Re: BlueZ 5 migration

2013-07-01 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Mon, 2013-07-01 at 09:47 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: I'd rather ship without Bluetooth audio support in 3.10.0 You're kidding, right? We *can't* do that. This is where release-team gets involved, isn't it? Please? I mean, we're going to have yet another PR disaster if the headlines at

Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 14:49 +0300, אנטולי קרסנר wrote: Keeping track of the process would become much easier than the current mix of IRC, mailing lists and wiki pages. So then it would be a mix of IRC, mailing lists, wiki pages, and this thing. As ever,

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 12:10 +, Martyn Russell wrote: What are the benefits of moving to Wayland? I rather enjoyed the recent talk [1] given by Daniel Stone six weeks ago at LCA. I'd encourage anyone interested in learning more about Wayland who doesn't already know everything about it to

Re: GNOME 3.5.91 second beta release

2012-09-12 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 13:20 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: In addition to 'sudo dd ...', it might be worth pointing out that you can use the Restore Disk Image feature in GNOME Disks for this operation So as you said there, you didn't expect this to turn out to be a use case, but since it is,

Re: bumping the pulseaudio requirement

2012-06-29 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 15:37 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: We have a nice sound panel simplification incoming in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674831 which relies on pa 2.0 api to get rid of the 'Hardware' tab. I propose that we bump the pulseaudio requirement to 2.0 so we can

Re: GNOME Goal Proposal: Port to GMenu

2012-05-07 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 13:55 +0100, Allan Day wrote: It would be great if we could improve on the current situation and ensure that all our applications present an appropriate set of items in their GMenu. Is there a reference application doing this right? I ask this because Epiphany¹ has no

Re: Anyone using UNCONFIRMED in Bugzilla?

2012-01-03 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 10:03 +1100, Danielle Madeley wrote: I actually prefer the idea of NEW/CONFIRMED as statuses. Most people won't appreciate the difference between NEW and UNCONFIRMED. I'd mostly like to use the CONFIRMED status for long running bugs so we can say yes, we know about this,

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 14:15 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: And, in suborder, why can't Boxes be simply a non-core, featured application, just like GIMP or Simple Scan? Because there's a big difference between an integrated, designed, polished, documented and translated GNOME app and something

Re: systemd as external dependency

2011-05-18 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 18:59 +0200, Jan de Groot wrote: This is not just about kFreeBSD, but about any non-linux OS that GNOME runs on. If the attitude becomes screw them, they're different, then GNOME should officially screw every distribution that doesn't provide the latest and greatest

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-10 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 15:49 +0200, Michael Terry wrote: I'm also happy to answer any questions about Déjà Dup, obviously. I had a look at deja-dup, and was quite impressed at its simplicity. But I found it a bit difficult to recreate the kind of backup that I presently do with duplicity. I

Re: Planned GNOME Shell UI changes (was Re: String and UI Change Announcement)

2011-01-10 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:33 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: * The default font will be changing to Cantarell Cantarell? If Cantarell is this, http://abattis.org/cantarell/ which says As my very first typeface design... designed for on-screen reading; in particular, reading web

Re: Applets and GNOME 3

2010-09-28 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 14:09 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: I thought we were going to distribute gnome panel and applets for some cycles before dropping them out. If that's the plan, then we need some kind of time limit, and we need to build the old libraries with gtk3 [world of pain]. I

Boston dates?

2010-08-01 Thread Andrew Cowie
Hey, What are the dates of Boston this year? I assume the usual Canadian Thanksgiving / American Columbus Day second weekend of October weekend which would be 8/9/10 Oct — but the BostonSummit page on the wiki doesn't say anything about 2010. AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie | Consulting

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-26 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: However we do want to keep our development branches in bzr+launchpad. That sounds reasonable. The Java bindings have been using bzr since before GNOME moved to svn. Needless to say we kept using it, and likewise skipped the subsequent move

Re: Module Proposal: GNOME Shell

2010-04-05 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Sun, 2010-04-04 at 09:24 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Let me phrase it a little differently then - it's not a problem that GNOME is able to fix. If there is demand, I assume NVIDIA will work on xrandr support. Yeah, but given how long NVIDIA has been a part of our community (hey, at least

Re: Module proposal: GNOME Color Manager

2010-02-18 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 10:27 +, Richard Hughes wrote: Purpose: GNOME Color Manager is a session framework for the GNOME desktop environment that makes it easy to manage easy to manage, install and generate color profiles. In view of the fact that the Cairo graphics library community has no

Re: TARBALLS DUE: GNOME 2.29.5 Development Release (also: String and UI change announcement)

2010-01-12 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 18:04 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: Actually this is an elaborate scheme to promote the ical file and get maintainers to release tarballs without any emails from the release team. http://www.gnome.org/start/unstable/schedule.ics : subscribe to it!

Re: Window titles

2009-11-17 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:27 +, Calum Benson quotes from HIG: If you plan to include your application's name in the title of a primary window... Since I wrote my first message, I've come to realize that the *only* windows on the desktop that _don't_ have applications in the title are _some_

Window titles

2009-11-14 Thread Andrew Cowie
What is the current correct behaviour for window titles? I'm working in something right now that manipulates documents; I could do: blah.xml blah.xml - Program Chapter Title Chapter Title - Program When I researched the HIG on this (some years ago, admittedly), the advice boiled down to what I

Re: Signalling when the desktop is loaded

2009-08-12 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 00:15 +0400, Alexey Rusakov wrote: What if I don't run Nautilus at the start of the session (don't use it to draw the desktop)? Isn't that one of the definitions of what a running GNOME Desktop is? This isn't trolling, by the way. I ran into this a few weeks ago; we

Re: Location of autostart files

2009-05-21 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 19:51 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: autostart files shipped by GNOME programs used to reside in /usr/share/gnome/autostart. Now, I’m finding more and more of them in /etc/xdg/autostart. This is a problem for a few reasons. Everything you say made sense to me.

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-05 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 22:46 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: GNOME contributors with an SVN account who had an SSH key installed on their account were invited to fill in the survey. [It is NOT my intention to get all negative here; I understand - and accept - that projects make decisions and not

Re: External Deps: Minimal Python dependency

2008-07-22 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 18:01 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: What distributions have Python 2.5 It was a long time coming, but Gentoo recently stabilized dev-lang/python as at 2.5.2-r5 on all major architectures. 2.5 has been in ~arch (ie testing) for ever, of course. AfC Sydney signature.asc

Re: gnome-session proposal

2008-06-26 Thread Andrew Cowie
I've been very happy with stable and trunk Metacity with compositing enabled, but the 2-3 second pause to redraw windows when changing workspaces is really staggering. On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 17:43 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: Metacity's compositor works pretty well here except for slow

Re: gnome-session proposal

2008-06-25 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 19:49 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: Most importantly, I think, this is a good example of progress in GNOME via the JFDI school of thought. That is *exactly* what I was thinking when I read Jon's email. Well thought out indeed. AfC Sydney signature.asc Description: This

Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.24

2008-03-25 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 09:26 -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote: libmissioncontrol is LGPLv2 only. This is a problem as it prevent Gnome to ever move to (L)GPLv3. So what? LGPLv2 is Free Software. That is sufficient in our view. Even more so because we are talking about the LGPL here. There is

Re: install-module on master.gnome.org

2008-03-20 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 22:26 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: - checking of sane versions (no 'rc1' 'beta1' etc) Why not? If a project wants to do that, that's their business. AfC Toronto signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: install-module on master.gnome.org

2008-03-20 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 22:39 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: There is no reliable way to determine the latest versions. You said you'd be working in Python; the Gentoo linux people have some excellent ordering algorithms embodied in Portage. I can ask around to find out the particular code to look

Re: Low memory hacks

2008-03-04 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 14:33 +0100, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: BTW being able to render Chinese just fine if a friend of mine happens to want to check a Chinese web site on my laptop sounds like a useful issue to me, even if I'm sacrificing 10MB of my harddisk for it. You don't have to be Chinese;

Re: Need input from the community for anjuta (was Re: Proposed module: anjuta)

2008-01-07 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 17:33 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: Does Anjuta have (or do the developers plan to have) glade-like or devhelp-like functionality built in I had some long chats with Naba at foss.in this year, and among other things I saw devhelp and glade3 integrated in seamlessly [I gather

Re: Releasing libgweather standalone

2008-01-07 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 19:34 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: Bastien did some kick-ass work to produce a standalone version of libgweather ... With Matthias's help, I've been fixing up libgweather and it's now make dist-able. Awesome! [This is not to be an API-stable platform library,

Re: Extreme memory usage for gnome-panel related apps

2007-12-06 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 14:37 -0500, Colin Walters wrote: And more generally, to have one VM per language type, rather than per app. I suppose one problem you'd have to deal with is the tendency for a segfault to take out the entire VM. The C [only] programmers reading this are, of course, all

Re: build systems

2007-11-13 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 11:01 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: Richard Hughes wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 00:32 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: In this case there is an easy solution. Convert a few GNOME projects to the new build system and show the result. Good plan. I've got an old branch

Re: pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 10:47 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: I'm not sure you want to build your case of PA is not right for GNOME based on Pro audio users. This came up during the PulseAudio session at Boston Summit, and it was notable that the conversation went something like: Person B:

Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.22

2007-09-27 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 10:03 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: I wouldn't re-license it [there is tons of both context and history here, which the rest of this thread covers. On the topic of licencing, however:] I must admit that as an advocate of software freedom and as someone who works for a firm

Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.22

2007-09-23 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 17:07 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: See my other reply regarding Pidgin's de facto status as the Gnome desktop IM client. Being a part of GNOME is not just writing an app that happens to use GTK (and don't even talk about the evolution - great way to smash your

Re: GThread-ERROR **: GThread system may only be initialized once

2007-08-10 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 15:42 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: GThread-ERROR **: GThread system may only be initialized once. aborting... Do either of these help? http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-January/msg5.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/2007-July/msg00054.html

Re: Any suggestions for what to use as key - value database in gnome-keyring?

2007-04-30 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 05:16 +, Nate Nielsen wrote: I was put off by the fact that Evolution, NSS, and many other projects have Berkeley DB as part of their source rather than depending on it as a library. Anyone with inside know if this is due to incompatibilities between versions or

The right mailing list list?

2007-04-23 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 13:46 -0700, Jeff Waugh wrote in another thread: (However, this is not on-topic for this list -- I suggest you post general discussion stuff like this to gnome-hackers Which gave me pause: I had long been under the impression that desktop-devel-list, despite it's legacy

Re: normalizing filenames and strings

2007-03-29 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 19:52 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: g_filename_to_utf8() and g_filename_from_utf8() Just when I thought I was beginning to know something, an old hand like Frederico goes and describes something that is enormously powerful and _very_ well presented in the docs, that

Re: Battstat-applet and GNOME 2.19.x

2007-03-23 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 19:07 -0700, Corey Burger wrote: On 3/23/07, Diego Escalante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, right now the tray is already over abused The simple reality is that all major distros are already shipping gpm and as such, the argument is kind of moot. True, but several

Re: Synchronising an app with the system clock

2007-02-14 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 19:28 +, Alex Jones wrote: This involves a glib timeout of 1000ms, which I understand is not 100% guaranteed to work because it might skip from... One of the things we're working on is an application that displays timezones. So, surprise, we needed not just hourly

Re: GNOME git repositories?

2006-12-29 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2006-12-27 at 10:11 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: Someone should start a project named 'Harmony' Did you know that Harmony is the name of the project that ASF is running to try to create another Free VM [because they didn't want to contribute to the long standing Free Java project called

Re: Proposal: NetworkManager for GNOME 2.18.

2006-12-19 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 09:05 -0500, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: NetworkManager requires a patched version of dhcp Drifting towards off-topic, but can you (or someone) explain (or point us to a discussion elsewhere) what's needed here? Are you talking about the DHCP client in ISC's releases, or

Re: getting on a longer release cycled

2006-09-07 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 13:23 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: Not sure if I'll paraphrase him correctly, You came close enough that I shan't quibble :) ++ This is what I've experienced in language binding land (and probably the story I told Elijah that he's paraphrasing): The people I work with on

Re: Tomboy in Desktop

2006-07-27 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 00:19 +0100, Iain * wrote: As for its conflict with sticky notes, the options are a) Have both b) Have both but deprecate sticky notes. c) Replace How does all this square with the notes component in Evolution? Seems that instead of both above the right term would be

Re: Patches for scrollkeeper...is scrollkeeper maintained?

2006-07-26 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 21:54 +0100, Don Scorgie wrote: Hopefully at some point soon, we can remove scrollkeeper entirely and replace it. Oh? Sounds interesting. What With? [Just out of interest... presumably the time to discuss across-the-platform architectural issues is before people write

Re: focus! (was Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al)

2006-07-18 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 10:46 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: GNOME Maemo: I don't know their concept or target audience, but I can imagine something like - Create a newspaper replacement device for coffee shops, the kitchen table, riding the train to work.

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-15 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 18:58 -0400, Ben Maurer wrote: We're not proposing Java. ... No, but one of these days GNOME developers who happen to be working in Java on will be on the receiving end of the same discussion, so I for one appreciate the inclusiveness of the conversation. Sun is

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-14 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 14:30 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: and not have to pick sides. The downstream distros/users could then pick a set of packages that fit together to meet their needs. Which, honestly, is what already happens. ... This is the gist of my comment yesterday that the debate is

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-13 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 11:57 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: IMO we should allow modules to depend on any of the official bindings. Since I want to see GNOME opened to new audiences and new contributors, I'm broadly in favour of the inclusive view which encourages innovation across the board.

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-13 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 16:51 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1] Of course we are still eager waiting for the Open Sourcing of Java ;) I suppose. Meanwhile, Free Java rocks and java-gnome builds and runs on Free Java no problem at all, both {JITing,}VMs and in native via GCJ.[2] Cheers, AfC

Module renames

2006-07-12 Thread Andrew Cowie
[I'm certain this isn't the correct list for administrivia, but I'm on the road and it's hard to interpolate what a better choice would have been. Apologies] We have a module whose name was renamed before it was released for the first time but after it started life in CVS. As we're about to