Re: Branch notifications

2009-11-27 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 04:43:10PM +, Calum Benson wrote: Since the git migration, we have automatic notifications for any branch using the standard gnome-MAJOR-MINOR scheme. They go out to release-team, gnome-doc-list, and gnome-i18n. Could the mail also go to the developer who made

Re: Branch notifications

2009-11-27 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 01:03:13PM -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: The only potential problem is that the emails come from your username @src.gnome.org. I know sha...@gnome.org gets to my inbox, and I think sha...@src.gnome.org does as well. But do we have proper aliases set up for everybody who

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 04:41:19PM +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: Hi Matthew, Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 17:05 +0100 schrieb Matthew Garrett: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 05:02:56PM +0100, Rob Taylor wrote: So we discussed this at the kernel-fixing-bof at GCDS. IIRC we basically decided that

Re: Module proposal: dconf

2009-10-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 09:26:56AM -0400, Martin Meyer wrote: It sounds like the backend for GSettings is somewhat pluggagle, at least on a per-platform basis. Can we make this configurable by the distro people at compile-time or runtime? Here's my thinking: Let me add my thinking. The

Re: Danger: older bugs are getting squashed with NEEDINFO

2009-09-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 04:15:19PM +0200, Pietro Battiston wrote: Then, once someone offers to be the glade bugs maintainer, I think we could ask that he checks every bug once a year. You're restating what has been suggested. If a bug is valid, mark it as NEW. It was already proposed that the

Re: Non-Ported Bugzilla Features (WAS Re: Bugzilla Upgrade Scheduled For August 15-16)

2009-08-10 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:22:18AM -0700, Max Kanat-Alexander wrote: Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: Maybe a good idea to tell everyone which features have not been ported yet. Otherwise you get a lot of mails which say something is not working which used to work Good idea! Here's the list of

Re: What version of clutter should be used in 2.27/2.28?

2009-08-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 11:36:14AM +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: I agree: since all users of Clutter in GNOME have already switched to the 0.9/1.0 API, the external dependency should be bumped. Intention was to use 1.0, just waiting for the release. Please update wiki+jhbuild -- Regards, Olav

Re: libwnck: Offering helpG

2009-07-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 08:34:27PM +0200, Marcus Carlson wrote: I've been browsing around the bugs of libwnck, also submitted a few patches [1], and what I can see it don't get a lot of attention. So I would like to help out (but with mentoring). Vincent Untz (vu...@gnome.org) is supposed

Re: dependable libwnck

2009-07-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 08:41:06AM +, Richard Henwood wrote: I'm developing an application which current has 'libwnck' as the only external dependency which is not part of the Gnome dependable dependencies as listed on: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven/ExternalDependencies It

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 10:53:55PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Le mardi 05 mai 2009, à 01:51 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit : On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Marc-André Lureau marcandre.lur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:10:42PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: IMO you should make a good argument to switch, not the other way around. What I'm proposing makes things simpler. Do I need to make a good argument of why simple things are good? You gave as reason 'you just switched your SCM

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:52:54PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:10:42PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: IMO you should make a good argument to switch, not the other way around. What I'm

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:33:59AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:52:54PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: On Tue, May 05

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:13:07AM +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:33:59AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Imagine someone who has been on a GNOME hiatus or is a new comer. What

Re: Git day minus 1

2009-04-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:48:28AM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: (Overall status is about 480/580 repositories converted at this point, including all the big ones.) Not at all time critical, just wondering: The SVN archive modules, can these also be migrated? -- Regards, Olav

Re: Adding module descriptions

2009-04-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:18:03AM -0400, Dan Winship wrote: Owen Taylor wrote: Thanks to Shaun McCance there's no need to worry about how to create a DOAP file, just find your module in: http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/pulse/web/ And select the Download DOAP template file link to get

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-13 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:45:56AM -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: What other changes in GNOME 2.30 depend on inclusion of mutter and gnome-shell? Not really sure why we are willing to hold back the 2.30 release, instead of holding back the inclusion of gnome-shell. GNOME 2.30 does not

Re: Gnome Games will make 3D mandatory for 2.28

2009-03-24 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:21:48PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: This is not a proposal or RFC. This is what is happening; I am merely make it abundantly clear well in advance of it being released to the general public. Games which will require 3D for 2.28: * Gnometris * Lights Off

Re: Dependency bump for Clutter for Gnome 2.28

2009-03-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:54:58PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: Okay to bump official depends on Clutter and Clutter-GTK from the 0.8.x API to 0.9/1.0 API? I fully expect it to stabilize and have a 1.0 release before 2.28. Also, Clutter Cairo is now part of Clutter. You mean as of 2.27.x?

Re: New Gnome Goals

2009-02-25 Thread Olav Vitters
[ Should this discussion be on all mailing lists? Oh well. ] On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:42:52PM -0500, Adam Schreiber wrote: In preparation for SoC, the Gnome SoC admins have decided that in order to help make decisions on proposals this year, we will be requiring links to bugs with patches

Re: D-Bus replacement for AT-SPI Accessibility

2009-02-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 05:27:02PM +, Mark Doffman wrote: How important is the removal of ORBit / Bonobo to Gnome plans? We'd like nothing to use it anymore by 2.30. If things have to change to make it happen, that should be acceptable (with the change of 2.30 -- 3.x). -- Regards, Olav

Re: devel-announce-list messages now appear on http://news.gnome.org/

2009-01-27 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:12:06PM +0100, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: In an effort to make it easier to follow the GNOME release process, I've added the feed of devel-announce-list to http://news.gnome.org/. Could someone

Re: Please block this off-topic crap (Re: Obama -- The Judas Goat)

2009-01-26 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:19:14AM -0500, Willie Walker wrote: I don't know what a TXT record is, so I'm not sure how that would help. But, the user certainly seemed adamant that gnome.org should have one. SPF doesn't work. -- Regards, Olav ___

Re: Running GNOME in jhbuild session eat all CPU

2009-01-24 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 02:06:56PM +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: Sorry to write here, but I've no idea how to investigate this issue that only recently is happening in my jhbuild session. Mandriva had such an issue as well. The cause was a bug in X, killing gnome-screensaver avoided the X bug.

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:34:47PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:18 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: I am not evading. Stop trying to make this personal. I don't care about CoC, I don't like you're talking to me. Please. Stop trying to make this look like it's personal

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:00:52AM -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: I'd like to help with another path forward, namely native git repositories since I believe that is what most of the community wants. As you said, it isn't clear how it could work for non-sysadmins to come up with clear proposal

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 08:10:21AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: This is pretty decent analysis going on here :) I'd like to remind people of John Carr's recent blog post too, someone mentioned in the survey results actually. JC has been working on bzr with git protocol support, which

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:40:33AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: That isn't a contest. It is a survey. Please don't read more in to my email than I intended. There's no need to get defensive. It is not defensive. I

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's crazy to officially want to support git, bzr and hg *at* the same time *from* the same

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:37:05PM +0100, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that the points I made

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 12:04:30AM +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: Hi! It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of gnome. I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someone writes

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:05:30PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a terrible idea? You expect me

Re: Reduced Bugzilla functionality for 6+ months -- acceptable?

2008-12-10 Thread Olav Vitters
Not much discussion. Moving on to making priority list (Max made a proposal, proposed some changes). Next steps is to get the funding, then publish timeframe. Initial upgrade won't be just Bz 3.2, so it'll take a while before bgo is upgraded. I won't to show when approx. the upgrade will occur

Re: Reduced Bugzilla functionality for 6+ months -- acceptable?

2008-12-10 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 01:14:53PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: Not much discussion. Moving on to making priority list (Max made a proposal, proposed some changes). Next steps is to get the funding, then publish timeframe. Initial upgrade won't be just Bz 3.2, so it'll take a while before bgo

Re: Reporting crashes [was: Reduced Bugzilla functionality]

2008-12-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:25:43AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 04 décembre 2008 à 20:17 +0100, Cosimo Cecchi a écrit : Technically, bug-buddy is already capable of creating minidumps and push them to a crash.gnome.org server, and this would be great indeed, but AFAICT it

Re: Reduced Bugzilla functionality for 6+ months -- acceptable?

2008-12-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 12:27:52AM -0800, Max Kanat-Alexander wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:54:44 -0700 Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those may be first, but I think it's also important to explicitly list the following: Yeah, they're all in the list. :-) General FYI: There

Re: Update Python version to = 2.5

2008-12-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 01:32:30PM +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: There were no objections, so let's celebrate Python 3.0 release with updating the minimum Python version to be 2.5. Still will break the buildbot on RHEL5 (never found bootstrap Python to work with x86_64). -- Regards, Olav

Reduced Bugzilla functionality for 6+ months -- acceptable?

2008-12-04 Thread Olav Vitters
The GNOME Bugzilla is still using 2.20. Current stable upstream is at 3.2. The stable version has several benefits, but overall: * no crappy table locking, while still allowing full text indexing (table locking causes many performance problems) * Upstream supported XMLRPC (not perfect, but

Re: Reduced Bugzilla functionality for 6+ months -- acceptable?

2008-12-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 05:19:28PM +0100, Cosimo Cecchi wrote: Hi Olav, On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 17:00 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: For that the proposal is that the following is not part of the initial upgraded bgo: * The points system * index.cgi UI mods * Making a new favicon

Re: Reduced Bugzilla functionality for 6+ months -- acceptable?

2008-12-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:17:01AM -0500, Martin Meyer wrote: Since the year-end stats won't be immediately available, can we wait until just after the new year to do any migrations? Let's let someone run that report and send out an email with the contents first. That way we won't care if that

Re: Reduced Bugzilla functionality for 6+ months -- acceptable?

2008-12-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:31:28AM -0500, Luis Villa wrote: One question I'd have: are there any steps that can be/will be taken to minimize the pain during the inevitable next upgrade? Commitment to getting changes upstream, use of DVCS, etc.? Getting back to trunk Upstream: I'll check again.

Re: Reduced Bugzilla functionality for 6+ months -- acceptable?

2008-12-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:17:14AM -0500, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GNOME Bugzilla is still using 2.20. Current stable upstream is at 3.2. The stable version has several benefits, but overall: * no crappy table

Re: Reduced Bugzilla functionality for 6+ months -- acceptable?

2008-12-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:14:04PM +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: Olav Vitters cited: * Layout modifications for attachment table and the login box * Patch and keyword emblems * show_bug.cgi UI re-ordering float-right box * Asking people if they've provided the NEEDINFO info

Re: Reduced Bugzilla functionality for 6+ months -- acceptable?

2008-12-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:42:36PM +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Le jeudi 04 décembre 2008, à 17:00 +0100, Olav Vitters a écrit : Is above acceptable? The current situation is a dead-end, so I'm all for moving, even if we lose some stuff. Yeah, but I need to know: * what priority should

Re: Add -D*_DISABLE_SINGLE_INCLUDES to GNOME_MAINTAINER_MODE_DEFINES

2008-10-30 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 03:48:09PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: 10 days and no replies or objections. I think it makes sense to do it for 2.26. Go! General FYI: We (r-t) also discussed this as a GNOME goal for 2.26 (fix single includes). There should be a wiki page for it. -- Regards, Olav

Re: DVCS

2008-10-29 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:04:01PM +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:02 AM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] conclusion since that is exactly how it seemed like. However, that wasn't the point of my mail but to emphasize that it's been quite some time

Re: DVCS

2008-10-28 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 04:24:25PM +0200, Zeeshan Ali Khattak wrote: I remember that at GUADEC, we were seriously thinking about migrating to git but the decision was postponed on Mark Shuttleworth's request. It's been some months since that and we are still stuck with It wasn't delayed at

Re: Silly wallpaper hack (or get yourself a PlayStation 3)

2008-10-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 04:50:32PM +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 16:04 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: I've grown to love the PS3's background fading feature so I've decided to give it a go for

Re: Collecting reviews of 2.24 release

2008-09-29 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 01:51:23PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Apologies - I sent this from the incorrect address. I suspect the recent changes in forwarding bounces on gnome.org caught the emails which would have told me my email was being held in moderation (and if I had received them, I would

Re: Disallowing bounces

2008-09-24 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 03:35:52PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: Per today the gnome.org mailserver will not accept bounces generated by external systems. This as these things are flooding mailing lists, @gnome.org aliases and the ticketing systems. Note: The server

Re: Project Hamster now in GNOME SVN

2008-08-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 03:32:07PM +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: Patryk Zawadzki wrote: Can someone change the repository in all relevant places including but probably not limited to jhbuild? I updated jhbuild; you should mail to gnome-i18n@ to be sure damned-lies is also updated. I

Re: [+gnome] Re: Project Hamster now in GNOME SVN

2008-08-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 09:53:06AM -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: If you're going to change it, save everybody a lot of typing and call the SVN module hamster. :-) Personally I think it's no big deal to keep it the way it is. Whatever the name, bugzilla product, tarball name, svn module,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] aliases

2008-08-12 Thread Olav Vitters
The GNOME mailserver contains various [EMAIL PROTECTED] aliases. These are aliases to various mailing lists. For instance: $ cat gedit-maint maggi AT athena polito it $ cat gnome-panel-maint These files were last generated on Jan 2005. I can't find the script used to create these aliases.

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aliases

2008-08-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 05:39:18PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: The GNOME mailserver contains various [EMAIL PROTECTED] aliases. ... Does anyone make use of these maint aliases? They are somewhat incomplete. E.g. there is a glib-maint, but I couldn't find a gtk+-maint

Re: libcanberra as an external dependency

2008-08-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 01:24:55PM -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: Bastien Nocera wrote: We're trying to kill esound completely, and having the release-team look in the other direction when we're adding those new dependencies is the easiest way for us to move in that direction. In any cases,

Re: External Deps: Minimal Python dependency

2008-07-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 05:56:27PM +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: As mentioned in [1] sqlite is a blessed external dependency now. I want to use sqlite for Deskbar-Applet, too. Because, Python 2.5 has a built-in sqlite module I suggest increasing the minimal version to 2.5 from

Re: External Deps: Minimal Python dependency

2008-07-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:19:24PM +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: Olav Vitters schrieb: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 05:56:27PM +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: As mentioned in [1] sqlite is a blessed external dependency now. I want to use sqlite for Deskbar-Applet, too. Because, Python 2.5 has

Re: Future of GNOME: Semantics

2008-06-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:37:35AM +0200, Anders Feder wrote: Olav, tir, 17 06 2008 kl. 00:09 +0200, skrev Olav Vitters: People who do stuff don't generally join because of an interesting idea. Then there is clearly more than one type of people who do stuff. Not sure why you respond like

Re: Future of GNOME: Semantics

2008-06-16 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:59:39PM +0200, Anders Feder wrote: man, 16 06 2008 kl. 22:37 +0200, skrev Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen: So the bottom line is - you need to do a heck of a lot of heavy lifting and boring work for things to take off - and that over a very long period of time. This is

Re: Future of GNOME: Semantics

2008-06-14 Thread Olav Vitters
Could you turn this into at least one concrete example? I don't understand what you're proposing aside from 'use RDF everywhere'. -- Regards, Olav ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Eel compilations issue

2008-06-02 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 05:25:13PM -0400, Og Maciel wrote: Luis Felipe Strano Moraes wrote: The -Werror flag is probably what's causing it not to compile. I'm not really doing anything special besides using the package's own setup... but it's funny that the snapshot works... maybe a diff

Re: Getting a list of open files, the smart way?

2008-05-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 01:21:36PM -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Don't we have a library that manages this stuff? Is it not possible to query this library on the Exec line? No we don't or at least I didn't find one. And it seems that grepping for Exec lines is not a good idea

Re: Why do GNOMEdevelopers almost exclusively use git mirrors and for example not bzr mirrors

2008-04-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 08:14:50AM +0100, Ross Burton wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 08:35 +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: I was just wondering why many GNOME developers are using git mirror and for example not a bzr mirror? If I for example read http://live.gnome.org/DistributedSCM I have the

Re: Why do GNOMEdevelopers almost exclusively use git mirrors and for example not bzr mirrors

2008-04-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 11:13:36AM +0200, Étienne Bersac wrote: I also find bzr not as robust as git in general. Without specific details or bugreports, above is not useful. -- Regards, Olav ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: Why do GNOMEdevelopers almost exclusively use git mirrors and for example not bzr mirrors

2008-04-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 11:45:34AM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: (At least, that's what I understand) Indeed. This might be hard to do within Bzr (IIRC what Elijah said), due to repository format / design. -- Regards, Olav ___ desktop-devel-list

Re: Why do GNOMEdevelopers almost exclusively use git mirrors and for example not bzr mirrors

2008-04-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 01:48:28PM +0200, Ali Sabil wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 11:45:34AM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: (At least, that's what I understand) Indeed. This might be hard to do within Bzr (IIRC

Re: Removing libgnomeprint* from the desktop set

2008-03-31 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:48:55AM -0500, Mike Kestner wrote: On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 17:56 +0200, Matteo Settenvini wrote: I believe the point is exactly that it's deprecated and unmaintained. Putting it outside of GNOME gives a strong signal to developers. For the record, that wasn't a

Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule

2008-03-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 03:57:45PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: 10. Easy mounting of Images like ISO and CUE This seems to be in the process of being included, thanks to GVFS. Indeed, but it would have been nice to know this was important to users before. The fact that GVFS allows

Re: install-module on master.gnome.org

2008-03-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:54:41PM +0200, Stefan Kost wrote: Vincent Untz schrieb: Le jeudi 20 mars 2008, à 14:41 +0100, Stefan Kost a écrit : hej, one question for 'install-module foo-X.Y.tar.gz' on master.gnome.org. Does anyone knows how to handle 'foo-X.Y.news' and

Re: install-module on master.gnome.org

2008-03-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:13:05PM +0200, Stefan Kost wrote: Install-module is not the only place where x.y.z is expected. I'm planning to rewrite install-module in Python and hopefully I can add something that handles the .0 case; together with .exe files. Note that it will be much

Re: install-module on master.gnome.org

2008-03-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 05:33:38PM -0400, Andrew Cowie wrote: On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 22:26 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: - checking of sane versions (no 'rc1' 'beta1' etc) Why not? If a project wants to do that, that's their business. Because it confuses the ordering. There is no reliable

Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule

2008-03-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 07:58:59PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: To summarize this, GNOME ain't Windows and we ain't Microsoft. We don't and probably will never have budget to have huge marketing studies about what users want. Microsoft thosed tons of money to investigate new

Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule

2008-03-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 07:10:35PM +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2008-03-18 at 19:55 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 08:16:21PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: snip There's a bug report for that dating 2003: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103817

Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule

2008-03-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 08:09:40PM +0100, Cosimo Cecchi wrote: On Tue, 2008-03-18 at 20:16 +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: I find #10 particularily interesting; are developers really aware that so many users want that? is bugzilla enough to see such kind of things? is it really true that

Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule

2008-03-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:12:59AM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /snip Yes. Ubuntu is acting as a translator between user and developer. Which is what I am suggesting you could do as well. Right

Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule

2008-03-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 05:31:09PM -0500, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: On 3/18/08, Felipe Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a GNOME user and FOSS developer that would like to know which are the features users want. Knowing that is a step closer into making a consequential contribution.

Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule

2008-03-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:50:50PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: Still the input from the user-base is not considered? Please be more specific. Feedback was requested regarding the schedule. There was enough time to provide feedback. How much a simple most-wanted-feature poll could hurt?

Re: help sanity check the release notes

2008-03-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 02:28:38PM -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: Typo found on the published page: cdda:// will show all of the audio tracks on a CD, available was WAV files. (should be as WAV files) Let me know if there's some way I can just go in and fix it. That would break

Re: help sanity check the release notes

2008-03-02 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 11:08:12AM +0100, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: FTP support has been added to GVFS SVN in the last couple of days. So I think the remark in rndevelopers.xml that FTP is not supported is obsolete. Thanks, rewrote the text. -- Regards, Olav

Re: help sanity check the release notes

2008-03-01 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:04:11PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:04:17PM +0900, Davyd Madeley wrote: What this means is that if you think you have a stake in the release notes, you should sanity check them for me. It's really easy to do: Step 1. Check them out

Re: help sanity check the release notes

2008-03-01 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 12:49:10PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:04:11PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:04:17PM +0900, Davyd Madeley wrote: What this means is that if you think you have a stake in the release notes, you should sanity check

Re: help sanity check the release notes

2008-02-29 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:04:17PM +0900, Davyd Madeley wrote: What this means is that if you think you have a stake in the release notes, you should sanity check them for me. It's really easy to do: Step 1. Check them out from SVN: svn co

Re: Tomboy replacement

2008-02-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:19:12AM -0500, Mark Fink wrote: Is it because you sold out to M$ and Novell!? I bet so. From http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct: 'Be respectful and considerate' It seems you ignored the various requests to change your tone and my warning. You will be unsubscribed

Re: Tomboy replacement

2008-02-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:20:01AM -0500, Joe Shaw wrote: Anyway, I can't believe this is the thread that is going to cause me to unsubscribe from d-d-l. Didn't I deal with it correctly[1]? Complaints about bad mailing list behaviour is always welcome at [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /

Re: Tomboy replacement

2008-02-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:23:53AM -0500, Adam Schreiber wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Mark Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then sticky notes needs to replace Tomboy as the official GNOME notes program because it is stupid to allow MONO into GNOME. MONO programs CANNOT be allowed

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 09:28:21AM -0500, Luis Villa wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 9:24 AM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:13:45PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: I agree. We shouldn'd discard the possibility of either postponing the gvfs-based Nautilus or delaying

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:13:45PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: I agree. We shouldn'd discard the possibility of either postponing the gvfs-based Nautilus or delaying the .0 release if needed. Obviously, releasing Nautilus with too many or some big regressions is not a good plan. More for

Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule (Draft)

2008-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 01:59:58PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentythree Note that: * it is 28 weeks instead of 26. 1 additional week as 2.20 is 25, another was needed to align with GUADEC (to prevent announcement periods during GUADEC or releasing while

Re: HIG says Page Setup not Page Setup...

2008-02-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 11:03:34AM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: I looked at the commits within KDE. There you see e.g. art people committing directly into modules (without bug reports, etc). Other people also made certain changes that weren't specific to that module. e.g. for gnome-blog some

Re: HIG says Page Setup not Page Setup...

2008-02-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 10:48:01AM +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno lun, 04/02/2008 alle 21.55 +0100, Olav Vitters ha scritto: On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 06:09:00PM +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: I've just opened bugs against eog, evince, evolution and gedit to remove the trailing

Re: HIG says Page Setup not Page Setup...

2008-02-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 06:09:00PM +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: I've just opened bugs against eog, evince, evolution and gedit to remove the trailing ellipsis from File-Page Setup menu entry. Bugs are 514352, 524354, 514355, 514356. Maybe I am crazy[1].. but ehr.. why not have a *very short*

This proposal doesn't imply extra work (was: Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file)

2008-01-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Jan 18, 2008 9:49 AM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Summary: I'd like replace the MAINTAINERS requirement by doap files. I have a partial script that I want to expand to include as much info as I can possibly can add automatically (everything until the 'and others' above). Just

Re: This proposal doesn't imply extra work (was: Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file)

2008-01-21 Thread Olav Vitters
[forgot the reply-all, sorry] On Jan 21, 2008 12:54 PM, Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 21.01.2008, 12:16 +0100 schrieb Olav Vitters: On Jan 18, 2008 9:49 AM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Summary: I'd like replace the MAINTAINERS requirement by doap files

Re: This proposal doesn't imply extra work (was: Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file)

2008-01-21 Thread Olav Vitters
[sorry, keep forgetting to hit reply-all... wonder how often I missed this before.. maybe you'll see some older forwarded replies from me tonight] On Jan 21, 2008 4:07 PM, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I understood, the doap files will live in their own separate module, so

Re: Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file

2008-01-21 Thread Olav Vitters
[old email where I forgot reply-all] On Jan 18, 2008 12:48 PM, Paolo Borelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 09:49 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: Things that could use doap: * moap (https://thomas.apestaart.org/moap/trac) * maintainer.py (http://developer.imendio.com/projects

Re: Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file

2008-01-21 Thread Olav Vitters
[another email where I forgot to cc the mailing lists] On Jan 18, 2008 1:36 PM, Étienne Bersac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do fully agree with Paolo. Making project hosting more automatic and more consistent would be so nice. For gnome-scan, i still didn't updated to latest gnome.org theme nor

Re: Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file

2008-01-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 02:26:54PM +0100, Mathias Hasselmann wrote: So let's bring this at some constructive level. Attached is a script that converts files of this kind, I suggest the name PROJECT-INFO, into DOAP files. Attached there also is some initial script for converting this file

Re: Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file

2008-01-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 03:49:27PM -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 21:43 +0100, Wouter Bolsterlee wrote: 2008-01-21 klockan 21:08 skrev Behdad Esfahbod: Which brings us to the logical conclusion that either the big-letter files should be created from DOAP file

Re: Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file

2008-01-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 11:09:02AM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: I am sorry -- I cannot take responses such as this seriously. (Meaning: read my initial email + if DOAP defines 1001 field I don't want 1001 fields in every file) -- Regards, Olav

Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file

2008-01-18 Thread Olav Vitters
Hello, Summary: I'd like replace the MAINTAINERS requirement by doap files. Comments welcome. Currently project information is spread thoughout various systems. The maintainers are available in MAINTAINERS files, developers in AUTHORS, the description is possibly in either Bugzilla or some

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