Re: [Usability] [RFC] Announcing: Control-Center-GUI 0.1

2005-02-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 17:54 +0100, Christian Neumair wrote: Am Dienstag, den 08.02.2005, 03:42 +1100 schrieb Jeff Waugh: quote who=Christian Neumair It is a little app which is meant to eventually replace the preferences menu.

Re: GUADEC Hacking

2005-04-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 18:21 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: The culprit is pretty obviously GConf which is why I'm glad DConf is considering having a DB backend to address this. The short term fixes which Havoc has already suggested (moving the schema crap sideways and possibly mmap'ing some

Re: We need working docs

2005-05-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 14:57 +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote: Hi. It seems that a lot of the help buttons in various apps/applets/panel aren't hooked up correctly. This would (hopefully) be a nice and easy task to complete before 2.10.2 goes out. My testing shows that the following help buttons

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 01:17 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Mark McLoughlin I think these kind of questions are only relevant in the context of deciding on the *gtk* schedule. I don't think they're very relevant in the context of deciding whether GNOME 2.12 should use GTK+ 2.8. If

the about-me capplet

2005-07-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
Today some folks here at Red Hat discussed the new about-me capplet, and we decided to disable it for now and stick with our homegrown usermode capplets for now. Maybe the main points of our discussion are of interest and can help to improve the about-me capplet. Matthias Pro: - reduces menu

Re: the about-me capplet

2005-07-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 03:56 +0200, Diego Gonzalez wrote: I can change the capplet to also update the related GECOS fields. Doing this from the capplet doesn't solve the problem that /etc/passwd and e-d-s diverge, since you can e.g. also change the full name from the evolution contact editor.

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 13:03 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 7/18/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/18/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. It was suggested that I should 'make distcheck' in tinderbox. Opinions? Luis is cool for doing all this tinderbox

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 19:24 +0200, Ikke wrote: I think the advantages of adding make distcheck are bigger than the disadvantages. In the end, being able to do make a tinderbox with make distcheck and CFLAGS+=-Wall -Werror -pedantic -ansi would be so cool ;-) -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Werror is

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-20 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 18:10 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: What is being suggested is that we should make Gnome 2.12 on Gtk 2.8 which in turn depends on Cairo 0.5-1 (as of today). GTK+ depends on 0.5.2, in fact. Cairo is: * Not API frozen. * We do not have a schedule for

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 13:01 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Hello, * We do not have a commitment not to break the API after the GNOME 2.12 release in six weeks. I do commit to that. We'll have cairo 0.6 out within days not weeks. And the API/ABI stable 1.0 out within

Re: evince string freeze breackage

2005-08-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 19:40 +0200, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote: El mié, 17-08-2005 a las 19:23 +0200, Danilo Šegan escribió: Hi Carlos, Today at 18:45, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote: My apologies, I broke the string freeze in this evince commit:

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 14:00 +0200, Claessens Xavier wrote: Seems great goals ! Have some questions: 1) Is GTK+-3.0 scheduled ? Or is it a long long time work which will be released when it's ready. Will be a GTK+-2.10 version ? Or 3.0 is the next version ? 2) If GTK+-3.0 is released, will

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 17:43 +0300, Olexiy Avramchenko wrote: Maybe just moving deprecated widgets to a separate library, like libgtk2.0-compat.la, would be a better solution? We'd get well maintained applications to avoid linking to this library, while at the same time keeping it

GLib, GTK+ branched

2005-08-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
We have created stable branches now for GLib and GTK+ GLib 2.8 maintenance branch: glib-2-8 GTK+ 2.8 maintenance branch: gtk-2-8 Regards, Matthias ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: invalid arguments to public API: g_assert, g_return_if_fail or continue with undefined behavior

2005-09-13 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 14:10 +0100, Ross Burton wrote: On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 15:52 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote: I'd really like to have a GNOME-wide policy for dealing with public API and invalid arguments. If we feel like the traditional C route is good, we can remove all of these

Re: the big jump forward

2005-09-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 16:28 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote: 2005/9/23, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...for the memory reduction efforts is getting closer. Yesterday, we tracked down and fixed the last major regression in the mmap-cache branch of fontconfig, so it should be ready

Re: the big jump forward

2005-09-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 10:17 -0500, William Lovaton wrote: Matthias, These are very good news and looking at the kind of tests that you are asking for, I'm willing to check this out. Right now my machine is a Fedora Core 4 system with all the official updates installed. Is it possible for

Re: Unify metacity and libwnck menu icons as named icons

2005-10-20 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 12:22 +0200, Michele Cella wrote: It would also be great if applications icons (used by tasklist, window selector and metacity) can be coherent with the icon theme. IMHO it's not that nice to launch an application with it's launcher icon and look at a totally

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 17:39 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hey, The next releases of glib (HEAD and glib-2-8) will support a new debug flag for the G_DEBUG environment variable: fatal_criticals. This make the program crash on critical warnings. I propose to use this nice feature during the

Re: Pango performance work for Gnome 2.14

2005-11-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 15:45 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Sex, 2005-11-18 às 09:13 -0500, Matthias Clasen escreveu: Hey, one of the last GTK+ team meetings, we discussed that it would be nice to get all the Pango performance work done by Federico, Billy, Behdad and others

Re: Yelp patches

2005-11-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 11:43 -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: I'll just point out that libgnomeprint* are going away in the near future, in favor of printing support in GTK+ proper. While I'm sure the patch is fine, and the work is greatly appreciated, it is a bit of a weird time to be trying to add

Re: Dependency question for gnome dictionary

2005-12-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 12/15/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/15/05, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 23:46 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: Hi all, The new Dictionary code (soon to land in gnome-utils HEAD) introduces a small-ish library called libgdict; it's a

Re: GNOME Icon Theme 2.13.5[.1] AKA the HOLY CRAP, ICONS! release

2006-01-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 1/17/06, Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right. Only Kenya [1] has lions, and only GNOME has over 1200 uniquely named icons, in its default theme. In an effort to improve the maintainability of gnome-icon-theme, I've spent most of this past weekend preparing it to migrate GNOME

Re: GNOME Icon Theme 2.13.5[.1] AKA the HOLY CRAP, ICONS! release

2006-01-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 1/17/06, Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 14:14 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, lets talk about this new dependency, icon-naming-utils. There is a couple of issues here: - The jhbuild gnome 2.14 moduleset does not know about it This is a trivial problem

Re: GNOME Icon Theme 2.13.5[.1] AKA the HOLY CRAP, ICONS! release

2006-01-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 1/17/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/17/06, Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - It uses perl-XML-Simple, unlike other perl utilitites like intltool, which use perl-XML-Parser. This is a problem for us, since perl-XML-Simple is in Fedora Extras atm.

Re: GNOME Icon Theme 2.13.5[.1] AKA the HOLY CRAP, ICONS! release

2006-01-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
I may be able to get perl-XML-Simple pulled into FC2, even if we normally don't allow new packages after test2. But regardless of that, it sucks to use *yet* another perl parser, just because we haven't used them all yet... Ok, this is getting interesting, perl-XML-Simple drags in

Re: GNOME Icon Theme 2.13.5[.1] AKA the HOLY CRAP, ICONS! release

2006-01-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
Perhaps this is a packaging issue? It certainly doesn't depend on that module here [1], or any machine I've ever installed it on before. And according to the source listing on cpan.org, it seems to only require XML::SAX or XML::Parser, which then also depend on other things, such as

Re: gtkspell (was Re: Announcing: Project Ridley)

2006-01-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 8/27/05, Chipzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a Gtk+ developer, but I think one of the criteria for being considered is: doesn't introduce a new library dependency, or maybe it can, if it really makes sense. Gtk+ depending on a spell checking library hardly makes sense, however. I would

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-30 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 1/30/06, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Changes since 2.13.5.1 background: - Added apply button (Rodney Dawes) (327335) - Fixed glib CRITICAL warnings (Rodney Dawes) (327327) So, Gnome 2.12 had a nice working immediate apply background changer. Why did this get changed to an odd

Re: Performance (wasRe: control-center 2.13.90 released)

2006-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 1/31/06, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Do we have a general performance problem currently? My Fedora Rawhide (FC5) desktop is slow as hell atm. I thought at first it was a distribution/development edition issue, but talking to people running Dapper at the

Re: breakage caused by removed icons from gnome-icon-theme

2006-02-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/4/06, Christian Persch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The latest gnome-icon-theme release has removed the gnome-spinner and gnome-spinner-rest themed icons, causing breakage in (at least) epiphany, nautilus, gedit and beagle. Other people have told me that other removed icons also cause

Re: breakage caused by removed icons from gnome-icon-theme

2006-02-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/6/06, Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] using sane fallbacks, as well as dropping the symlink compat bits, If you are dropping compatibility stuff, please at least consider doing a tarball containing the compat links, so that there is an easy way to keep third-party software

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-02-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/6/06, Federico Mena Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 12:04 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: Has anyone figured these out? :) I have put a patch which removes the delays from the capplet and gnome-settings-daemon in

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-02-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/6/06, Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) GtkOptionMenu is deprecated. 2) GtkComboBox makes it very difficult to add icons to the drop-down. What a silly excuse. Everybody else seems to manage. We even ship a porting guide in.the api docs and an illustrated example in gtk-demo.

Re: Plan to fix icons [was: Re: breakage caused by removed icons from gnome-icon-theme]

2006-02-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/6/06, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the conversation about making g-i-t a 'platform API' - now how major do you think this change is? :-) If we are talking about making g-i-t part of the platform, it should also be pointed out that the latest releases of g-i-t have added

Re: gnome-screensaver

2006-02-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/7/06, William Jon McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Davyd, Davyd Madeley wrote: I see that both Ubuntu Dapper and Fedora Core 5 test 2 are shipping with gnome-screensaver now. Having now used both of them, does it seem slow for anyone else? It seems that something has gone

Re: Less antiquated format for animations

2006-02-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/8/06, Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 21:27 +0200, Tommi Komulainen wrote: On 2/7/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: b) I believe we should pick a file format that did not already look antiquated when it was first employed in wanda the fish 5

Re: Less antiquated format for animations

2006-02-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/8/06, Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 15:33 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: That spec is a one-man show, I assume then ? The Icon Naming Spec? Or the APNG spec? I don't know much aobut the APNG spec really. It was brought up in #tango a week or so ago, when we

Re: Less antiquated format for animations

2006-02-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
So, to give some positive input to this discussion, if gif, ani (or more esoteric formats like mng or apng) are not acceptable because they are not already supported by gnome and kde, how about making use of a mechanism already present in the icon theme spec, and define a set of extra keys for

Re: New panel logout/shutdown alert - a mini ui review

2006-02-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
While we are discussing these dialogs, here are some other small issues we have noticed: - Changing the numbers in the countdown string should not affect the dialog size - Reboot should be Restart for consistency with gdm - The button order in the Shutdown dialog is a bit odd. Why is Cancel

Re: New panel logout/shutdown alert - a mini ui review

2006-02-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/9/06, Luca Ferretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Il giorno gio, 09/02/2006 alle 07.46 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: While we are discussing these dialogs, here are some other small issues we have noticed: - Changing the numbers in the countdown string should not affect

Re: requesting official list of modules and versions for GNOME 2.14

2006-02-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/9/06, Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 10:58 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: On Thu, February 9, 2006 10:41, Davyd Madeley wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 09:10:55AM +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + gtk-engines: I quickly looked at the archives and couldn't

Re: New panel logout/shutdown alert - a mini ui review

2006-02-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
Another idea to reduce the anciety issue would be to start counting in larger increments, say 10 seconds, and only switch to per-second updates for the last 20 seconds or so. Matthias ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Module decisions for GNOME 2.14

2006-02-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/11/06, Dominic Lachowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2.13 has gotten a lot of testing, and has come out a lot better than any previously released version. It has had a good number of bugs filed against it (and fixed), so it's gotten some testing by people other than Caleb and myself. I'm

Re: some breakages due to icons move from hicolor to gnome

2006-02-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/23/06, Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 17:39 +0100, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Hi, During that cycle a lot of icons from gnome-icon-theme have been moved from hicolor to gnome, that has for effect to cause different sort of breakages, by example: - it

Re: some breakages due to icons move from hicolor to gnome

2006-02-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
Why not just make gnome-settings-daemon export the XSetting ? Sorry, that was a thinko on my part... ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

gnome-session api break

2006-02-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
The gnome-session 2.13.92 changes the location in which it looks for autostart files from /etc/xdg/autostart (which is the xdg-spec-mandated location) to /usr/share/autostart (which is what kde used for a long time for something similar). While we generally agree that datadir is a better location

Re: gnome-session api break

2006-02-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/28/06, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 17:09 +0100, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Le mardi 28 février 2006 à 16:55 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit : again, since only 1 module in GNOME CVS uses it, why would we need to support the old directory? I can add that

Re: GTK+ 2.10 on track for GNOME 2.16?

2006-04-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 4/25/06, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Matthias and GTK+ dudes, Just wanted to check with you that GTK+ 2.10 is on track as per the 2.10 plan page [1], such that we can depend on all your cool new work in GNOME 2.16. If your plans have changed, an update and recommendation as to

Re: gcalctool tarball dist for GNOME 2.15.1 is broken.

2006-04-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 4/25/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like I got hit by the same bug in metacity -- no translations in the release(s) I made for 2.15.1 and I also applied the po/LINGUAS fix from the Gnome Goals so I suspect it's related. But, make distcheck is all black magic to me. gdm

Re: gstreamer-0.10.x tarballs on f.g.o: checksums differ from those on freedesktop.org

2006-05-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 5/18/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The checksums for the gstreamer-0.10.x tarballs on ftp.gnome.org differ from those on http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gstreamer/ How can that be? It can easily happen because install-module generates the .bz2 files; if

Re: 2.15.x: 'loading theme icon for stock' problem persists...

2006-06-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 6/7/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a sense of humor. I will give that a try. For what it's worth... Fedora/rawhide [PPC: updated daily] does not have this problem. I have expended a number of cycles examining their src RPMs, looking for the magic patch that has

Re: Man Page Preferred Format ?

2006-06-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 6/7/06, Matt Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What is the preferred man page format perceived within the GNOME community ? Currently nroff is what is used for the few that are in existence, is this something that people see as sufficient ?, would DocBook / SGML or something else be a

Re: Noticed in passing

2006-07-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 15:27 +0100, Simos Xenitellis wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 09:56 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 09:43 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: While testing FC6 test1 I noticed that the keyboard layout indicator applet has several interesting menu items

commandline interfaces

2006-07-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
(I'm in ranting mood today...) So, another thing I noticed while doing rawhide testing is that the bug-buddy commandline interface got broken in 2.15. As a consequence, evo can no longer bring up bug-buddy to report a bug, and ironically, the .desktop file shipping with bug-buddy itself got

Re: Noticed in passing

2006-07-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/7/06, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that's the point. It's been done. I am happy. It's just not working for mclasen. FWIW, I fully agree that this is a useful feature when its working. I'm still shocked about the plugins though...

Re: commandline interfaces

2006-07-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/7/06, Matthew Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 11:11 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, another thing I noticed while doing rawhide testing is that the bug-buddy commandline interface got broken in 2.15. As a consequence, evo can no longer bring up bug-buddy

preserving user configuration

2006-07-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
(last rant for today...) So, the stock ticker applet has been replaced by a new all-shiny python incarnation. Has any thought been given to preserving the user configuration ? I see some thought has been given to it, since it installs a bonobo server file which replaces the old stock ticker

Re: preserving user configuration

2006-07-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/7/06, Raphael Slinckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the implementation is lagging a bit. The interesting thing about it, is that there is no other way to preserve settings from gtik than to walk the gconf key /apps/panel/applets, look for directories names applet_*, look into each

Re: Noticed in passing

2006-07-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/7/06, Sergey Udaltsov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here they are: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gswitchit_plugins/ They are some extra featurelets people asked - which would never be approved by HIG. Especially important: helping people using the flags for indication. Flags !!! I knew it.

Re: FreeType upgrade = apps linked against libttf.so need to be rebuilt

2006-07-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/10/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeType-2.1.x contains libttf.so as well as libfreetype.so. See Fedora 4 5. In version 2.2.x, the true type font stuff has been incorporated into libfreetype and libttf.so has been eliminated. Thats entirely a fedora packaging

Re: Gnome 2.15.4 is broken

2006-07-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/12/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, since it isn't going away, if you allow this to happen to you, you will be publicly shamed on d-d-l, and maybe even beaten with half a pair of virtual pants. You don't want that to happen. I don't know if it is easy to make make

Re: Noticed in passing

2006-07-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/10/06, Sergey Udaltsov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flags !!! I knew it. There will always be a way to allow users to indicate layouts using flags (as long as I maintain GNOME xkb indicator at least). It can be hidden, non-documented, whatever (so GNOME would not take political

Re: Gnome 2.15.4 is broken

2006-07-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
Another issue: gnome-icon-theme-2.15.3 requires icon-naming-utils 0.7.3, which is nowhere to be found... ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

bug-buddy support

2006-07-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
I noticed that bug-buddy refuses to file bugs against a number of core desktop applications (I just found yelp and evince). I think we should make an effort to ensure that all core desktop apps have the necessary information in their .desktop files by 2.16. Matthias

consistency (or lack thereof)

2006-07-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
Most of the control-center capplets are immediate-apply (except for ones which have very good reason not to be), and all of then have a Close button. All ? No, not all. The background capplet considers it better to have a Finish button instead... I have asked to fix this, but I have been told

Re: Bug buddy maintainer? (Was Re: bug-buddy support)

2006-07-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/21/06, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 21:06 +0200, Fernando Herrera wrote: Anyway, I did my best to get new bug-buddy interface and internal ready for 2.16, after the great work from Olav in bugzilla.gnome.org and lot of help from Brent. I am sorry

Re: Bug buddy maintainer? (Was Re: bug-buddy support)

2006-07-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/21/06, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 15:20 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: You need to add something to the .desktop file to convince bug-buddy to consider your app. Check out a desktop file of an app that bug-buddy does recognize for the details. I do

Re: Bug buddy maintainer? (Was Re: bug-buddy support)

2006-07-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/21/06, Fernando Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, they are: [example for gnome-calculator .desktop file] X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Bugzilla=GNOME X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Product=gcalctool X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Component=general X-GNOME-Bugzilla-OtherBinaries=gnome-calculator Can you explain what

Re: Putting the 'Mono debate' back on the rails

2006-07-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/22/06, Joe Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Vincent, Vincent Untz wrote: The API in the bindings suite covers the platform API. This has to be clear to ISD/ISV and we don't want to compromise this message. Please don't consider Gtk# only, but the platform (with the bindings) as a

Re: Proposed Orca Migration

2006-07-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
Whatever solution you choose in the end, please make sure that it will continue to work with gnopernicus (it was too late for us to replace gnopernicus by orca for FC6) Matthias ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Proposed Orca Migration

2006-07-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/24/06, Willie Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean FC6 will not be GNOME 2.16? It will be 2.16 - except for new modules which are not yet in FC. Of course, most (all ?) of the new modules under consideration are available in Fedora Extras anyway. Matthias

Re: GnomeClient replacement?

2006-07-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/25/06, Bill Haneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A better solution would be to use an XSETTING for a11y instead of just a gconf key, so that apps could detect it w/o a gconf dependency. This has been discussed in the past and seems to me it would have been better than ripping the

Re: Winners of today's build breakages

2006-07-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
This is almost a no-win situation. Would the community accept us not allowing modules to depend on e.g. dbus and hal cvs starting in gnome 2.17? It'd really be a lot nicer to just depend on the distributor versions of these modules for many reasons. I think it would make a lot of sense to

Re: [g-a-devel] GnomeClient replacement?

2006-07-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/26/06, Fernando Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Humm I'm seeing a problem here. What about GNOME/GTK+ applications launched outside a gnome-session? (for example people using KDE). They won't get the gtk-modules XSETTING and then they won't be accesible at all. I guess that the

removing non-working things

2006-07-30 Thread Matthias Clasen
The gnome-ui-properties capplet contains a Detachable toolbars checkbox, which has three issues: a) It only affects BonoboToolbars, not for regular GtkToolbars b) It does not even work correctly for bonobo toolbars (try detaching and reattaching the evolution toolbar, for instance) c) Even

Re: removing non-working things

2006-07-30 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 7/30/06, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is a need to fill the void, we could add a Show icons in buttons checkbox instead, since this is a feature that works reliably everywhere... Does it? Maybe it is no longer a problem anymore but a long time ago when developers

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 8/1/06, Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always intended to draw the specific media icons, but I really hope to see infrastructure for getting the generic fallback in place first so that theming is actually a solution and not an excuse. But certainly thats not an excuse for ripping

Re: Global keybindings in GNOME (was: Tomboy in Desktop)

2006-08-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 8/6/06, Nigel Tao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deskbar-applet has this aswell (same code). I think GNOME needs some API for registering global keybindings. IIRC someone did some work on providing an actual UI for user defined keybindings (instead of the current mess with gconf). Isn't it

Re: Global keybindings in GNOME

2006-08-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 8/12/06, Alex Graveley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we do something like this, I think it's important to present the UI in a way which isn't overwhelming. Having a bunch of apps that I've never heard about and never run populating a huge list in the already-huge keybindings dialog would be

sticky-notes - tomboy conversion

2006-08-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
I see that sticky-notes is now no longer built in gnome-applets by default, since we have Tomboy. Thats all great, and Alex was so nice to include a plugin for sticky-notes import in Tomboy, but currently the import has to be manually triggered by the user, after he found the plugin in the ui -

Re: sticky-notes - tomboy conversion

2006-08-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 8/22/06, Sanford Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/22/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, can we please make the sticky notes import happen automatically and unintrusively at startup ? After all, we already replaced the applet itself without asking the user

Re: sticky-notes - tomboy conversion

2006-08-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 8/22/06, Alex Graveley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why clutter common parts of the UI with an action that people will run at most once? It will be triggered automatically the first time Tomboy is run for most people anyway (after Sanford's most recent change goes in). Great, thanks.

Re: gnome desktop integration library

2006-09-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/7/06, Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The don't have time argument leads to a libno-time-to-port-to-windows which kind of sucks as a way to organize the platform. Didn't GTK used to have a policy that stuff went in for X and the Windows team had to keep up? It was a little

Re: gnome desktop integration library

2006-09-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/6/06, JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is, I've seen no unequivocal declaration about gtk+ and glib accepting these higher level abstractions, so perhaps matthias can comment, because historically this has not been the case and is a primary concern for me at least. I

external dependencies

2006-09-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external dependencies, and use tarball modules for them in the gnome-2.18 moduleset in jhbuild. I see that we already do that for hal, with the hal-0-5-7 id. fontconfig 2.4.0 has

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/22/06, Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/22/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that liboil-0.3.9 has a number of bug fixes. It appears to have been released a day after 0.3.8 was released: [ ] liboil-0.3.7.tar.gz 02-Feb-2006 23:06 804K [ ] liboil-0.3.8.tar.gz 21-Mar-2006 18:22 815K [ ]

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/22/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mattias, I believe that you are correct [for the moment]. I took a quick look through apps in GARNOME-2.16.x dependent up dbus. I found that dbus-0.70, required by gnome-power-manager-2.17.1, appears to be good enough for now.

Re: fam vs. gamin

2006-09-29 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/29/06, Jan de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 10:49 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: There was once a complaint that gamin was unmaintained and buggy such that fam was then recommended, yet I see gamin instead of fam @

Re: fam vs. gamin

2006-10-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/30/06, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le vendredi 29 septembre 2006 à 10:56 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit : This is a bit of misinformation. gamin works fine on my nfs home directory. But it works by polling, while fam queries the remote fam server which is notified

pulseaudio vs gnome

2007-01-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hey, I just wondered what the current state of affairs is in the esound - pulseaudio transition. I found a wiki page (http://live.gnome.org/PulseAudio?highlight=%28pulse%29), but I'm not sure how uptodate it is. Is this something that we can still complete for 2.18 ? Is anybody working on this ?

Control center shell, panel and breaking compat

2007-01-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
So, I put 2.17.90 in rawhide over the last few days and watched our Fedora menu layout break on the way. It appears that the switch to using the cc shell by default in upstream gnome broke the panel menu code for anybody who prefers to stay with the previous submenu layout for the preferences

Re: Control center shell, panel and breaking compat

2007-01-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 1/23/07, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 12:03 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, I put 2.17.90 in rawhide over the last few days and watched our Fedora menu layout break on the way. It appears that the switch to using the cc shell by default in upstream

Re: Cairo-1.2.6 required

2007-01-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 1/23/07, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/23/07, Kjartan Maraas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tir, 23.01.2007 kl. 00.00 +, skrev Chris Wilson: Hi, today I had the misfortunate to experience a crash with gnome-terminal. Fortunately Carl Worth was on irc at the time

Re: Control center shell, panel and breaking compat

2007-01-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 1/23/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mardi 23 janvier 2007, à 14:28, Matthias Clasen a écrit : You are wrong. The breakage is that the panel simply stopped to parse settings.menu and hardcodes the cc shell now. No change in gnome-menus is going to fix

Re: Synchronising an app with the system clock

2007-02-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 2/15/07, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew Thanks for your thoughts, very useful info. Back on the thought of a system clock D-Bus service, how does this sound? (Sorry to reiterate some info.) Sounds really really bad. We didn't work hard to reduce wakeups only to introduce

Re: Proposal to bless gnome-common as an external dependency

2007-03-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
Do any modules depend on it (or need to) at tarball-build-time or runtime? If any do, that would certainly be a bug. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

broken bug-buddy support in applets

2007-03-30 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hey, I noticed today that for virtually every applet I shot down with kill -BUS, bug-buddy claimed to not know it and did not offer to send out a bug report. The .server files of the applets did have the necessary bugzilla information, and debugging bug-buddy showed that it actually reads all

Re: broken bug-buddy support in applets

2007-03-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 3/31/07, Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007, Matthias Clasen wrote: I noticed today that for virtually every applet I shot down with kill -BUS, bug-buddy claimed to not know it and did not offer to send out a bug report. I couldn't find the corresponding bug

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