Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Martyn Russell
On 05/10/11 21:17, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, Hi, so according to the draft schedule that Andre posted a while ago, we are in the middle of the 'feature proposal' period right now. I haven't seen much feature discussion here at all yet, and so far, the wiki only lists things that I have put

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Joaquim Rocha
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 08:37 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: [...] I love the shell generally though, this is really just where I think we could improve things. Hi, I second Martyn's proposals and I'd like to name a few things that at least in my case, could be improved. The worst part of

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Martyn Russell
On 06/10/11 09:34, Joaquim Rocha wrote: On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 08:37 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: [...] I love the shell generally though, this is really just where I think we could improve things. Hi, Hi, I second Martyn's proposals and I'd like to name a few things that at least in my

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Nick Glynn
Hi, On 6 October 2011 09:48, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 06/10/11 09:34, Joaquim Rocha wrote: On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 08:37 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: [...] I love the shell generally though, this is really just where I think we could improve things. Hi, Hi, I

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Martyn Russell
On 06/10/11 08:37, Martyn Russell wrote: On 05/10/11 21:17, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, Hi, so according to the draft schedule that Andre posted a while ago, we are in the middle of the 'feature proposal' period right now. I haven't seen much feature discussion here at all yet, and so far,

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 10:27:51AM +0100, Nick Glynn wrote: Maybe something like the Ubuntu/Dell brain/ideastorm would be a nice addition to the Gnome website for these sorts of proposals? The idea behind feature proposal time is that each proposal has a clear owner. It is *not* request what

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 04:17:00PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: Where are your ideas ? It would be great to get them onto that wiki page, in particular since next weekend a bunch of us will get together in Montreal to, among other things, spend time to talk about 3.4 features. One important

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals
Hi, 2011/10/6 Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com: Or, similarly to how mac did it? does it? using a jumping icon or changing the colour or some notification which is subtle. With an icon appearing in the top (like the battery icon) which allows you to use your contacts (favourite or recently

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals siegfr...@gevatter.com wrote: 2011/10/6 Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com: Or, similarly to how mac did it? does it? using a jumping icon or changing the colour or some notification which is subtle. With an icon appearing in the

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Martyn Russell
On 06/10/11 11:05, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals siegfr...@gevatter.com wrote: 2011/10/6 Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com: Or, similarly to how mac did it? does it? using a jumping icon or changing the colour or some notification which

Re: Splitting gnome-utils for 3.4

2011-10-06 Thread Stef Walter
On 2011-09-30 00:04, Cosimo Cecchi wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 23:33 +0200, Kenneth Nielsen wrote: Speaking of size of po-files. As we have already established, bringing translation over should be relatively easy, since by copying them over and updateing, the relevant translations will be

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Stef Walter
On 2011-10-06 11:51, Olav Vitters wrote: So when discussing, please note that we expect someone to work on it or somehow ensure it gets done. I know everyone has loads of ideas, please say what you'll (want to) work on for 3.4 / 3.6 :) Then the discussion can be a bit more concrete (whose

Splitting gcr/gck libraries out of gnome-keyring

2011-10-06 Thread Stef Walter
The Gcr library has crypto widgets, parser and a viewer. Gck is a PKCS#11 GObject wrapper. These libraries used to be in the gnome-keyring module, but (as I alluded to during the last development cycle) I've split them out into their own module called: gcr http://git.gnome.org/browse/gcr/

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Piñeiro
On 10/06/2011 09:37 AM, Martyn Russell wrote: I certainly have some ideas to improve things for my user experience. Most of them are general so perhaps we should have a general page from the link you gave previously. In any case, here are my thoughts: - Don't show the accessibility menu

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2011/10/6 Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com - Don't show the accessibility menu unless needed. I never use this menu and I don't doubt some people do, but it seems quite redundant for me and likely a lot of people. What means unless needed in this context? How would be the algorithm to decide

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2011/10/6 Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com - The Switch User and Log Out ... menu options seem quite pointless if I am the only user on my machine. - The Suspend menu option makes no sense here when I want to shut the thing down (on laptops), I guess this has been discussed to death so I

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Alan Cox
Someone said, well, if it is my house, I should be able to chose, the reason that rationale doesn't work is because the GNOME Shell experience should be designed to be inclusive, so this is really closer to an office building or an apartment building instead of a private house. The flaw in

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Seif Lotfy
The Jump-list stuff has been on my list for a while: What we are facing here is: Adding actions to the appmenus: new tab (browser), new note (for tomboy or gnote) or pause (for the media players) Adding document shortcuts in the appmenus: 4 most recent documents and other most used (in

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals
2011/10/6 Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org: The flaw in your logic starts beyond the front door. Clearly the login process should be accessible, and the install and setup so that a user can always get their system set up. You're assuming the install and the setup is done by a) the same person

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Alan Cox
You're assuming the install and the setup is done by a) the same person that is going to use the computer, which is not the case most of the time and b) that the person that uses the computer is always the same one. No. Not true, some seats have unique users (think of a university lab, or a

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Joaquim Rocha jro...@igalia.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 08:37 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: [...] I love the shell generally though, this is really just where I think we could improve things. Hi, I second Martyn's proposals and I'd like to name a few

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Joaquim Rocha
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 08:58 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: [...] The worst part of the shell for me is the bottom tray area (sorry if this is not the official name for it). The message tray. Thanks. [...] I think that a good way to fix this is to remove the expanding thing and

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Joaquim Rocha
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 13:28 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: You're assuming the install and the setup is done by a) the same person that is going to use the computer, which is not the case most of the time and b) that the person that uses the computer is always the same one. No. Not true, some

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Joaquim Rocha jro...@igalia.com wrote: It should be easy to do because the purpose of the desktop is to make things easy. I agree you don't want it off automatically because you need to be sure that a user can find the accessibility features if they do need

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote: On jue, 2011-10-06 at 10:31 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: - Integration with thunderbird in the calendar (there is a red hat bug about this somewhere I saw recently) - Why show the wacom graphics tablet configuration

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Andre Klapper
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 10:31 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: - Integration with thunderbird in the calendar (there is a red hat bug about this somewhere I saw recently) Also see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660720 - Why show the wacom graphics tablet configuration page in the

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On jue, 2011-10-06 at 10:49 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote: On jue, 2011-10-06 at 10:31 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: - Integration with thunderbird in the calendar (there is a red hat bug about this somewhere I saw

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote: yes, that makes sense indeed. But apart from that, it should really support all kind of tablets, not only Wacom ones :) Of course. That's sort of orthogonal though. As far as I know, the realistic problem is that we

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 16:54 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On jue, 2011-10-06 at 10:49 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote: On jue, 2011-10-06 at 10:31 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: - Integration with thunderbird in the

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Javier Jardón
On 6 October 2011 15:55, Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote: yes, that makes sense indeed. But apart from that, it should really support all kind of tablets, not only Wacom ones :) Of course. That's sort of

a11y menu access (was Re: Features !)

2011-10-06 Thread Piñeiro
Changing subject. As Matthias said, this is somewhat off-topic, as the original thread was about start to propose features. On 10/06/2011 01:50 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Someone said, well, if it is my house, I should be able to chose, the reason that rationale doesn't work is because the GNOME Shell

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Michael Knepher
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Joaquim Rocha jro...@igalia.com wrote: Why not have a switch in the Universal Access settings that shows/hides the icon/menu? That's a trick question, right ? I would love to

GNOME Online Accounts extensibility

2011-10-06 Thread Ken VanDine
Are there plans for making service providers in GOA pluggable? Here is my use case: I really want to get rid of gwibber-accounts for configuring accounts in Gwibber. It makes sense to use GOA for this, however gwibber supports quite a few social networks as well as supporting third party

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Joaquim Rocha
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 09:08 -0700, Michael Knepher wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Joaquim Rocha jro...@igalia.com wrote: Why not have a switch in the Universal Access

Re: GNOME Online Accounts extensibility

2011-10-06 Thread David Zeuthen
Hi, On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Ken VanDine kvand...@gnome.org wrote: I really want to get rid of gwibber-accounts for configuring accounts in Gwibber.  It makes sense to use GOA for this, I don't think it necessarily does, no. See below. however gwibber supports quite a few social

Re: GNOME Online Accounts extensibility

2011-10-06 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 10/06/2011 07:40 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: II. To avoid user confusion we only want the major online services in GOA. Support for more specialized protocols/services should happen in each separate app - that's why, for example, that Empathy still has a preferences menu so you

Re: GNOME Online Accounts extensibility

2011-10-06 Thread David Zeuthen
Hi, On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Steve Frécinaux nudr...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/06/2011 07:40 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: II. To avoid user confusion we only want the major online services in GOA.     Support for more specialized protocols/services should happen in each     separate app -

Re: GNOME Online Accounts extensibility

2011-10-06 Thread Ken VanDine
Sorry, not trying to sound harsh here but I couldn't find a better way to say this. Basically you are saying that GOA isn't really an open technology to help consolidate user's online accounts, it is only to help consolidate accounts for blessed GNOME apps? This doesn't really help users in

Re: Splitting gnome-utils for 3.4

2011-10-06 Thread Cosimo Cecchi
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 12:59 +0200, Stef Walter wrote: You probably already figured this out, but here's the commands that seemed to work for me: $ cd po/ $ for po in *.po; do intltool-update ${po%.po}; done $ sed -i.bak '/#~/d' *.po $ for po in *.po; do intltool-update ${po%.po}; done Hi

Re: GNOME Online Accounts extensibility

2011-10-06 Thread David Zeuthen
Hi, On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Ken VanDine kvand...@gnome.org wrote: Sorry, not trying to sound harsh here but I couldn't find a better way to say this. Basically you are saying that GOA isn't really an open technology to help consolidate user's online accounts, it is only to help

Re: Attention anyone uploading binaries to ftp.gnome.org/pub/binaries - understand the GPL

2011-10-06 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 14:07 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 00:10 -0400, Frederic Peters wrote: You could add /ftp/pub/GNOME/misc/ as a base directory; we do not have the 3.2 live image on there, but while the Promo DVD has a README file with a Getting the Source Code

Re: GNOME Online Accounts extensibility

2011-10-06 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:40 PM, David Zeuthen zeut...@gmail.com wrote: I.  Adding support for a provider P, currently means making code-changes to    all of the GNOME apps using its services.. because most of the time standard    standardized protocols are not in use. For the few cases where

Re: GNOME Online Accounts extensibility

2011-10-06 Thread David Zeuthen
Hi, On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Patryk Zawadzki pat...@pld-linux.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:40 PM, David Zeuthen zeut...@gmail.com wrote: I.  Adding support for a provider P, currently means making code-changes to    all of the GNOME apps using its services.. because most of the

gnome-utils module split completed

2011-10-06 Thread Cosimo Cecchi
Hi, as discussed in [1], I went ahead and completed the module split. - the six modules have been split in separate git repos, with their version bumped to 3.3.0 - new bugzilla products have been created for each of the modules, and module maintainers have been set as administrators for the