Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

I did not answer to your previous email, to avoid spending time on this discussion, but as you have repeated your statement about my supposedly "rude" reaction I think I have to explain what has happened in detail. On 22/01/16 15:38, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > As for the rudeness of the feedback

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Hi Laurent, [ top posting by design ] And then what is the piece you bring to the impress mode toolbar analysis? Kind regards Sophie Le 22 janv. 2016 20:00, "Laurent Lyaudet" a écrit : > Hi, > > I don't buy the argument "Go to the design hangouts if you have something

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Hi, I don't buy the argument "Go to the design hangouts if you have something to say or else shut up". This sounds like TyrannyOffice more than LibreOffice. No schedule for a world project can make it possible that all the people that want to participate can effectively participate in the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Hi, Le 15/01/2016 19:28, Pedro Rosmaninho a écrit : Michel, you can't complain that people are using links not posted in a tdf/libreoffice website and then talk about feedback in a blog of someone else. Why didn't that person provide feedback to the design mailing list for example? It's not

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

On Saturday, 16 January 2016 12:59:57 CET Arnaud Versini wrote: > 2016-01-15 13:14 GMT+01:00 Heiko Tietze : > > But for LibO, and any other open source > > application, you cannot run the development based on usability tests. > > Why not ? We don't have users ? The

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Hello Heiko and Michel 2016-01-15 13:14 GMT+01:00 Heiko Tietze : > On Friday, 15 January 2016 11:49:26 CET Michel RENON wrote: > > Please note that I was talking about "use cases, prototypes, user > > testing and iterate", not surveys. > That's my daily business

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

On Friday, 15 January 2016 11:49:26 CET Michel RENON wrote: > Please note that I was talking about "use cases, prototypes, user > testing and iterate", not surveys. That's my daily business too. But for LibO, and any other open source application, you cannot run the development based on usability

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Le 14/01/2016 18:35, Heiko Tietze a écrit : On Thursday, 14 January 2016 11:32:59 CET Michel RENON wrote: You said very important things ! That's the core problem : currently, there is no user feedback. The design team is very motivated to create good UI, but we (as I participated in the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Le 15/01/2016 13:14, Heiko Tietze a écrit : On Friday, 15 January 2016 11:49:26 CET Michel RENON wrote: Please note that I was talking about "use cases, prototypes, user testing and iterate", not surveys. That's my daily business too. But for LibO, and any other open source application, you

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

On Friday, 15 January 2016 16:57:49 CET Michel RENON wrote: > Well, that blog post talks exactly about that, and even some usability > tests on... LibreOffice ! > http://opensource-usability.blogspot.fr/2016/01/usability-of-open-source-sof > tware.html > > and another feedback on recent changes :

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Michel, you can't complain that people are using links not posted in a tdf/libreoffice website and then talk about feedback in a blog of someone else. Why didn't that person provide feedback to the design mailing list for example? It's not the work of the people that work in UI/UX for LibreOffice

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

On Thursday, 14 January 2016 11:32:59 CET Michel RENON wrote: > You said very important things ! > That's the core problem : currently, there is no user feedback. > > The design team is very motivated to create good UI, but we (as I > participated in the design team) have the "ivory tower"

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

V Stuart Foote wrote on 13-01-16 21:39: > None the less, the developer who implemented the code got to decide based on > input in IRC, design meetings, gerrit feedback, and related issues filed in > BZ (see tdf#87672 > for example).

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

On 14/01/16 10:59, Sophie wrote: > When working on a slide desk last week, I didn't found it difficult to > switch in the View menu, what annoy me is that the choice is not retained. I cannot consider myself as a normal user, so the fact that I am able to switch without issues (once I have found

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Le 13/01/2016 14:35, V Stuart Foote a écrit : [...] When refactored it was provided with a simple View menu toggle "Modes Tab Bar" so "power users", or the intransigent, can enable or disable it as desired--but no longer consuming the vertical space by default. Reasonable UI and UX--nothing is

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

On 14/01/16 10:20, Michel RENON wrote: > Now that problem is starting to be fixed, I agree with Italo that it's > incomplete : there is a problem of discoverability of the new 'Mode' > button, it's lost in the toolbar. > So I just made a proposal based on current master version : >

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Le 14/01/2016 10:48, Italo Vignoli a écrit : On 14/01/16 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote: > If you are ok with that, I'll prepare a patch to show the tab bar by default. Sorry, it's not "me" being OK with the solution, "users" should be OK with the solution (and users have not been asked at all:

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

On 13/01/16 21:39, V Stuart Foote wrote: >>From your apparent shock that something changed, should we assume that you > had not taken a recent build of master nor one of the 5.1.0 beta releases > out for a test? And only now got around to seeing what is new? Don't be silly, please. I have 5

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Le 14/01/2016 10:48, Italo Vignoli a écrit : > On 14/01/16 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote: > >> If you are ok with that, I'll prepare a patch to show the tab bar by default. > > Sorry, it's not "me" being OK with the solution, "users" should be OK > with the solution (and users have not been

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Le 14/01/2016 10:59, Sophie a écrit : Le 14/01/2016 10:48, Italo Vignoli a écrit : > On 14/01/16 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote: > >> If you are ok with that, I'll prepare a patch to show the tab bar by default. > > Sorry, it's not "me" being OK with the solution, "users" should be OK > with the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

On 14/01/16 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote: > If you are ok with that, I'll prepare a patch to show the tab bar by default. Sorry, it's not "me" being OK with the solution, "users" should be OK with the solution (and users have not been asked at all: the fact that is all documented on GitHub or

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Hi Italo, all Le 14/01/2016 11:08, Italo Vignoli a écrit : > On 14/01/16 10:59, Sophie wrote: > >> When working on a slide desk last week, I didn't found it difficult to >> switch in the View menu, what annoy me is that the choice is not retained. > > I cannot consider myself as a normal user,

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Le 13/01/2016 14:35, V Stuart Foote a écrit : [...] When refactored it was provided with a simple View menu toggle "Modes Tab Bar" so "power users", or the intransigent, can enable or disable it as desired--but no longer consuming the vertical space by default. Reasonable UI and UX--nothing is

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

On Thursday, 14 January 2016 10:59:06 CET Sophie wrote: > Would it be possible to discuss this during the next meeting? Good idea. I tried to summarize the discussion in the minutes [1]. Looking forward tomorrow 1:00pm UTC (14:00 GMT). [1] http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design -- To

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Le 14/01/2016 15:26, V Stuart Foote a écrit : Michel RENON-2 wrote ... [resent to the ml] Currently, some design changes are merged asap in master, just because the code is ok. Then during alpha or beta, some user feedback is coming, but it's already too late to make changes in code... Why

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

On 13/01/16 14:35, V Stuart Foote wrote: > Feel any better after that rant? Sorry, it was not a rant, because the situation - as it is - is unacceptable for serious Impress users, who have not been even asked before changing the UI of the application they use most. They are not subscribed to the