Re: Sorry State [Was: NLD10 and GNOME]

2006-02-11 Thread Lex Hider
On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 02:54 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Anna Marie Dirks What a big jerkbird! So lazy! So community-tearing! Definitely the work of an evil, evil noncontributor. Anna, as I mentioned in another email, this frustration is about a broader problem we have in our

Re: Sorry State [Was: NLD10 and GNOME]

2006-02-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Lex Hider (A similar set of issues were expressed more eloquently in my GUADEC talk, if you want to watch that video.) do you have a link? http://stream.fluendo.com/archive/6uadec/Jeff_Waugh_-_Project_Topaz.ogg - Jeff -- FOSDEM 2006: Brussels, Belgium

Re: Sorry State [Was: NLD10 and GNOME]

2006-02-11 Thread Jono Bacon
Hi all, My god, I am a little surprised at the discussion that has resulted from a small comparison I made on my blog. :P I want to be entirely clear in my opinion here - I was not criticising Novell for these changes, just making the comparison. In terms of the 'design behind closed doors', I

Re: Sorry State [Was: NLD10 and GNOME]

2006-02-08 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 08 février 2006 à 04:49 -0200, Evandro Fernandes Giovanini a écrit : I think the process used by Novell is very common in the GNOME community (and Free Software in general). For example take metacity. Sawfish was the default window manager, so Havoc could have started a

Re: Sorry State [Was: NLD10 and GNOME]

2006-02-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Anna Marie Dirks What a big jerkbird! So lazy! So community-tearing! Definitely the work of an evil, evil noncontributor. Anna, as I mentioned in another email, this frustration is about a broader problem we have in our community than the particular acts of contributing organisations

Re: Sorry State [Was: NLD10 and GNOME]

2006-02-08 Thread Jon K Hellan
On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 11:28 -0500, Havoc Pennington wrote: If you guys want a specific productive suggestion, I think these are two de facto directions that could just be adopted; one is a kind of building block platform shared among the GNOME desktop, Maemo, GPE, XFCE even [2]; it might

Re: Sorry State [Was: NLD10 and GNOME]

2006-02-08 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 21:54 +0100, Jon K Hellan wrote: However, if we decide to target a niche audience, on a niche operating system, that's niche squared. I doubt if that's sustainable. Didn't say niche, I said specific. The group can still be large. There are many, many well-defined subsets

Re: Sorry State [Was: NLD10 and GNOME]

2006-02-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Havoc Pennington On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 21:54 +0100, Jon K Hellan wrote: However, if we decide to target a niche audience, on a niche operating system, that's niche squared. I doubt if that's sustainable. Didn't say niche, I said specific. The group can still be large. There are

Re: Sorry State [Was: NLD10 and GNOME]

2006-02-07 Thread Evandro Fernandes Giovanini
Em Qua, 2006-02-08 às 12:16 +1100, Jeff Waugh escreveu: quote who=Dan Winship Two words: bike shed[1]. Or actually, stop energy[2] works too. Your pick. This is a very sorry state of affairs for GNOME. But it is not only Novell and its employees who have adopted this commons-sapping,