Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-11 Thread Thomas Vander Stichele
Hi, Oh, this is all fine for _GStreamer_, but bad for _GNOME_, because this sends away potencial GNOME contributors since it's simply too difficult to build it. Sorry to be so blunt, but I think it was selfish of the GStreamer project to have -Werror in the makefiles. Two notes: - -Werror

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-11 Thread Ross Burton
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 14:24 +0100, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: Two notes: - -Werror is only enabled for CVS; releases have it disabled by default. - http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/faq/html/chapter-cvs.html#werror also shows how easy it is to override the flags.

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hey, On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 16:20 +, Ross Burton wrote: I'm guessing that Gustavo thought that -Werror was enabled in the releases, which everyone agrees is a bad idea (new compilers warn about code in interesing ways). I agree that using strict compile flags in development is a good

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-07 Thread Stanislav Brabec
Matthias Clasen wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 17:39 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: I'm not convinced that making HEAD unusable for everybody by enforcing this in gnome-session is the way forward. For one thing, it will drastically reduce the amount of testing that HEAD gets. I think making this

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-07 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
Seg, 2005-11-07 às 01:36 -0500, Matthias Clasen escreveu: On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 17:39 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hey, The next releases of glib (HEAD and glib-2-8) will support a new debug flag for the G_DEBUG environment variable: fatal_criticals. This make the program crash on

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-07 Thread Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 15:17 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Seg, 2005-11-07 às 01:36 -0500, Matthias Clasen escreveu: On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 17:39 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hey, The next releases of glib (HEAD and glib-2-8) will support a new debug flag for the G_DEBUG

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-07 Thread Julien Gilli
Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote: On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 15:17 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Seg, 2005-11-07 às 01:36 -0500, Matthias Clasen escreveu: On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 17:39 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: What do you think? I'm not convinced that making

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-07 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
Seg, 2005-11-07 às 17:39 +0100, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller escreveu: On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 15:17 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Seg, 2005-11-07 às 01:36 -0500, Matthias Clasen escreveu: On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 17:39 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hey, The next

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-07 Thread Elijah Newren
On 11/7/05, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could also mean that developers start thinking twice before adding a g_warning, and start using g_message instead, thus defeating is purpose. g_warning is for reporting real problems, but no critical ones; for critical

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-07 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 17:39 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: The next releases of glib (HEAD and glib-2-8) will support a new debug flag for the G_DEBUG environment variable: fatal_criticals. This make the program crash on critical warnings. I'm all for this. One thing we discussed on IRC is to

Making GNOME crash

2005-11-06 Thread Vincent Untz
Hey, The next releases of glib (HEAD and glib-2-8) will support a new debug flag for the G_DEBUG environment variable: fatal_criticals. This make the program crash on critical warnings. I propose to use this nice feature during the development cycles to help eradicate all these critical

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-06 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
I'm not really for this at least on the HEAD branch. Although, one idea would be to branch off the ubuntu mirrors and get people who want to test it build off of that? You can use the diffs of whatever the changes are into bugzilla. Just a thought. I think I mentioned this in IRC. sri On

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-06 Thread Luis Villa
On 11/6/05, Sriram Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not really for this at least on the HEAD branch. That is the only branch it makes even the smallest bit of sense on. Although, one idea would be to branch off the ubuntu mirrors and get people who want to test it build off of that?

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-06 Thread Elijah Newren
On 11/6/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said in IRC, I'm not terribly convinced we do a great job of fixing the crashes we already have, much less all the new crashes this will introduce. But I'm willing to be swayed by analysis of the incoming/outgoing crasher bug flow we

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-06 Thread Luis Villa
On 11/6/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/6/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said in IRC, I'm not terribly convinced we do a great job of fixing the crashes we already have, much less all the new crashes this will introduce. But I'm willing to be swayed by

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-06 Thread Julien Gilli
Vincent Untz wrote: What do you think? Even if i'm a newbie, i like to get feedback from my questions, so i'll give you some here :-). As Elijah pointed, i think finding bugs early is the right thing to do, so this idea seems pretty sound to me. -- Julien Gilli

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-06 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
Hi, On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 12:12 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: As I said in IRC, I'm not terribly convinced we do a great job of fixing the crashes we already have, much less all the new crashes this will introduce. But I'm willing to be swayed by analysis of the incoming/outgoing crasher bug flow

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 17:39 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hey, The next releases of glib (HEAD and glib-2-8) will support a new debug flag for the G_DEBUG environment variable: fatal_criticals. This make the program crash on critical warnings. I propose to use this nice feature during the

Re: Making GNOME crash

2005-11-06 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 01:36 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 17:39 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: What do you think? I'm not convinced that making HEAD unusable for everybody by enforcing this in gnome-session is the way forward. For one thing, it will drastically reduce