Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Ryan Lortie
On Wed, 2006-18-01 at 23:14 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: pragmatism, before we commit to path that none of our vendors or any other desktops want to share. In all fairness, I know that at least Ubuntu Dapper is using g-p-m. No idea about Edgy. Cheers. signature.asc Description: This is a

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Ryan Lortie
On Wed, 2006-18-01 at 10:32 -0500, William Jon McCann wrote: How is a system daemon more secure than a user session daemon? A system daemon runs as root (or some other 'special' user) and can be given special abilities without giving them to the user. A system daemon is also immune to user

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Ryan Lortie
On Wed, 2006-18-01 at 17:16 +0100, Mark Rosenstand wrote: Without actually using the stuff, I think this sounds pretty much like what HAL does (and g-p-m uses.) Definitely not. HAL is incapable of acting on its own (ie: making policy decisions). This is exactly the part that needs to be

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Richard Hughes
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 10:17 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: On Wed, 2006-18-01 at 23:14 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: pragmatism, before we commit to path that none of our vendors or any other desktops want to share. In all fairness, I know that at least Ubuntu Dapper is using g-p-m. No idea

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 10:17 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: On Wed, 2006-18-01 at 23:14 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: pragmatism, before we commit to path that none of our vendors or any other desktops want to share. In all fairness, I know that at least Ubuntu Dapper is using g-p-m. No idea

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Davyd Madeley
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 10:58 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: The question comes down to: is there sufficient reason not to use the best solution we have in favor of one that hasn't been spec'd, reviewed, or developed in the community or at all? For what it's worth, Davyd Madeley spec'd this

Re: Glib 2.10 / Pango 1.? for GNOME 2.14?

2006-01-19 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno mer, 18/01/2006 alle 10.21 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero ha scritto: Sorry that I dropped the ball on this, and haven't followed all the discussion. Other than Pango optimizations and and GSlice in Glib, is there a compelling reason

Gnome .desktop files

2006-01-19 Thread Luis Rodrigues
Hi, we are packaging gnome 2.12 for a Portuguese Linux distribution (www.alinex.org) and some of the application are not shown on the menu. For evince the file evince.desktop exits but has NoDisplay=true why? If we change it do false it works! This happens with a lot of applications, is this

Re: Glib 2.10 / Pango 1.? for GNOME 2.14?

2006-01-19 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 09:13 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: I think a better way to rephrase Federico's question is: should the floating stuff be rolled back? I think that was discussed and closed already. So we have a glib release that we want to not use?! The question is really about

Re: gtkspell (was Re: Announcing: Project Ridley)

2006-01-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 8/27/05, Chipzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a Gtk+ developer, but I think one of the criteria for being considered is: doesn't introduce a new library dependency, or maybe it can, if it really makes sense. Gtk+ depending on a spell checking library hardly makes sense, however. I would

Re: Gnome .desktop files

2006-01-19 Thread Manu Cornet
Hi ! This happens with a lot of applications, is this a bug or a feature? If I understand correctly, that would be a feature : do we really want all kinds of viewing applications clutter the menu ? I guess uers will just want evince (for example) to open when they double-click on a PDF or PS

Re: gtkspell (was Re: Announcing: Project Ridley)

2006-01-19 Thread Dominic Lachowicz
On 1/19/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/27/05, Chipzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a Gtk+ developer, but I think one of the criteria for being considered is: doesn't introduce a new library dependency, or maybe it can, if it really makes sense. Gtk+ depending on a

Re: Gnome .desktop files

2006-01-19 Thread Stanislav Brabec
Manu Cornet wrote: Hi ! This happens with a lot of applications, is this a bug or a feature? If I understand correctly, that would be a feature Yes. This bug is a feature. For example if you want to open application and then use DnD, or if you want to open web link using DnD, you will

Re: GStreamer version for 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 12:44 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: So, here's my proposal: Ship with 0.10. Have everything default to it. Also include 0.8 in the ftp directory, but not used. Include a big old section in the release notes explaining the situation and letting people know that they can

Re: GStreamer version for 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/18/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/15/06, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, So, the release team messed up and didn't keep close enough tabs on everything, resulting in discovering an issue pretty late. We need to try to find rough consensus in the

Re: gtkspell (was Re: Announcing: Project Ridley)

2006-01-19 Thread Mike Hearn
Dominic Lachowicz wrote: I'm not a Gtk+ developer, but I think one of the criteria for being considered is: doesn't introduce a new library dependency, or maybe it can, if it really makes sense. Gtk+ depending on a spell checking library hardly makes sense, however. I have to ask - why not? A

Re: GStreamer version for 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/19/06, Bob Kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transmogrify script/patch fails during build with the following error: Did you run autogen.sh after running the transmogrify script? Works for me, when also using autogen... ___ desktop-devel-list

Re: Glib 2.10 / Pango 1.? for GNOME 2.14?

2006-01-19 Thread Jan de Groot
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 08:44 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: - Has anyone confirmed that floating references are not an ABI break? You can test this by installing Glib HEAD on top of a GNOME 2.12 installation, and seeing if anything breaks. From my package manager: :: glib2: local

Re: GStreamer version for 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Bob Kashani
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 13:09 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: On 1/19/06, Bob Kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transmogrify script/patch fails during build with the following error: Did you run autogen.sh after running the transmogrify script? Works for me, when also using autogen...

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread David Zeuthen
On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 22:37 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: This would make the system more secure as a normal user process wouldn't be given the ability to 'suspend now' as g-p-m (and any system which makes policy decisions at user privilege) currently requires we provide it with. This

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/18/06, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with Ryan on this. I think we should give vendors a choice for the time being. It looks like the vendors have already jumped on and chosen g-p-m. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread David Zeuthen
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 10:58 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: This is exactly the problem. In order for g-p-m to do its stuff we have to add to HAL the ability for any user to say suspend the system now (since g-p-m needs to do this and it's just running as a normal user). If any user can say

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Alan Cox
On Iau, 2006-01-19 at 17:09 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Strong disagreement, see http://blog.fubar.dk/?p=63 for some ramblings why this is exactly what one wants to do. Yes, you need to answer how the system daemon is configured when no user is logged in (don't tell me some UNIX-y scheme with

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Kjartan Maraas
tor, 19,.01.2006 kl. 15.19 -0700, skrev Elijah Newren: On 1/18/06, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with Ryan on this. I think we should give vendors a choice for the time being. It looks like the vendors have already jumped on and chosen g-p-m. I'm in favour of this too. Most

Re: GStreamer version for 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 10:44 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: Okay, so this is now official; Gstreamer 0.10 is the plan for Gnome 2.14. There's only one minor change to my proposal above, namely that instead of adding unsed 0.8 tarballs to ftp just refer to them in the important notice in the

Re: GStreamer version for 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Bob Kashani
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 12:52 -0800, Bob Kashani wrote: On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 13:09 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: On 1/19/06, Bob Kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transmogrify script/patch fails during build with the following error: Did you run autogen.sh after running the

Re: GStreamer version for 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/19/06, Bob Kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 12:52 -0800, Bob Kashani wrote: On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 13:09 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: On 1/19/06, Bob Kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transmogrify script/patch fails during build with the following error:

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Davyd Madeley
Quoting David Zeuthen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What is the point here? Most distributions nowadays either support only GNOME or KDE; sure, they ship the other, but focus on just one of them. Personally I think that is fine.. We'll get kick-ass GNOME distros and kick-ass KDE distros. Also.. do you

Re: GStreamer version for 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/19/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Appears to be an errant 'm' character at the very beginning of gnome-media-2.13.6/grecord/src/gsr-window.c... any chance we could get an updated tarball with that fixed? I hope I didn't step on any toes or do anything inappropriate but since

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Davyd Madeley
Quoting Joe Marcus Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not sure about the KDE side of the house, but they seem to be more multi-OS (i.e. non-Linux) friendly out-of-the-box. I think this is simply a matter of technology. For a long time in GNOME all of that OS specific code was being replicated over

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread David Zeuthen
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 23:14 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: I'm with Ryan on this. I think we should give vendors a choice for the time being. He also raises excellent points about what gnome-power-manager is (that is, it is very GNOME centric). When I first envisioned something like this, I

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread David Zeuthen
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 14:19 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: Richard Hughes wrote: Of course, this wonderful system does not exist. Again, gnome-power-manager is the best offering we have at this time. Thanks! Making g-p-m very closely tied to other GNOME stuff allows it and other