(Apologies if this is a resend.)

Lets consider a concrete example.

Before Gnome Shell was initially released, I (like many others) didn't like
the lack of a power off option in the system menu (or anywhere on the
desktop). I've been an on and off lurker on IRC for a while. I brought up
the concern a few times perhaps. At one point, I got into a small debate
with owen about the design/user experience trade-offs of the issue. He made
multiple specific arguments *against* having it in the menu and for having
suspend (which I found completely unconvincing). I made multiple arguments
*for* including it in the menu. It ended with him saying he'd wasted enough
time debating the issue.

Three release cycles later, all of a sudden, there's a power off option in
the menu right where suspend used to be (with the inverse behavior now!
Alt-click -> suspends). I'm glad for it; don't get me wrong. But, what I'd
like to know is, what arguments were made to finally convince owen and
whoever else pushed through the change? Were the arguments he mead before
somehow obsolete? I'd be fascinated to know, since I did my best to make a
persuasive case before and was ultimately shot down. (Seriously, if anyone
knows of a record of this, I'd like to see it)

Is it possible a tool like loomio could help? I don't know much about it in
particular, but I think it's clear that the Gnome development process could
greatly benefit from more of what it appears to facilitate.

Jesse


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Andre Klapper <ak...@gmx.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 17:24 +0100, Marco Scannadinari wrote:
> > No, I don't think that GNOME will suddenly become the perfect DE, but
> > certain decisions, such as the location of the close button on
> > fullscreen apps, could be improved a lot and polls could be used as
> > evidence for user testing or feedback, rather than saying "We thought it
> > was the right thing to do." (for example)
>
> Please not. Polls are popularity contests and cannot replace user
> testing. http://nat.org/blog/2006/02/dan-winship-on-design-by-committee/
> comes to my mind (unfortunately the paintings are not online anymore).
>
> andre
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