On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Dylan McCall wrote:
> Similarly, all sorts of applications choose to hide within the
> notification area because they want to stay out of the user's way and
> window managers fail to provide the necessary functionality themselves.
> Thus, they take window managemen
Le vendredi 17 avril 2009, à 20:55 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit :
> The point is deps are not changed at random, the person merging code
> changes is the best person to update build deps. This is unfortunately
> not something you can always find in ChangeLog/NEWS.
What about reminding maintainer
Le vendredi 17 avril 2009, à 11:46 -0400, Owen Taylor a écrit :
> B) Drop MAINTAINERS and move the information to the DOAP file.
> (There would be some sort of transition period where we would
> support both.)
>
> I like B) better; I'd rather one file than a collection of little files.
Le samedi 18 avril 2009, à 22:28 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit :
> Jaap A. Haitsma wrote:
>
> > I just did my first commit with git (Yay!!). However I first made a
> > mistake and made a new remote branch called jaap in the cheese
> > project.
> > I now want to remove that branch because it was a
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 22:23 -0400, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
> > I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango to generate ChangeLog from
> git on
> > demand. Those macros have been modified and gathered in
> > http://live.gnome.org/Git/ChangeLog to only generate ChangeLog for
> "make
> > dist". I wo
Le samedi 18 avril 2009, à 10:03 +0100, Richard Hughes a écrit :
> Can I bump the external dependencies version of DeviceKit-power from 006
> to 007 for 2.27.x please? 007 was released a few weeks ago, and fixes
> many bugs I don't want to work around in gnome-power-manager anymore.
Sounds good. P
Applets in general are broken because they are no different in
functionality from regular applications, or from each other (in terms of
desklets vs panel applets vs. the notification area). Many applets are
applets because they have very small, simple interfaces; too small to
justify having big top
Hey Owen,
> The main open question for gnome-shell is not how to implement them.
> It's the user interface question. And when we look at the user interface
> question I think the label "applet" is a bit deceptive. We have all sort
> of different things that are applets, and their only commonality
2009/4/20 Owen Taylor :
> The last thing I'll mention here is that I don't think we should be
> overly concerned with porting and applet parity. If there was no system
> monitor applet in GNOME 3.0, life would go on. What we should be
> concerned about is creating the ecosystem where it's easy and
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Owen Taylor wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 16:23 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:54:43PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
>> One man's crack is another's basic functionality.
>
> Note that "Crack" was in quotes. I think it's legitimate for adva
Dan Winship wrote:
> Who are these people who read
> ChangeLog, and what is it that they're doing with it, such that NEWS is
> too brief, but a fully-VCS-ed source tree is unnecessary.
Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> The ChangeLog are quite handy for distribution packages, they have a
> list of the chan
2009/4/20 Luca Ferretti :
> [0] and for vendors' sake too. A recent example: Dell is adding a
> stupid applet on Mini 9, a simple "help" icon to pop-up a menu, each
> menu entry pointing to a different section of Ubuntu guide (Internet,
> Music, Updates, Printers..). For me this is the most unusefu
2009/4/19 Emmanuele Bassi :
> On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 23:26 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote:
>
>> Fortunately Ubuntu is yet experimenting on alternate, ephimeral
>> notifications ;)
>
> that has nothing to do with applets, gadgets/widgets/desktlets/whatever
> and resident application.
I've a different p
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:37 -0400, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:
> >
> > But that's just a gut feeling and maybe it's wrong. The point is,
> > ChangeLogs were invented back when RCS-files-on-an-NFS-server was the
> > pinnacle of version control technology, and maybe what was most useful
> > then isn't
Brian Cameron schrieb:
>
> Emmanuele:
>
>> we've been changing the platform gradually over the years, mostly by
>> deprecating stuff and including new functionality. nevertheless, I
>> haven't heard a single justification for the continued existence of
>> "applets".
>
> I wonder how this fits in
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 12:17 -0400, Dan Winship wrote:
> Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship wrote:
> > [...]
> >> So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git
> >> history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who n
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 20 avril 2009 à 12:17 -0400, Dan Winship a écrit :
>> Who are these people who read ChangeLog
> Hi,
>
> The ChangeLog are quite handy for distribution packages, they have a
> list of the changes you can look at quickly and the clo
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> On 04/20/2009 12:37 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>> Not the same. Fitts' law. Having Tomboy applet in border of screen
>> makes it crazy big target to hit with mouse, which is good. Notification
>> icon is many times harder to hit. The same st
Le lundi 20 avril 2009 à 12:17 -0400, Dan Winship a écrit :
> Who are these people who read ChangeLog
Hi,
The ChangeLog are quite handy for distribution packages, they have a
list of the changes you can look at quickly and the closed bug numbers.
Usually NEWS summary are either not there or listi
On 04/20/2009 12:45 PM, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:58 -0400, Dan Winship wrote:
So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git
history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need
more information than NEWS gives, but who wou
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:58 -0400, Dan Winship wrote:
> So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git
> history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need
> more information than NEWS gives, but who would not want to actually
> check out the source tree
On 04/20/2009 12:37 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:24:38PM -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
On 04/19/2009 05:38 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
The Tomboy applet is an extremely convenient way to access
your notes. You think of it as wasting valuable screen
real estate. But to a hea
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:24:38PM -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
> On 04/19/2009 05:38 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
>> The Tomboy applet is an extremely convenient way to access
>> your notes. You think of it as wasting valuable screen
>> real estate. But to a heavy note-taking person, it's just
>> r
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
> On 04/19/2009 05:38 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
>>
>> The Tomboy applet is an extremely convenient way to access
>> your notes. You think of it as wasting valuable screen
>> real estate. But to a heavy note-taking person, it's just
>> really
On 04/19/2009 05:38 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
The Tomboy applet is an extremely convenient way to access
your notes. You think of it as wasting valuable screen
real estate. But to a heavy note-taking person, it's just
really convenient.
Except that Tomboy using a status icon in the notificati
Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship wrote:
> [...]
>> So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git
>> history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need
>> more information than NEWS gives, but who would not want t
Emmanuele:
we've been changing the platform gradually over the years, mostly by
deprecating stuff and including new functionality. nevertheless, I
haven't heard a single justification for the continued existence of
"applets".
I wonder how this fits in with the gdesklets project, if at all. I
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Ruben Vermeersch wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 11:20 -0400, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship wrote:
>> [...]
>> > So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git
>> > history on one end and NEWS o
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 14:02 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> Could we get the ChangeLog generation added as a macro to gnome-common?
There's a bug for it, but no apparent activity (yet):
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579279
Philip
> That would make it easier, and more consistent. We sh
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 11:20 -0400, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship wrote:
> [...]
> > So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git
> > history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need
> > more information tha
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship wrote:
[...]
> So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git
> history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need
> more information than NEWS gives, but who would not want to actually
> check out the source
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 16:23 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:54:43PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
> > "Crack"
> > ===
> >
> > Brightness applet
> > Inhibit Applet
>
> There will be often differences in opionions. I, for one, use above
> two applets very often. First, bec
Alexander Larsson wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:00 -0400, Dan Winship wrote:
>> Here's something to generate a fairly traditional-looking ChangeLog
>> (though working on the assumption that you're doing the subject vs body
>> split in your git commit messages):
>>
>> git log --date=short --pret
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:00 -0400, Dan Winship wrote:
> Alexander Larsson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> >> I like the more verbose format clearly showing which changes are big and
> >> which
> >> are small.
> >
> > Well, I don't really disagree that its n
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:54:43PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
> "Crack"
> ===
>
> Brightness applet
> Inhibit Applet
There will be often differences in opionions. I, for one, use above
two applets very often. First, because changing brightness keyboard
shortcut require two hands on my laptop
On 04/20/2009 02:34 AM, Steve Frécinaux wrote:
Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
The idea is that .gitignore files are autogenerated and are NOT stored
in the repository. To use, just copy git.mk into your toplevel, add it
to git, run "make -f git.mk" and commit all changes it makes to your
tree...
If th
Alexander Larsson wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>> I like the more verbose format clearly showing which changes are big and
>> which
>> are small.
>
> Well, I don't really disagree that its nice to know. However, all such
> info is readily availible in git
R
On 04/20/2009 10:00 AM, Dan Winship wrote:
Alexander Larsson wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
I like the more verbose format clearly showing which changes are big and which
are small.
Well, I don't really disagree that its nice to know. However, all such
info is
Alexander Larsson wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
On 04/20/2009 09:02 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 12:48 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote:
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 21:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Hey,
I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pang
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> On 04/20/2009 09:02 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 12:48 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 21:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> >>> Hey,
> >>>
> >>> I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango t
On 04/20/2009 09:02 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 12:48 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote:
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 21:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Hey,
I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango to generate ChangeLog from git on
demand. Those macros have been modified and gath
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 12:48 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 21:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango to generate ChangeLog from git on
> > demand. Those macros have been modified and gathered in
> > http://live.gnome.
Kalle Vahlman schrieb:
> 2009/4/17 Stefan Kost :
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I am using librsvg to get pixbufs for my app. I could not find a dedicated
>> list,
>> for it, hope this one is okay.
>>
>> First I am using deprecated api:
>> rsvg_pixbuf_from_file_at_size
>> as when using
>> rsvg_handle_get_pix
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Owen Taylor schrieb:
> [...]
>
> The last thing I'll mention here is that I don't think we should be
> overly concerned with porting and applet parity. If there was no system
> monitor applet in GNOME 3.0, life would go on. What we should be
> concern
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Matteo Settenvini schrieb:
>> Just to give some ideas
>> * do applets need to be in the panel
>
> No, and that's why Superkaramba - KDE, Google and Microsoft have come up
> with on-screen widgets, which may be the solution ebassi is searching
> for?
>
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Emmanuele Bassi schrieb:
> no need to Cc me in: I'm subscribe to d-d-l.
>
> On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 16:02 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote:
>
>>> what do applets provide, nowadays, and are they even remotely useful?
>>> what can deskbar-applet provide
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 23:58 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Owen Taylor wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 13:19 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 22:44 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Not really sure where to direct this, bu
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 21:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango to generate ChangeLog from git on
> demand. Those macros have been modified and gathered in
> http://live.gnome.org/Git/ChangeLog to only generate ChangeLog for "make
> dist". I wond
Hi!
> (I'm talking about Empathy, Pidgin, RhythmBox, and Banshee
> here. And probably quite a lot more.)
Well, these are part of the notification area - they will mostly remain
the way they are (so I think the RhythmBox and Banshee icons are
completely useless). I think the point of applets is
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