Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-04-04 Thread Martyn Russell
On 02/04/11 14:08, Adrien Bustany wrote: Additional work that could be done for a document centric GNOME: 1. Integrate tracker-preferences as a control panel applet, maybe with some basic monitoring (index up to date/indexing files, time remaining) Indeed. Actually, there are a few

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-04-04 Thread Martyn Russell
On 02/04/11 14:08, Adrien Bustany wrote: Additional work that could be done for a document centric GNOME: 1. Integrate tracker-preferences as a control panel applet, maybe with some basic monitoring (index up to date/indexing files, time remaining) I also meant to say, we removed the

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-04-04 Thread Frederic Crozat
2011/4/4 Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com: Also, I noticed that Tracker wasn't part of the GNOME live CD, it means that some of the plugins on the image (i.e. for Totem, Nautilus, etc) either don't work or aren't available. Is that planned to be improved upon? Is Zeitgeist in the same boat

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-04-02 Thread Adrien Bustany
Le Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:38:04 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero feder...@ximian.com a écrit : On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:02 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: - 'Finding and reminding' in the shell. There are fairly detailed writeups about this, and the Zeitgeist team and Federico have been working

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-04-01 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:02 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: - 'Finding and reminding' in the shell. There are fairly detailed writeups about this, and the Zeitgeist team and Federico have been working on something that at least looks similar.

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-04-01 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 16:39 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: This would require somebody writing the Web Accounts panel, which would integrate Telepathy accounts, libsocialweb accounts, and possibly Evolution ones too. My attempts at coercing people on working on that have so far failed for 3.0.

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-04-01 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 16:48 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 16:39 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: This would require somebody writing the Web Accounts panel, which would integrate Telepathy accounts, libsocialweb accounts, and possibly Evolution ones too. My

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-04-01 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 16:48 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 16:39 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: This would require somebody writing the Web Accounts panel, which would integrate Telepathy

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-30 Thread Martyn Russell
On 29/03/11 13:18, Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Hi Martyn, Hi, Thanks for this very detailed list. Just off the top of my head ;) Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 18:58 +, Martyn Russell a écrit : For me (and these are regressions since Gossip, possibly related to cross protocol compatibility

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-29 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le lundi 28 mars 2011 à 23:55 +0530, Allan Day a écrit : Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 11:08 +, Allan Day a écrit : I'd also like to see us concentrate on the design quality of our core applications. I'm starting planning goals for Empathy 3.2 and would

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-29 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Hi Martyn, Thanks for this very detailed list. Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 18:58 +, Martyn Russell a écrit : For me (and these are regressions since Gossip, possibly related to cross protocol compatibility in places?): - Can't name favourite chatrooms so they have a hideous title in tabs

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-28 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 11:08 +, Allan Day a écrit : I'd also like to see us concentrate on the design quality of our core applications. I'm starting planning goals for Empathy 3.2 and would like some input from the design team on some point. So I went to http://live.gnome.org/Design

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-28 Thread Allan Day
Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 11:08 +, Allan Day a écrit : I'd also like to see us concentrate on the design quality of our core applications. I'm starting planning goals for Empathy 3.2 and would like some input from the design team on some point. So I went

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-24 Thread Allan Day
and plans for GNOME 3.2. Thanks for starting this thread, Matthias. I totally agree with the priorities you've set out. Thanks Alan too. I'd also like to see us concentrate on the design quality of our core applications. There are already designs in the repository [1] for some

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Allan Day
Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 10:02 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit : - Sadly, empathy is not a great chat application; with chat being such a prominent feature in 3.0, we really should be doing much better here. I'm sorry to hear that. Empathy is great. I definitely

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Alexandre Mazari
to chime in with their own ideas and plans for GNOME 3.2. It would be nice to have some level of integration with web applications in the desktop. For instance, I would like to update my facebook status or tweet easily via the user status menu in the shell. I would also like facebook

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Allan Day
, as well as some other things that might be nice to put on the roadmap. Some of these have designs and/or working implementations, others or just ideas. I'd like to encourage everybody to chime in with their own ideas and plans for GNOME 3.2. Thanks for starting this thread, Matthias. I

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Guido Günther
off the 3.0 train at one point or another, as well as some other things that might be nice to put on the roadmap. Some of these have designs and/or working implementations, others or just ideas. I'd like to encourage everybody to chime in with their own ideas and plans for GNOME 3.2

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 11:08 +, Allan Day a écrit : I'd also like to see us concentrate on the design quality of our core applications. There are already designs in the repository [1] for some of these, including EoG, the calculator and Empathy. There are others that still need some

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Richard Hughes
On 23 March 2011 11:08, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Software aside, we really need that new version of the HIG that we've been talking about (Calum has been taking this forward recently)! In related news, I have no idea what the HIG is supposed to be for 3.0. Some control center panels

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Frederic Peters
at one point or another, as well as some other things that might be nice to put on the roadmap. Some of these have designs and/or working implementations, others or just ideas. I'd like to encourage everybody to chime in with their own ideas and plans for GNOME 3.2. Thanks

What are the current HIG? [Was: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans]

2011-03-23 Thread Allan Day
Richard Hughes wrote: On 23 March 2011 11:08, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Software aside, we really need that new version of the HIG that we've been talking about (Calum has been taking this forward recently)! In related news, I have no idea what the HIG is supposed to be for

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! Finally, I'd like to be thinking about our contributor experience. This might be something that has to wait until the following cycle, but it could be possible to start the process earlier. I'm particularly keen to examine the issue in a holistic fashion: we need to trace the journey of

Re: What are the current HIG? [Was: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans]

2011-03-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 17:10 +, Allan Day wrote: Richard Hughes wrote: On 23 March 2011 11:08, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Software aside, we really need that new version of the HIG that we've been talking about (Calum has been taking this forward recently)! In related

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 15:07 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: snip It would be excellent; if you don't blog about it, it didn't happen, and it has been so true with the gnome-design repository, we need to publicize the designs and this will get new contributors on board, I am really fond of the

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread John Stowers
the 3.0 train at one point or another, as well as some other things that might be nice to put on the roadmap. Some of these have designs and/or working implementations, others or just ideas. I'd like to encourage everybody to chime in with their own ideas and plans for GNOME 3.2. How about

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
in with their own ideas and plans for GNOME 3.2. How about a GtkMenuButton - so people can pack menus into a button if they don't want a menubar in their application. We are starting to see this trend a bit now, current examples are Chrome/ium and Firefox (kinda), but it appears

GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
things that might be nice to put on the roadmap. Some of these have designs and/or working implementations, others or just ideas. I'd like to encourage everybody to chime in with their own ideas and plans for GNOME 3.2. Matthias Shell / core stuff: - 'Finding and reminding' in the shell

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Xan Lopez
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: - There was a proposal by the epiphany team to look at epiphany / shell integration. We are working on defining a roadmap for 3.2 and beyond these days, but it seems clear to me that for 3.2 we'll at least try to

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Piñeiro
From: Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com - Accessibility: As Jon said in the discussion about the Universal Access menu, we don't really have a story to tell here. Still not in a position where we can turn on toolkit a11y by default, and the shell a11y leaves a lot to be desired too.

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Alexander Larsson
the 3.0 train at one point or another, as well as some other things that might be nice to put on the roadmap. Some of these have designs and/or working implementations, others or just ideas. I'd like to encourage everybody to chime in with their own ideas and plans for GNOME 3.2. It would

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Will Thompson
On 22/03/11 16:13, Alexander Larsson wrote: It would be nice to have some level of integration with web applications in the desktop. For instance, I would like to update my facebook status or tweet easily via the user status menu in the shell. I would also like facebook message notification

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
to chime in with their own ideas and plans for GNOME 3.2. It would be nice to have some level of integration with web applications in the desktop. For Web sites as applications, there's the possible SoC from Epiphany. For instance, I would like to update my facebook status or tweet easily via

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Alexander Larsson wrote: It would be nice to have some level of integration with web applications in the desktop. For instance, I would like to update my facebook status or tweet easily via the user status menu in the shell. I would also like facebook message notification with the message

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Gendre Sebastien
Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 17:13 +0100, Alexander Larsson a écrit : It would be nice to have some level of integration with web applications in the desktop. For instance, I would like to update my facebook status or tweet easily via the user status menu in the shell. I would also like facebook

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 17:51 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Alexander Larsson wrote: It would be nice to have some level of integration with web applications in the desktop. For instance, I would like to update my facebook status or tweet easily via the user status menu in the shell. I

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Gendre Sebastien
Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 16:39 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit : This would require somebody writing the Web Accounts panel, which would integrate Telepathy accounts, libsocialweb accounts, and possibly Evolution ones too. My attempts at coercing people on working on that have so far failed for

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 18:09 +0100, Gendre Sebastien wrote: Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 16:39 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit : This would require somebody writing the Web Accounts panel, which would integrate Telepathy accounts, libsocialweb accounts, and possibly Evolution ones too. My

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Will Thompson
On 22/03/11 16:39, Bastien Nocera wrote: As Will mentioned, those should be supported through Telepathy already. A clarification: Facebook doesn't expose their email-like messages over XMPP, so those are not supported through Telepathy's mail notification system. But the chat stuff should work.

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Gendre Sebastien
Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 16:39 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit : This would require somebody writing the Web Accounts panel, which would integrate Telepathy accounts, libsocialweb accounts, and possibly Evolution ones too. I think we can have a more modular system if we only set keys of

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 19:07 +0100, Gendre Sebastien wrote: Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 16:39 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit : This would require somebody writing the Web Accounts panel, which would integrate Telepathy accounts, libsocialweb accounts, and possibly Evolution ones too. I

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Martyn Russell
On 22/03/11 14:38, Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 10:02 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit : - Sadly, empathy is not a great chat application; with chat being such a prominent feature in 3.0, we really should be doing much better here. I'm sorry to hear that. Could you please

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Martyn Russell
On 22/03/11 16:39, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 17:13 +0100, Alexander Larsson wrote: And I'm sure there are many other small integration points that may be useful: * Easily share pictures on flickr/facebook/etc That's what the new nautilus-sendto is supposed to do (it supports

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 19:11 +, Martyn Russell wrote: On 22/03/11 16:39, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 17:13 +0100, Alexander Larsson wrote: And I'm sure there are many other small integration points that may be useful: * Easily share pictures on flickr/facebook/etc

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Martyn Russell
On 22/03/11 19:19, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 19:11 +, Martyn Russell wrote: Forgive me, what's the difference between this and browsing images from Tracker which mines data from Flickr already? Grilo is made to browse media, tracker isn't. What are you basing that on?

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Juan A.
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 19:11 +, Martyn Russell wrote: Forgive me, what's the difference between this and browsing images from Tracker which mines data from Flickr already? Grilo doesn't mine the Flickr images nor other content: it uses Flickr webservice to provide the content through a

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Juan A.
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 20:05 +, Martyn Russell wrote: The only way I see Tracker/Grilo being different is if Grilo does real-time searching with no caching of the results it gets. For web based services, this isn't going to be fast or responsive as using cached data. You also can't

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-22 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 18:00 +0100, Gendre Sebastien wrote: Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 17:13 +0100, Alexander Larsson a écrit : It would be nice to have some level of integration with web applications in the desktop. For instance, I would like to update my facebook status or tweet easily