New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
Hi all, So we recently polled the tracker mailing list to make sure the core developers and others interested had an opinion on GNOME module inclusion for Tracker. You can see the thread here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/tracker-list/2009-August/msg7.html The response was positive.

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 13:05, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi all, ... Dependencies about to be dropped but still needed: gmime lex yacc libraptor I forgot to add, librasqal will also be dropped soon (mentioned below). The git repository is here: http://git.gnome.org/cgit/tracker/ We import the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: The response was positive. So I would like to propose Tracker as a new GNOME module. though I've seen the amount of work that has been done on it, I admit I'm still ambivalent on Tracker, and the fact that nobody has come clear with the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Luis Medinas
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: libxml = 0.6 libpng = 1.2 libuuid zlib dbus = 0.60 sqlite3 = 3.5 (built with --enable-load-extension) hal = 0.5 vala = 0.7.3 pango = 1.0.0 Is there plans to replace HAL by GIO or devicekit ? Hal will

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Luis Medinaslmedi...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:    hal = 0.5 Is there plans to replace HAL by GIO or devicekit ? Hal will be deprecated soon afaik. ...or rather by libgudev, there is no such thing as DeviceKit :)

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Patryk Zawadzkipat...@pld-linux.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Luis Medinaslmedi...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:    hal = 0.5 Is there plans to replace HAL by GIO or devicekit ? Hal will be deprecated

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jürg Billeter
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:57 +0100, Luis Medinas wrote: Is there plans to replace HAL by GIO or devicekit ? Hal will be deprecated soon afaik. Richard Hughes has already ported the battery handling of Tracker to DeviceKit-power. It's used if available, otherwise HAL is used. The volume handling

Re: Application names

2009-08-18 Thread Frederic Peters
William Jon McCann wrote: So, in preparation for GNOME Shell and 3.0 a number of us have been trying to address various inconsistencies in how we name applications. [...] What do you think? (please read the blog post before answering) After further discussion on the XDG mailing list and

Re: Application names

2009-08-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Frederic Petersfpet...@gnome.org wrote: Is everybody ok to proceed ? Sounds good to me. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 13:42, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: The response was positive. So I would like to propose Tracker as a new GNOME module. though I've seen the amount of work that has been done on it, I admit I'm still ambivalent on Tracker, and

Re: Application names

2009-08-18 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Frederic Petersfpet...@gnome.org wrote:  - If Name is just the application name, leave it alone  - If there is no GenericName, leave it alone  - If Name == GenericName: remove GenericName  - If Name embeds both the application name and the generic name   -

Re: Application names

2009-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:06 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: William Jon McCann wrote: So, in preparation for GNOME Shell and 3.0 a number of us have been trying to address various inconsistencies in how we name applications. [...] What do you think? (please read the blog post before

Re: Application names

2009-08-18 Thread Frederic Peters
Bastien Nocera wrote: Impact for translations: at most a new string for each modules, with the application brand name (that could be left alone, for languages that do not do transliteration). Will we get automagic translator comments so that Rhythmbox doesn't get translated to Boîte à

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 13:05, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: Hi all, So we recently polled the tracker mailing list to make sure the core developers and others interested had an opinion on GNOME module inclusion for Tracker. You can see the thread here:

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is that indexer is not suitable for inclusion then the separate tracker-store should be considered for inclusion separately the store does not do any

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 16:18, Jamie McCracken wrote: The indexer part is optional Well, right now it isn't but it will be at some point sure. The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is that indexer is not suitable for inclusion then

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is that indexer is not suitable for inclusion then the separate

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 11:18, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is that indexer is not suitable for inclusion then the separate

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:18 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 16:18, Jamie McCracken wrote: The indexer part is optional Well, right now it isn't but it will be at some point sure. The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 17:20, Patryk Zawadzki (pat...@pld-linux.org) wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Xan Lopez
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 11:18, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: Uh, generally bugs should be fixed, not worked around. Especially if they are as crucial as this one. Sure but getting a recursive inotify will likely take years as with most kernel features (= development time +

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:20 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:20 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 17:26, Patryk Zawadzki (pat...@pld-linux.org) wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: Uh, generally bugs should be fixed, not worked around. Especially if they are as crucial as this one. Sure but getting a recursive

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:24 +0300, Xan Lopez wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 11:18, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Xan Lopez
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Maciej Piechotkauzytkown...@gmail.com wrote: It can be used directly by applications that feed it data through an API. Zeitgeist is an example, another could be bookmarks/history storage in Epiphany. Xan Hmm. Is it one-in-all database? Then: - How you keep

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 18:24, Xan Lopez (x...@gnome.org) wrote: The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is that indexer is not suitable for inclusion then the separate tracker-store should be considered for inclusion

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 16:07, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 13:05, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: Hmm. The beef I have with Tracker (and Beagle fwiw) is that they build something on infrastructure that currently is not good enough to sustain it: inotify. inotify is simply not

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 16:25, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:18 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: That doesn't make any sense to me either. On its own it is useless then, at least with the file system crawler it can populate the database and be usable. Its not useless if apps like zeitgeist

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Xan Lopez wrote: It can be used directly by applications that feed it data through an API. Zeitgeist is an example, another could be bookmarks/history storage in Epiphany. Do you mean storing actual bookmarks into the database ? I would be quite reluctant in mixing actual data with

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/8/18 Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com: On 18/08/09 16:18, Jamie McCracken wrote: The indexer part is optional Well, right now it isn't but it will be at some point sure. The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:44 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 16:07, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 13:05, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: Hmm. The beef I have with Tracker (and Beagle fwiw) is that they build something on infrastructure that currently is not

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 16:57, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:44 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 16:07, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 13:05, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: Hmm. The beef I have with Tracker (and Beagle fwiw) is that they build something on

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/8/18 Xan Lopez x...@gnome.org: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Maciej Piechotkauzytkown...@gmail.com wrote: I have no idea if Tracker uses just one huge file for everything or if it can use one file per application/domain/whatever (and in any case that's an implementation detail not

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:50 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: Xan Lopez wrote: It can be used directly by applications that feed it data through an API. Zeitgeist is an example, another could be bookmarks/history storage in Epiphany. Do you mean storing actual bookmarks into the database ?

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:57 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 16:57, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:44 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 16:07, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 13:05, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: Hmm. The beef I have

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 17:03, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:57 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: We already do that. But some projects have a LOT of directories ;) do we? It still indexes all source files for me. Just to be clear I mean skipping a directory called Gnome if it contains a

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Rob Taylor
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 13:05, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: Hi all, So we recently polled the tracker mailing list to make sure the core developers and others interested had an opinion on GNOME module inclusion for Tracker. You can see the thread here:

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:02 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 17:03, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:57 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: We already do that. But some projects have a LOT of directories ;) do we? It still indexes all source files for me. Just to be clear

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 17:40 +0200 schrieb Lennart Poettering: I might not be fully up to date on all these things, but has Zeitgeist even been submitted as a module yet? Not yet. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://www.iomc.de/ | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 05:02:56PM +0100, Rob Taylor wrote: So we discussed this at the kernel-fixing-bof at GCDS. IIRC we basically decided that being able to have a recursive inotify with a new flag was the best option. Matthew Garrett was planning on taking the issues that we discussed to

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:55 +0300, Xan Lopez wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: snip If tracker-store is not useful on its own and currently not used by anything else in GNOME, does it really make sense to push it into GNOME? Also,

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: we could use the Gtk Recent files stuff for this and that would work for ordinary users but not devs fetching source code or other command line stuff Unless it's really REALLY compelling and fast, I don't want

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 17:06, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:02 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 17:03, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:57 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: We already do that. But some projects have a LOT of directories ;) do we? It still indexes

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 17:11, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: we could use the Gtk Recent files stuff for this and that would work for ordinary users but not devs fetching source code or other command line stuff Unless it's

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 17:07, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:55 +0300, Xan Lopez wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: snip If tracker-store is not useful on its own and currently not used by anything else in GNOME, does it really make

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi all, So we recently polled the tracker mailing list to make sure the core developers and others interested had an opinion on GNOME module inclusion for Tracker. You can see the thread here:

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:11 +, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: we could use the Gtk Recent files stuff for this and that would work for ordinary users but not devs fetching source code or other command line

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:16 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi all, So we recently polled the tracker mailing list to make sure the core developers and others interested had an opinion on GNOME module inclusion for Tracker. You

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 16:44, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: As I see it the usefulness of Tracker stands or falls with the scalablity of inotify. As long as inotify does not natively support recursive watches tracker is not viable. Well file monitoring really is just one part of

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:24 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:16 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi all, So we recently polled the tracker mailing list to make sure the core developers and others interested

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 11:57 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:44 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 16:07, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 13:05, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: Hmm. The beef I have with Tracker (and Beagle fwiw) is that

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 18:16, Maciej Piechotka (uzytkown...@gmail.com) wrote: Licensing wise, those libinotify and rasqal both share the LGPL, as does libtracker. The rest is GPLv2 or later. /discuss ;) Well. Currently there are two projects which, at least for the first sight, are

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 17:28, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 16:44, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: As I see it the usefulness of Tracker stands or falls with the scalablity of inotify. As long as inotify does not natively support recursive watches tracker is not viable. Well file

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 18:55, Xan Lopez (x...@gnome.org) wrote: If tracker-store is not useful on its own and currently not used by anything else in GNOME, does it really make sense to push it into GNOME? Also, even if the store has uses besides the indexer, just be honest: does it *really*

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 17:44, Lennart Poettering wrote: I don't think it would be a good idea to use GNOME solely as a vehicle to make things more popular with other developers... Actually, we want to be in GNOME not only for availability but also to have a release schedule to run with. Right now we are

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 18:24 +0200 schrieb Rodrigo Moya: I might be wrong and things might have changed, but isn't beagle unmaintained? According to http://git.gnome.org/cgit/beagle/log/ it is not unmaintained but most probably has less developers/parties working on it than on tracker:

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Xan Lopez
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 18:55, Xan Lopez (x...@gnome.org) wrote: If tracker-store is not useful on its own and currently not used by anything else in GNOME, does it really make sense to push it into GNOME? Also,

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 16:11, Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: we could use the Gtk Recent files stuff for this and that would work for ordinary users but not devs fetching source code or other

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:41 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 18:16, Maciej Piechotka (uzytkown...@gmail.com) wrote: Licensing wise, those libinotify and rasqal both share the LGPL, as does libtracker. The rest is GPLv2 or later. /discuss ;) Well.

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 17:47 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit : On 18/08/09 17:44, Lennart Poettering wrote: I don't think it would be a good idea to use GNOME solely as a vehicle to make things more popular with other developers... Actually, we want to be in GNOME not only

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 16:53, Alberto Ruiz wrote: 2009/8/18 Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com: On 18/08/09 16:18, Jamie McCracken wrote: The indexer part is optional Well, right now it isn't but it will be at some point sure. The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 17:44, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: And that exists? What providers are there besides the indexer? Yes, there are some in progress right now. So there's nothing usable yet? We also are using breadth based monitoring so top level folders always get priority

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 17:48, Dan Winship wrote: On 08/18/2009 12:32 PM, Martyn Russell wrote: The only reason you're suggesting tracker-store shouldn't be called tracker is due to the social stigma associated with what Tracker is, i.e. all about the file system. The stigma associated with Tracker is

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Ivan Frade
Hi, On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jürg Billeterj...@bitron.ch wrote: the battery handling of Tracker I probably have missed some part of tracker's mission... Why is tracker handling batteries ? For instance to

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Germán Póo-Caamaño
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:35 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 16:11, Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: we could use the Gtk Recent files stuff for this and that would work

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:21 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 11:18, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:14 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 17:11, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: we could use the Gtk Recent files stuff for this and that would work for ordinary users but not devs

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 18:04, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 17:44, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: And that exists? What providers are there besides the indexer? Yes, there are some in progress right now. So there's nothing usable yet? No :) Right but source is less

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:15 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 17:07, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:55 +0300, Xan Lopez wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: snip If tracker-store is not useful on its own and

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 17:48, Dan Winship wrote: On 08/18/2009 12:32 PM, Martyn Russell wrote: The only reason you're suggesting tracker-store shouldn't be called tracker is due to the social stigma associated with what Tracker is, i.e. all

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:36 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: [CUT] Hmm. Is it one-in-all database? Then: - How you keep it out of corruption. Hardware and software errors happens and sometimes one lost files. If it is one file - ok I can live with it. If it is one-in-all file - ops (and please

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 18:50, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 17:48, Dan Winship wrote: On 08/18/2009 12:32 PM, Martyn Russell wrote: The only reason you're suggesting tracker-store shouldn't be called tracker is due to the social stigma

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 18:05 +0100 schrieb Martyn Russell: On 18/08/09 17:48, Dan Winship wrote: The stigma associated with Tracker is because historically the tracker hackers have been unable to describe what the non-filesystem-indexing part of Tracker does without [...] claiming

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Ivan Frade
Hi, On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Lennart Poettering mzta...@0pointer.dewrote: I guess a problem here is that nobody except the Tracker people themselves even know what an ontology or Nepomuk actually is. You can consider an ontology as high level language to describe data, a language to

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:50 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: Xan Lopez wrote: It can be used directly by applications that feed it data through an API. Zeitgeist is an example, another could be bookmarks/history storage in Epiphany. Do you mean storing actual bookmarks into the database ?

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Jamie, On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 11:32 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: Couldn't you just make gio (or gedit or OpenOffice) notify you every time it closes a file instead of monitoring bazillions of files? I'm not very likely to search for files I've never opened anyway. we could use the Gtk

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 19:57 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 18:05 +0100 schrieb Martyn Russell: On 18/08/09 17:48, Dan Winship wrote: The stigma associated with Tracker is because historically the tracker hackers have been unable to describe what the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 19:40 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:14 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 17:11, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: we could use the Gtk Recent files stuff for

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 20:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : We'll do our best and are committed to formulate our answers in a non-vague way and improve the communication of the project's members, about the project, towards the community. Maybe just clearly state what tracker (or

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 19:21 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Jamie, On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 11:32 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: Couldn't you just make gio (or gedit or OpenOffice) notify you every time it closes a file instead of monitoring bazillions of files? I'm not very likely to

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 19:21 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: [CUT] Unfortunately, as soon as we have this, it is only a small feature-creep step to lets index all .c/.h files to extract comments in the API documentation - which (I suspect) then commits you to the disaster of irritating a

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:44 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 17:28, Lennart Poettering wrote: snip Or in short: just f*ing fix the kernel first. Are you volunteering? :) I am not hacking on Tracker, am I? And Tracker is not the kernel either, it is also not the only

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 20:26 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 20:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : We'll do our best and are committed to formulate our answers in a non-vague way and improve the communication of the project's members, about the project, towards the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 19:17, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:44 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 17:28, Lennart Poettering wrote: snip Or in short: just f*ing fix the kernel first. Are you volunteering? :) I am not hacking on Tracker, am I? And Tracker is not the kernel

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 20:26 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 20:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : We'll do our best and are committed to formulate our answers in a non-vague way and improve the communication of the project's members, about the project, towards the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 14:48, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 20:26 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 20:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : We'll do our best and are committed to formulate our answers in a non-vague way and improve

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 18:43, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: So you are telling me file system notification does not matter much for Tracker's usefulness? That's news to me indeed. But of course leads to the question: what is it then what it offers that desn't need file system

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 14:48, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 20:26 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 20:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : We'll do our best and are

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 19:52 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: I didn't say that and that is not the case either. I did talk to various people about improving the problems we have at GCDS this year. I also am not against fixing it or helping towards fixing it. I just resent people saying that we

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 21:09, Patryk Zawadzki (pat...@pld-linux.org) wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: (I don't want to create the impression that I am opposed to the idea of a desktop search engine. I actually do believe it makes sense, but

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 21:06 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 18:43, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: So you are telling me file system notification does not matter much for Tracker's usefulness? That's news to me indeed. But of course leads to the question: what

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 15:12, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: tracker would provide a centralised storage of metadata which means multiple apps can share metadata safely, get notifications when it changes and know at design time what metadata is potentially available

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 15:15, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: I should also add, inotify is not the ONLY technology which we have been discussing, setrlimit() is another and I could probably list a few others which we have been talking about with kernel developers. I

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Philip Van Hoof wrote: SPARQL: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/ Are people actually intended to use that to get informations from the tracker gui ? Speaking of which, is there a gui or something ? ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 15:12 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 14:48, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 20:26 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 20:19

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Xan Lopez
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Maciej Piechotkauzytkown...@gmail.com wrote: Epiphany does not share its metadata with anyone else nor can you cross query it I believe that gnome do and/or deskbar do it quite well w/out tracker. No, they have to go and manually parse the private file

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 21:43 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: Philip Van Hoof wrote: SPARQL: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/ Are people actually intended to use that to get informations from the tracker gui ? No, did somebody tell you that? If you are an application developer then

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 21:43 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 15:12 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Epiphany does not share its metadata with anyone else nor can you cross query it I believe that gnome do

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