Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-11 Thread Thomas Vander Stichele
Hi, Oh, this is all fine for _GStreamer_, but bad for _GNOME_, because this sends away potencial GNOME contributors since it's simply too difficult to build it. Sorry to be so blunt, but I think it was selfish of the GStreamer project to have -Werror in the makefiles. Two notes: - -Werror

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-11 Thread Ross Burton
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 14:24 +0100, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: Two notes: - -Werror is only enabled for CVS; releases have it disabled by default. - http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/faq/html/chapter-cvs.html#werror also shows how easy it is to override the flags.

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hey, On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 16:20 +, Ross Burton wrote: I'm guessing that Gustavo thought that -Werror was enabled in the releases, which everyone agrees is a bad idea (new compilers warn about code in interesing ways). I agree that using strict compile flags in development is a good

Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread David Malcolm
Currently, a11y is not enabled by default in GNOME, as it has a performance cost (CPU and memory usage). But that means that there's a huge amount of code that isn't being exercised by most testers and developers. So here's a (possibly crazy) suggestion: during development releases, enable a11y

Re: Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread Kjartan Maraas
fre, 11,.11.2005 kl. 12.20 -0500, skrev David Malcolm: Currently, a11y is not enabled by default in GNOME, as it has a performance cost (CPU and memory usage). But that means that there's a huge amount of code that isn't being exercised by most testers and developers. So here's a

Re: Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 12:20 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: So here's a (possibly crazy) suggestion: during development releases, enable a11y by default, and during stable releases, disable it by default. That way people running jhbuild, GARNOME etc would be running all of the a11y code, and any

Re: Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On 11/11/05, Federico Mena Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 12:20 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: So here's a (possibly crazy) suggestion: during development releases, enable a11y by default, and during stable releases, disable it by default. That way people running

Re: Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread Vincent Untz
Le vendredi 11 novembre 2005 à 12:00 -0700, Elijah Newren a écrit : On 11/11/05, Federico Mena Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 12:20 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: So here's a (possibly crazy) suggestion: during development releases, enable a11y by default, and

Re: Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On 11/11/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, it effectively disables the reduced resources mode in metacity (except that the minimization animation remains off) which would result in part of Metacity being untested. Is there any reason for this behavior? It was done before I

Re: Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On 11/11/05, Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 12:00 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: [...] FWIW, it effectively disables the reduced resources mode in metacity (except that the minimization animation remains off) which would result in part of Metacity being

Re: Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread Alan Cox
On Gwe, 2005-11-11 at 20:23 +0100, Claudio Saavedra wrote: making GNOME crash. Instead of making this changes a *must* for all the people involved with the HEAD code, why not better making more noise (mailing lists, p.g.o, etc.) so everyone know that exists some areas of the desktop

Re: Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 12:00 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: FWIW, it effectively disables the reduced resources mode in metacity (except that the minimization animation remains off) which would result in part of Metacity being untested. So what you want is a tool to test code coverage, and an

Re: Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 20:23 +0100, Claudio Saavedra wrote: Considering that there are pros and cons, why force all developers, contributors and testers to take part in this? If you want a stable development platform, use the stable series, not CVS HEAD. When things start breaking in the basic

IMPORTANT: fix critical warnings before January 1st

2005-11-11 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
Dear hackers of GNOME, Vincent announced this the other day: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-November/msg6.html And there was a discussion of how to implement this plan. Glib now supports setting an environment variable, G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals. Doing this will

Re: IMPORTANT: fix critical warnings before January 1st

2005-11-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On 11/11/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/11/05, Federico Mena Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember, on January 1st 2006 this change will happen automatically, and things that have not been fixed will start crashing all over the place. So fix them now. In the meantime,

Re: Enable accessibility by default in development releases?

2005-11-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On 11/11/05, Federico Mena Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 12:18 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: It was done before I got involved with Metacity. You'd have to ask Bill, Havoc, or Rob, or maybe all three and hope that they all remember enough pieces to get the whole

Re: IMPORTANT: fix critical warnings before January 1st

2005-11-11 Thread Elijah Newren
[Dropping the devel-announce-list cc until we have an announcement rather than discussion] On 11/11/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/11/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why a keyword over say the status whiteboard? I don't imagine that people will widely search for

Re: IMPORTANT: fix critical warnings before January 1st

2005-11-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On 11/11/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/11/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno. Anyone have good suggestions? critical-warning-crasher maybe? Also, as an aside, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/reports/boogle.cgi?query=-CRITICAL; seems to be fairly good at

First weekly status report on GNOME Dictionary

2005-11-11 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
[Cc:-ing desktop-devel, and with my Flame-Resistant, I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Asbestos jacket on] Hi all. In order to let others know how's the status of GNOME Dictionary Breaking is progressing (and in order to force myself hacking on it regularly ;-)), I'm sending the Not So Weekly

Re: First weekly status report on GNOME Dictionary

2005-11-11 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, On 11/11/05, Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to let others know how's the status of GNOME Dictionary Breaking is progressing (and in order to force myself hacking on it regularly ;-)), I'm sending the Not So Weekly Status Report on GNOME Dictionary Containing