollbar in Calc).
Astron.
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Hi Maggie, Alex,
On 8 March 2012 21:57, Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.com wrote:
git is a version-control system. It was first developed for the Linux and
LibreOffice uses it too.
Right. So it's a (better) replacement for things like SVN/CVS/... (The
gist of these tools is that you
Hi Bhaavan,
I am adding the dev list (libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org) here...
Astron.
On 9 March 2012 12:27, Bhaavan Merchant bhaavanmerch...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I am Bhaavan Merchant, and am a 3rd year undergrad student. I have been a
part of this mailing list for sometime and
- Using different letters creates words. I noticed this in my Citrus UI
mockups -- B for bold, I for Italic, L for Line, C for color, and
H for highlight put next to each other make me read it as bilch, which
is quite close to an English swear.
Thanks for this gem. :)
Astron.
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Hi ape, Christoph,
On 1 March 2012 19:40, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote:
A.1 I agree, but the Chart had a green frame in the
OpenOffice.org_Galaxy_ver.3.0.
Also targets A.2, A.3.
The basic decision we've made was to only highlight the most essential
document types and that
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