Ladies and Gentlemen,
If we can all take a quick break from discussing Git branch naming, I came
across this users' review of GNOME 3.32 after using it for the first time,
and I thought he had a pretty well thought out set of criticisms.
> On 25 Apr 2019, at 02:46, Michael Gratton wrote:
>
> I deliberately chose "mainline" for Geary's mainline branch name because it
> has the same auto-complete prefix as "master", for example. Want to check out
> the mainline branch? Just type "git co m", just like you always have.
>
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 02:02:43PM +0200, jtojnar--- via desktop-devel-list
wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr, 2019 at 11:21 AM, Daniel Playfair Cal via desktop-devel-list
> wrote:
> > "master/slave" -> "leader/follower"
>
> Please note that leader/follower terms are commonly associated with
>
On Wed, May 1, 2019, 15:24 Michael Gratton wrote:
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 14:32, Ernestas Kulik
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2019-05-01 at 21:38 +1000, Michael Gratton wrote:
> >>
> >> After deliberately setting out to make the project more inclusive,
> >> Python has reversed a five-year-long trend
On Wed, 2019-05-01 at 23:31 +1000, Michael Gratton wrote:
> It is telling that no one is complaining about replacing uses of
> "slave" by itself alone.
What a completely bizarre thing to say.
The word "slave" doesn't have a whole slew of homonyms with different
meanings. Only one verb.
So
Je ĵaŭ, 2019-05-02 je 01:10 +1000, Daniel Playfair Cal skribis:
> As English speakers, we choose how our language evolves. It is a choice to
> keep using a word just as it is a choice to swap it for a new one. It is not
> censorship to make a choice one way or the other. Nobody in this thread
Just a few comments I think are worth making:
- The word "master" as in master branch is an synonym/analogy/reference,
not a coincidence. Language develops together with history, and the
meanings of words constantly evolve. If a word has multiple meanings, it is
usually because the
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 6:08 AM, Michael Gratton wrote:
This has already been covered in the original proposal under
objection (1) "It doesn't matter". As has already been discussed,
what actually doesn't matter is what you or I think, it is the people
who have been affected by the language we
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 12:22 AM, Tristan Van Berkom
wrote:
We should also not show favoritism of one set of cultural values over
another, I feel that censorship to this degree is a very western
concept which we should not lend any credit to. Ask has already
pointed
out that the possible
Je mer, 2019-05-01 je 23:31 +1000, Michael Gratton skribis:
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 15:19, Carmen Bianca Bakker
>
> > > I did however point out that Python has replaced uses of the term
> > > "master", and we should do the same.
> >
> > We should. But not all instances of "master" are equally
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 15:19, Carmen Bianca Bakker
I did however point out that Python has replaced uses of the term
"master", and we should do the same.
We should. But not all instances of "master" are equally
problematic—that's the main debate here. I don't see anybody here
disagreeing
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 14:32, Ernestas Kulik
wrote:
On Wed, 2019-05-01 at 21:38 +1000, Michael Gratton wrote:
After deliberately setting out to make the project more inclusive,
Python has reversed a five-year-long trend of declining number of
core
devs and it has been increasing ever
Je mer, 2019-05-01 je 22:38 +1000, Michael Gratton skribis:
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 14:30, Carmen Bianca Bakker
> wrote:
> > I think the problem is that, when prompted why we should make this
> > change, you said that we need only look at Python to see why this
> > change is good. But Python
On Wed, 2019-05-01 at 15:03 +0300, Alberts Muktupāvels via desktop-
devel-list wrote:
>
> Numbers please? For example how many contributors GNOME has lost last
> year?
> Do you speak about one or two people? Hundreds people? More?
To be fair, I think that even losing one or two could have a
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 14:30, Carmen Bianca Bakker
wrote:
I think the problem is that, when prompted why we should make this
change, you said that we need only look at Python to see why this
change is good. But Python did NOT change the name of their master
branch, so it's a disingenuous
Hi Günther,
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 14:16, Günther Wagner wrote:
i read this list with interest because its a controversial topic. What
i want to know: lets take the approach and rename all master-branches
to something different. Anyone thought about that this will lead to
more usage of master
On Wed, 2019-05-01 at 21:38 +1000, Michael Gratton wrote:
>
> After deliberately setting out to make the project more inclusive,
> Python has reversed a five-year-long trend of declining number of
> core
> devs and it has been increasing ever since. They have for example,
> in
> the last three
Hi Michael,
Je mer, 2019-05-01 je 21:52 +1000, Michael Gratton skribis:
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 12:48, Richard Hughes
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 12:38, Michael Gratton wrote:
> > > They have also been successful in getting other projects to use more
> > > inclusive language. For
Hi Michael,
i read this list with interest because its a controversial topic. What
i want to know: lets take the approach and rename all master-branches
to something different. Anyone thought about that this will lead to
more usage of master than it is used now? People will come up in
IRC and
On Wed, 2019-05-01 at 15:03 +0300, Alberts Muktupāvels wrote:
>
> Numbers please? For example how many contributors GNOME has lost last
> year? Do you speak about one or two people? Hundreds people? More?
General numbers for authors and commits can be found at the beginning
of every Release Notes
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:09 PM Michael Gratton wrote:
> Hi Tristan,
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 14:22, Tristan Van Berkom via desktop-devel-list
> wrote:
> > Instead, by opening the door to censorship of words which are not
> > themselves inherently vulgar or foul (i.e. 'master' is not
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 21:52, Michael Gratton wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 12:48, Richard Hughes
wrote:
On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 12:38, Michael Gratton wrote:
They have also been successful in getting other projects to use
more
inclusive language. For example, MongoDB initially refused to
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 13:46, Ask Hjorth Larsen
wrote:
Also what does Python have to do with this? What specific gains came
from renaming their branch? https://github.com/python/cpython . It
looks to me like they did not rename the branch. This sort of stuff
has been pointed out to you in
On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 12:38, Michael Gratton wrote:
> They have also been successful in getting other projects to use more
> inclusive language. For example, MongoDB initially refused to stop
> using the term "master", but then relented after Python did so.
That's misrepresenting it *AGAIN*.
Am Mi., 1. Mai 2019 um 13:09 Uhr schrieb Michael Gratton :
>
> In the end, as the experience Python has had clearly shows, we will
> gain much, much more by being inclusive than we lose by entertaining a
> small minority who would rather we aren't.
You imply that some of us desire GNOME
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 13:16, Ernestas Kulik
wrote:
On Wed, 2019-05-01 at 21:08 +1000, Michael Gratton wrote:
In the end, as the experience Python has had clearly shows, we will
gain much, much more by being inclusive than we lose by entertaining
a small minority who would rather we aren't.
On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 06:23, Tristan Van Berkom via desktop-devel-list
wrote:
> Proposing that we replace references to master/slave relationships with
> other terminology and proposing that we eliminate the usage of both
> words entirely are two entirely different proposals, this is a proposal
>
On Wed, 2019-05-01 at 21:08 +1000, Michael Gratton wrote:
> In the end, as the experience Python has had clearly shows, we will
> gain much, much more by being inclusive than we lose by entertaining
> a
> small minority who would rather we aren't.
Excuse me if I missed this, but can you
Hi Tristan,
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 14:22, Tristan Van Berkom via desktop-devel-list
wrote:
Instead, by opening the door to censorship of words which are not
themselves inherently vulgar or foul (i.e. 'master' is not considered
a
'swear word'), we are creating an atmosphere where people
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