Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-07 Thread Csongor Halmai
Hi everyone, After reading all the messages in this topic, and learning how experienced marketing experts are in the team, I have the following humble thoughts. 1. I am a techie person who is far from being a marketing expert. Therefore, take my opinion with a grain of salt. 2. For most

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-07 Thread Mike Saunders
Hello, On 06.04.23 22:12, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: Great, what's the problem? Why should we be in a rush to get existing users to upgrade from 7.5 to 7.6? Well, one argument is that we have very limited resources to support two branches. LibreOffice 7.5 won't be around forever, so at some

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-06 Thread Italo Vignoli
avo Buzzatti Pacheco *Sent:* 05 April 2023 22:05 *To:* TDF Devs ; TDF Marketing < market...@global.libreoffice.org>; TDF Design < design@global.libreoffice.org> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8? Hi Eyal, all! I also respec

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-06 Thread Italo Vignoli
No one has used the term "animals". They are users mis-informed and mis-educated by Microsoft, and partially by Google. And contrary of what you think we have many clues about what they care for, but when we suggest a strategy this is not accepted by community members (who, as you say, don't

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-06 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
To put last thing first: I'm not staunchly opposed to bumping the version number to 8. So think of this as a theoretical discussion. Anyway... Noting Italo's explanation that: > 80% (and probably more) of what we communicate is targeted to "normal" software users, and not to community members

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-06 Thread Jan Dittrich
I think it is not helpful to see people we want to reach as "uninformed" or even "animals". Sure, they are not as skilled/informed as we are about the topics that we care for. Unsurprisingly, we will have no clue about topics they deeply care for. Jan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-06 Thread paul hofseth
you might reason that since humans behave like herd animals, so that when some run, all run. The stimulus evoking action must be the most convincing, hence the facts can be distorted. For Libre office number eight it might suffice to claim the usual "the changes will assure your improved

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-06 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 06/04/23 10:08, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: That is exactly what I'm opposing. Let's assume that the real situation is "boring" (I'm not sure that's the case, but still) and that, indeed, the changes since 7 are not fundamental enough to merit a version bump on their own (and I realize this is

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-06 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Gustavo, it seems that what you're saying is that the _reality_ is a bit "boring" - a long sequence of minor releases without a fundamental/breakthrough change; and there is a desire to make it more interesting/exciting using a major version bump. That is exactly what I'm opposing. Let's