So are we getting any closer to deciding an action to solve this
problem?...
What daniel wrote on 2009-06-22 seems like a very good compromise. But,
it's more of a workaround than a solution. If theme writers don't
employ the thick bottom border, then users still have to muck with it
NOTE: We must ensure the calculation of 0.15% is of the xrandr output,
NOT the Virtual desktop size!
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I'm YEARS late this time.
Windows has the ability, but I never had to use it.
I recommend window border adjustment feature, pls.
I liked this one by bTroy James Sobotka/b on 2007-11-14:
iIt is relatively painless to change the dimensions of the surrounding border
for themes... To change border
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I've got to admit I do find the resizing of windows using the default
theme a tad annoying, even more so when multiple windows are over lapped
and when using the window autofocus setting.
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I agree this is a problem, especially with a laptop mousepad, I'm going
to try to find as a theme with thicker left, right and bottom edges in
the meantime :-(
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By the way, one decent workaround is to select a theme which has a thick lower
border, like the dust ones. That way you can use the lower corner to resize the
sides as well.
Attached is a screenshot of the Appearance Preferences window with a modified
dust theme I use.
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PLease check the following bug:
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It's quite possible that most of the troubles with resizing are in fact
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20, 2009 5:50:54 pm
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From: daniel bocard...@gmail.com
Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
PLease check the following bug:
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/388160
It's quite possible that most
Would it be possible to have a different border size depending on the
display's DPI? That would help in this issue without using too much
space on smaller screens.
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Would it be possible to have a different border size depending on the
display's DPI? That would help in this issue without using too much
space on smaller screens
That is an excellent idea, I think I have seen something just like that
once (can't remember where though). To enhance the usability of the
resizing border it would just need to stick to the border for a couple
pixels worth of movement, say 3~5. That would allow one to stop at the
border easily
: daniel bocard...@gmail.com
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That is an excellent idea, I think I have seen something just like that
once (can't remember where though). To enhance the usability of the
resizing border it would just need to stick
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It depends on what the fix is. If the fix is to change the themes that
would apply. A global setting for theme thickness or an invisible border
would require changes in compiz to match.
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I concur with Jared.
Also running Jaunty and I've tried various themes for Gnome including
Human, New Wave, Dust, etc.
All of these themes have different border sizes, and for aesthetics,
many themes have a very thin border (1 pix). When the border is so
thin, it's extremely difficult to
NOTE: This bug also applies to compiz, would a fix to metacity transfer
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I'm here to add my concern for this bug. I'm currently using a jaunty
netbook with a 1024x600 resolution and resizing windows naturally
(using my cursor on a window edge) is almost always an absolute chore if
not impossible. On my 1920x1200 desktop computer it's not quite as
difficult with my
This resize problem is the first thing that disturbs me whenever I
install a gnome based linux. I'm looking forward seeing a reasonable
solution to this.
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Hi all,
Can somebody tell me where is this config editor and is this patch included in
the jaunty release so it could be tested here as well during the alpha phase?
There is a pool of people who could help with testing if needed.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6535929postcount=157
It seems to me that this is an upstream problem for gnome/metacity and
not ubuntu specific. Increasing the default size is not an option
because it makes everyone else's setup ugly and wastes space.
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Kenneth:
The patch I have attached upstream allows a minimum width to be set for
the border size. Setting this to 0 causes no difference from the status
quo. Setting it to, say, 20 causes 20px borders throughout.
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Thomas: this would need ot be accepted upstream and the UI would need to
be changed to allow for this additional functionality.
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Kenneth: I'm the upstream maintainer :)
I can't speak for the control-center UI, though.
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Thomas: Nice demo. If I can't drag THAT, I fail :) All joking around
aside, that patch looks useful. Even if it's only in the config editor
(which is not necessarily easy to find for some newbies, I know) it's
still there and much more easily tweakable than theme XML. Thanks.
Kenneth:
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I have this problem at work, where we use Ubuntu. That's a win for the
project, for sure!
I've used two different mice: one optical, one laser with adjustable
DPI; I've used several display resolutions from 1024x768 through
1600x1200; in no case was I satisfied with the size of the resize
handles
Dan: Okay, you convinced me. I've attached a patch upstream. Here's a
screenshot.
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I found a very useful resize tool for the mean time. I installed the
CompizConfig Settings Manager and found that ALT + BUTTON 2 initiates
the resize with the mouse.
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I have managed to manually hack the theme files to allow for a larger
border. Obviously, not really a solution and use at your own risk, but
as long you make a back of the file involved (an xml file), you should
have an easy time following this.
After some searching, it turns out that the
I absolutely hate this bug. Am I weirdo too?
Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested)
doesn't mean much against millions of users.
How many of those millions you think will go throught the process of
registering here at launchpad and complain here? Not many, lots of them just
dump
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I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake
a screenshot and look at it yourself, if that is not true, feel free to
ping me personally.
If you want larger
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Ubuntu aims to be usable by ordinary human beings and accessible to the
disabled. This issue is hurting those goals as follows:
(1) Usability: Windows (95 onwards), Mac OS and KDE all have the ability
to change border thickness *because clicking on a thin border is a
problem for some people*.
We will look into a fix.
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Ubuntu aims to be usable by ordinary human beings and accessible to the
disabled
God speed and God bless you
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It is not true that Mac OS lets you change window border thickness:
since 2001 its windows have had no resize border at all. Instead,
resizable windows always have a resize grippy in the lower right corner.
Apple does provide an example, however, of another of the solutions
proposed in previous
Richard - I corrected your accessibility tag. The official tag for
accessibility related bugs is 'a11y'
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I've commented before, but I'll say it again - resizing is unbelievably
difficult at 1920x1280 resolution. Near impossible in fact. I
routinely use ALT-Space R now. Trying to hit a one pixel (it feels
like it) border on my screen is hopeless. I worry about the
accessibility issues implied by
Apps have a resize area at the bottom right...using this might make
things easier.
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Some gnome apps have a resize corner, like Nautilus, but most GTK+
generic apps don't - Avidemux, Thunderbird, Firefox, DeVeDe and so on.
In fact, many gnome apps themselves don't bother with the resize corner
- look at the terminal for example.
Besides, that doesn't help you much when you want
I have a 24 screen and have no problem resizing the windows. Making the
window deco bigger is simply not an option when working on a smaller
sized screen...the borders are huge and waste space. It has nothing to
do with being an olympic athlete, if you do not like the default, change
it, you are
In any case, the bug would be against the metacity theme and not the gtk
theme
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Assignee: (unassigned) = Kenneth Wimer (kwwii)
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Actually, after taking a screenshot, there are 5 pixels available for
resizing the window on any side. I don't see the point in this bug
anymore...maybe running some *really* big screen makes this hard but
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What resolution are you running at? Are you seriously suggestion that
because YOU don't have a problem resizing, then everyone else who's
filed against this bug must be wrong?
You say that if I don't like the default, change it. How? How do you
make grab borders bigger in Ubuntu?
And what
I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake
a screenshot and look at it yourself, if that is not true, feel free to
ping me personally.
If you want larger borders you select another theme or find one which
suits your needs. Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are
Does this affect COMPIZ as well?
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In any case, the bug would be against the metacity theme
Kenneth, I agree, although there should be an app somewhere, possibly
built into gtkrc that allows change to little details like this.
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I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake
a screenshot
It's a PITA to change the window sizes. I use a Razer mouse which has
little to no linux support and it's very sensitive and I can tell you
that I have a one in 1680 chance of catching that window edge to resize
it. Do what ever you have to, make it happen it's annoying and really a
pain on my
I would like two options really:
1. Set pixel width of the border, ideally in the GNOME Appearance tool
where you select a theme - have an option to Customize Theme (this is
what Windows does). Should be a variable value, either by typing a
number or using up/down buttons to change a displayed
Sorry for the spam, but I just wanted to add my name to the list of
people who have ALWAYS thought this was a problem ( going back to Ubuntu
6.06).
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Yes I agree. This is a major usability problem.
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Sorry for the spam, but I just wanted to add my name to the list of
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This is a real pain on larger displays (e.g. mine is 1680x1050). It's
also an accessibility issue - those with motor control problems may find
it very hard to position the mouse to drag a window even on smaller
displays such as 1280x1024 17 monitors.
Having switched from KDE, where this is a
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This is a real pain on larger displays (e.g. mine is 1680x1050). It's
also an accessibility issue - those with motor control problems may find
Vikram:
I don't think he has a problem with the resolution. I think he wants
that resolution, but with thicker borders on all themes for the sake of
accessibility, which is a perfectly reasonable request.
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How about a couple pixels worth of thickness that are transparent. This
way the metacity themes won't have to be bulky.
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Vikram
We could do that, although it would mean you'd need the shape extension;
does anyone not have that these days? Alternatively, we could have an
accessibility option that meant Make all frame borders at least five
pixels wide or something.
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I foresee a post about this on the Metacity blog.
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I absolutely hate this bug.
I would also note that the most problematic are the top cornersas area
above window icon and control box with maximize, minimize and close
button cannot be used for resizing.
And I would also note that the window control menu (the one you get when
you press Alt+Space)
Josef: If you use compiz, you should raise another bug against compiz.
This is a metacity bug.
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As someone fairly new to Linux, yet understand things far better than
the average newbie, I want to add my 2 cents.
On a scale of 1-4
1 - Emergency
2- High
3- Medium
4 Low
I have to say this issue is a medium priority. It is a usability issue,
and will turn people away. It's the little things
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 17:17 +, zarathustra wrote:
I just started using Ubuntu as a Desktop instead of server (even just
today). So coming from using Windows and OS X for so long, I find this a
big deal also. A resize control that is part of theme and displayed in
the bottom corner would
@Mihai
This isn't about changing the look and feel, this is about the
underlying architecture.
1) The window's grab area should be separated from its aesthetic border
trim area ( as per Jonathan Kerls suggestion at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/160311/comments/19
)
2)
I just started using Ubuntu as a Desktop instead of server (even just
today). So coming from using Windows and OS X for so long, I find this a
big deal also. A resize control that is part of theme and displayed in
the bottom corner would make thing much easier. I've tried all other
included themes
To further ad, I noticed apps like Gedit have a resize handle and it's
much easier than with programs like Firefox and Terminal. I'm not sure
if there are guidelines or anything that can be recommended to all
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Hi,
Use Alt+Middle Clic to resize from anywhere in the window. In Unix,
windows manager does not draw inside the window, only outside (border,
title, etc.). So only window with status bar have the resize handle at
bottom.
Regards,
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As a theme designer it would be nice to be able to specify regions that
could act as resize areas. A theme with 1 pixel or no side borders, but
a thick 5px bar on bottom would work fine if you could declare that the
10 pixels of the bottom bar at the left and right side were to act as a
corner
I have a 1280x800 LCD display, and trying to resize windows by dragging corners
or edges has always been frustrating to me -- just as described by others
above, it usually takes several tries before the edge/corner is correctly
grabbed.
(I am presently using the Mist theme under Gutsy)
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I find resizing windows on Gutsy very frustrating. The draggable window
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Obviously this is one of those things where some people cannot imagine
how anyone could be bothered by it, others (like me) don't have to
imagine it,
(Sorry, that of course wasn't supposed to be patronising; I apologise
if it sounded that way.) You can install a theme with wider borders, or
modify the borders of the existing one as explained elsewhere on this
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Paul: You also have the option of changing the theme size, of course.
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Sounds like this is, indeed, resolution dependant. I'm running a 24
Dell flat panel and its resolution is 1920x1200. This may be why only a
small number of people have hooked onto this issue.
To be honest, I've fixed this now, simply by installing the Emerald
manager straight from the Gutsy
Hello I've been trying to get off this mailing list but the the web site
thing that makes me off the list doesn't work so please TAKE ME OFF THE LIST
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I'll second this - I can't find any way to make the windows resize
border bigger than (I think) 1px. Resizing windows is cumbersome,
frustrating and far too easy to get wrong. I'm running compiz-fusion
enabled from a stock Gutsy build, with almost no additions (ccsm is the
only change I've made
I thought I'd also add to this bug just to say that this is definately a
problem. I've had this issue since as long as I can remember. You have
to be very accurate with the positioning of the mouse to get the resize
handle, especially for resizing from the corner of a window. It's very
Note that with the default Human theme, I need to get the pointer to
within an area of 4 pixels at the edge of a window to be able to resize
it (I know I'm sad, I counted!) On a 1600x1200 monitor, this is a
difficult task, and requires great precision. I can't believe this is
marked as 'Wishlist'.
I forwarded the problem to metacity's developers.
Thanks for your feedback!
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Closing metacity bug, it *is* theme dependant. Add the human theme as
affected package.
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Siegfried: I understand now that this is theme dependant and I agree
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with all Metacity themes I've used, including other Metacity themes that
ship with Ubuntu. For example, the 'Metabox' theme (on my default
install) seems to be
As the person who mostly looks after theme support in Metacity, I'd love
to hear discussions on and suggestions for what's needed in version
three of the format.
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See my opinion on this below, but note that I can't speak in name of the
theme designers (in fact, I've no experience in this field):
I don't really think this is a bug nor that it's very several (I hadn't
heard anything like this until this report was created), but if some
users have problems
I am running 1600x1200 resolution and I have to say, that Robert is
right. It's not very comfortable to resize a window. Is there an easy
way to change this?
Thanks.
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It is relatively painless to change the dimensions of the surrounding
border for themes. That said, you may end up with a gaudy looking heavy
window, but I assume that you don't care about that.
To change border widths, simply open up the theme's Metacity XML file.
For example, Human's theme is
The original bug suggested an extra transparent area added to the width
which is a good idea to keep things functional and clean.
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Thanks for taking the time to report us your comments. However, I don't
think that that most users have any problem with that, perhaps it's the
theme you are using? Also notice that if you right click the title of a
window you will find a Resize option there (and also the same if you
right click
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