Thank you Martin, now I can see that you guys have put in better work
than I appreciated before. My apologies.
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Hello Dovel,
Dovel [2009-03-29 22:04 -]:
Not going to change to an applet I don't even want on my panel. It
has no use for me.
If you don't need it, just remove it, and the System menu entries will
reappear.
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I am sure that, like many users who are used to logging out from the
System menu (which is a pretty standard way to do things across many
desktop environments!) I find using the applet quite annoying. Why can't
there be more than one way to do things? When we start restricting the
ways in which
Another issue introduced by this is that (as Martin mentioned earlier)
we need to document both ways to shut down. This affects not only Ubuntu
documentation but includes yet another delta in the Gnome documentation
where we need to depart from upstream. We've only just found out about
this change
Before there was FUSA, there was another applet that could be used to
shut down or log off. So then there were multiple ways to shut down as
well. I don't see why FUSA has caused people to think differently, when
all it did was to incorporate that same *existing* functionality with
user switching
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 08:18 +, Matthew East wrote:
Lots of people will remove the FUSA applet, either intentionally to save
panel space (because they don't have multi-user systems and can't see
the point of the huge long applet) or accidentally, so I can't see that
we can avoid documenting
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 12:24 +, wensveen wrote:
About the implementation of this patch: isn't there any way FUSA could
disable stuff in the gnome-panel, instead of the gnome-panel looking for
FUSA? That would be a little more future-proof. FUSA might not be around
forever.
Not really
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Ted Gould t...@gould.cx wrote:
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 08:18 +, Matthew East wrote:
Lots of people will remove the FUSA applet, either intentionally to save
panel space (because they don't have multi-user systems and can't see
the point of the huge long
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 14:34 +, Matthew East wrote:
Although your first point is one worth considering, I don't think the
last sentence is logical. There are no obvious reasons to remove the
system menu - it contains a lot of crucial applications. On the other
hand, even though I haven't
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Ted Gould t...@gould.cx wrote:
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 14:34 +, Matthew East wrote:
Although your first point is one worth considering, I don't think the
last sentence is logical. There are no obvious reasons to remove the
system menu - it contains a lot of
new minor isse due to this change: bug #335242, the menu tooltip is now
incorrect
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I just added a second FUSA, and then removed it again. After this the
shutdown, logout and lock screen items reappeared in the system menu.
This is only temporary, however. After killing gnome-panel the items
were gone again.
BTW, I happened to like these items under system. I also like to be
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 01:41 +, wensveen wrote:
BTW, I happened to like these items under system. I also like to be able
to switch users fast, but I don't like the fact that fusa can do all
kinds of other stuff as well, like configuring the login screen,
displaying pidgin status, etc. But
I'm having a similar problem. I recently did a fresh install, but at
some point afterwards (I first noticed it after installing a new theme)
my FUSA only has the entries: Guest session, Lock screen and Log
out. When I click the Shut-down item on the System menu, it also
shows Shut-down and
I'm not sure where things ended up here but have been using Intrepid
beta for last month and only have access to a shutdown button that
includes only shutdown and restart and a user switcher button with the
guest option and logoff but without shutdown or restart. When I go to
guest user I then
You need to install the user switcher yourself, I'm afraid. Right click
on the top panel, choose Add to Panel and go from there. I would
recommend putting it in the top right.
Mark
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Thanks but the user switcher, when added to the panel, does not include
the shutdown or restart options, which is what I am looking for. I even
tried reloading the applet from synaptic. No worries. I'm just about
to start a fresh install.
-Tom
Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
You need to install
Thanks, Ted. In fact the bulk of the patch, which provides the applet
add/remove signalling infrastructure, is fairly generic and could even
go upstream. Maybe you can discuss it with the upstream developers? Then
we only need to keep the actual f-u-s-a handling bits, which are very
small, and can
I was in a computer shop earlier, we were discussing Windows (the guy
that worked there was saying how much he liked M$)... he then said (with
no prompting) something to the line of I think people will start using
linux soon. All Ubuntu needs to do is change their menus so there's only
one - at
Martin has also volunteered to review the patch.
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Ah, so Seb already reviewed it, too. Indeed the lock yourself out is a
concern here, it really needs to be dynamic (which will also look better
in the other direction, when people upgrade and use the new fusa).
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I agree with Martin's assessment in
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-
panel/+bug/283278/comments/5. The final release freeze is not a good
time to experiment with this.
The fact that there is more than one way to exit the session is not new:
the panel has had two ways to do
While I agree that it should be dynamic, the goal was to make the patch as
small as possible considering the date in the release cycle. The reality is
that, to make it dynamic, will require introducing some plumbing into
gnome-panel that is not really there.
Since it looks like this will not
Ted, if that's the case, then why bother with it at all? You could just
wait until the new panel comes about, and have it Just Work (TM)
without all the breakage in the meantime, because the patch is
inadequate for dealing with a lot of seemingly common cases. I know one
of the first things I
Ted Gould wrote:
While I agree that it should be dynamic, the goal was to make the patch as
small as possible considering the date in the release cycle. The reality is
that, to make it dynamic, will require introducing some plumbing into
gnome-panel that is not really there.
Since it
the patch ted wrote does mostly the job, there is an issue though which is that
the changes are not dynamic, which means that an user removing the applet has
not way to logout.
one other thing which could turn to be an issue is that the namespace used by
the user switching applet is not ubuntu
The patch generally looks good to me. I'll simplify it a bit to not
export the new function as a public API, and test it with both cases.
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On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 13:53 +, Rodney Dawes wrote:
Ted, if that's the case, then why bother with it at all? You could just
wait until the new panel comes about, and have it Just Work (TM)
without all the breakage in the meantime, because the patch is
inadequate for dealing with a lot of
retarget to development release
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No, Scott, I'd like to backport the fix as an SRU.
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On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 15:55 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
No, Scott, I'd like to backport the fix as an SRU.
Sorry Mark, but changing a behaviour such as the ability to log out
*after* a release is insane!
All of the documentation and screenshots refer to the existence of those
menu
Scott James Remnant wrote:
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 15:55 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
No, Scott, I'd like to backport the fix as an SRU.
Sorry Mark, but changing a behaviour such as the ability to log out
*after* a release is insane!
Then reconsider the position before the
Martin Pitt wrote:
Right, I just don't see how to sanely do that use that button
over here educationary UI in the current state of intrepid (or at
all, but that requires some UI expert).
Exactly, so the better option is to move it, and let people figure it out.
The current patch shows
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 10:04 +, Martin Pitt wrote:
Sebastian, Ted, how can this be done sanely on upgrades? It'd require
some heuristics to figure out which of the existing panel objects can
be moved to the left, until we hit one which we can squeeze by the
width of fusa, and thus where the
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 08:27 +, Martin Pitt wrote:
So what should happen exactly for intrepid and for further releases?
Dynamic system menu? That needs to be implemented *very* quickly now
(Intrepid freezes tomorrow, and has been in UI freeze for a long time
already).
I think future
We should certainly place the FUSA in the top right, and lock it, for
all users.
what do we do for users who changed their gnome-panel to only have one
bar at the bottom of the screen for example? that's quite a common
scenario
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Sebastien Bacher wrote:
We should certainly place the FUSA in the top right, and lock it, for
all users.
what do we do for users who changed their gnome-panel to only have one
bar at the bottom of the screen for example? that's quite a common
scenario
Good point. We should pop it
Sebastien Bacher wrote:
I've nothing against the change and having a preference letting the user
select the layout to use would be alright
No, we don't want to introduce tons of preferences just to let people
stay on an old layout.
but doing dynamic menus change
depending of the configured
Martin Pitt wrote:
Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-15 7:34 -]:
No we don't. We only need the system menu entries if someone has removed
fusa. We will place fusa correctly for everyone on upgrade, and only
show a single set of menu entries.
As I said, once we actually do this, I
The user has upgraded the SYSTEM from 8.04 to 8.10. In the process, the
SYSTEM has changed, and one of those changes is the location of the menu
options to log out.
I've nothing against the change and having a preference letting the user
select the layout to use would be alright but doing
I believe there's a patch from Ted on this bug which implements the
conditional menu's, and it's working in a PPA. Can we have a review of
that from the platform team please?
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You
Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-15 8:56 -]:
We should place the menu in the correct place for all users - new,
upgrade, regardless of their configuration.
OK, it's at least much more consistent than the dynamic menu black
magic.
We should certainly place the FUSA in the top right, and lock
Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-15 7:34 -]:
No we don't. We only need the system menu entries if someone has removed
fusa. We will place fusa correctly for everyone on upgrade, and only
show a single set of menu entries.
As I said, once we actually do this, I could live with it, but right
** Attachment added: Patch to disable the session management items in the
System menu when the FUSA applet is in the panel.
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18533892/25_no_menu_with_fusa.patch
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I definitely think we shouldn't drop the system menu items, especially
based on whether or not some additional applet is in the panel. What one
applet does should have absolutely no effect on any other applets.
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Nack for Intrepid, way too close to the release, and we have more
pressing bugs to fight.
I seriously dislike this in general, too. So far the system menu entries
have been the only reliable way to shutdown/reboot/logout etc. If we
drop them, we need to document two different ways for doing that,
changing the menus layout dynamically this way seems something confusing
for users and not really a good idea, there is lot of users who still
use the menus and have the applet configured too
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Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-14 16:37 -]:
I think there is a simultaneous proposal to ensure that everyone gets
the FUSA applet, in the right place.
That was bug 274146, but it does not apply to everyone, just to
everyone who previously had fusa or the logout applet.
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Hi Mark,
Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-14 16:36 -]:
It would be poor to end up with multiple menu items on the panel
that do the same thing.
Aside from the fact that gnome-power-manager is already duplicating
functionality, too (suspend/resume), what is actually so bad about
this?
What do
Martin Pitt wrote:
Aside from the fact that gnome-power-manager is already duplicating
functionality, too (suspend/resume), what is actually so bad about
this?
It's bad form, from a usability perspective, to have lots of ways to
achieve the same goal. It's reasonable to lead people from one
Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-14 18:44 -]:
It's bad form, from a usability perspective, to have lots of ways to
achieve the same goal.
Agreed on that.
It's reasonable to lead people from one place where they often go
and peek to try and get something done to the right place
Right, I just
Martin Pitt wrote:
If we
drop them, we need to document two different ways for doing that, once
for people having fusa, and another for people who don't. Since earlier
Ubuntu releases didn't install either the logout or fusa, they don't
have another way, and got used to the system menu.
It would be poor to end up with multiple menu items on the panel that do
the same thing. What do you suggest we can do to shift the standard
behavior for folks who are used to the old way of doing it?
Mark
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