Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-06 Thread Graham Leggett
On 03 Jun 2011, at 5:19 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: And I am confused with one thing. apr_crypto called out issues which cause apr_dbd arg lists to be reevaluated. However, that is not the complaint with apr_ldap, but I think you might be conflating them? If the arg lists to

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-06 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/6/2011 5:30 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: Given that apr_crypto is in the soon-to-see-light-of-day apr-util v1.4, and we don't want to have APIs change unnecessarily, apr_crypto needs to be perfected first. That's some backports and some polishing away. Well, exactly. apr_crypto must be

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-06 Thread Bojan Smojver
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 17:53 -0500, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: I am still waiting for your answer to who the other consumers are of apr_ldap. I guess this will be hard to say. Do we track everyone that uses APR APIs? Or did you mean just the open source projects out there? -- Bojan

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-03 Thread Ruediger Pluem
On 06/03/2011 05:19 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/2/2011 5:51 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: On 02 Jun 2011, at 4:19 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: And I am confused with one thing. apr_crypto called out issues which cause apr_dbd arg lists to be reevaluated. However, that is not the

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-02 Thread Graham Leggett
On 02 Jun 2011, at 1:19 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/1/2011 5:37 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: I see a vote, and no on-list discussion that preceded it. Not only that, I see a vote on the dev@apr list proposing an as yet unheard of solution that concerns a completely separate project,

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-02 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Graham Leggett minf...@sharp.fm wrote: On 02 Jun 2011, at 1:19 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/1/2011 5:37 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: I see a vote, and no on-list discussion that preceded it. Not only that, I see a vote on the dev@apr list proposing an as

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-02 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Graham Leggett minf...@sharp.fm wrote: On 02 Jun 2011, at 1:19 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/1/2011 5:37 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: I see a vote, and no on-list discussion that

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-02 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/2/2011 6:10 AM, Graham Leggett wrote: On 02 Jun 2011, at 1:19 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: Justin had brought this to the list from a f2f hackathon for a decision as this blocked 2.0 in 2009(!). So, during the conversations we've had here in Amsterdam regarding combining APR and

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-02 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/2/2011 9:09 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: What is the set of APR users which depend on the moderate help provided by apr-util 1.x for dealing with multiple LDAP toolkit? I don't know. I doubt that many users are impacted, and the moderate level of assistance provided by apr-util wasn't the

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-02 Thread Graham Leggett
On 02 Jun 2011, at 4:09 PM, Jeff Trawick wrote: What are the critical facts? LDAP support in APR 2.0: * there was [almost] no support for preserving the status quo; those that spoke up wanted either to make it a full API or drop it ** more wanted to drop it ** Graham offered to do the work to

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-02 Thread Graham Leggett
On 02 Jun 2011, at 4:19 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: Graham, I am not, I repeat, not discussing your *contribution* to the ASF. I respect the many, many things you have added, and aspects you improved, and bugs you have fixed, which includes your patches to ldap. I have asked repeatedly

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-02 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/2/2011 5:51 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: On 02 Jun 2011, at 4:19 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: Graham, I am not, I repeat, not discussing your *contribution* to the ASF. I respect the many, many things you have added, and aspects you improved, and bugs you have fixed, which includes your

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-01 Thread Graham Leggett
On 31 May 2011, at 8:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: Of course it has been discussed, discussed, and discussed again, and experienced a complete failure to launch. Rowe, Trawick, Erenkrantz and Orton voted to drop apr_ldap and give it over to httpd to maintain if they want it 12 1/2 months

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-06-01 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/1/2011 5:37 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: I see a vote, and no on-list discussion that preceded it. Not only that, I see a vote on the dev@apr list proposing an as yet unheard of solution that concerns a completely separate project, with no discussion having happened on either project.

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-05-31 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 5/30/2011 2:48 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: On 29 May 2011, at 4:59 PM, wr...@apache.org wrote: URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1128885view=rev Log: Begin refactoring to prepare for ldap removal Would it be possible to make an apr-ldap-legacy branch before you do this? It would

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-05-31 Thread Graham Leggett
On 31 May 2011, at 4:34 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: There are no plans for it because there are not three maintainers. I am sweeping it to httpd trunk (with ap_ldap prefixes) almost entirely intact, where there are some mod_authnz_ldap committers/fans. Can you point out for me the

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-05-31 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 5/31/2011 1:13 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: We have already agreed that any LDAP abstraction library needs to encapsulate the whole API like apr_dbd does, and that each LDAP implementation needs to be a discrete provider, just like apr_dbd does. And now you're telling us that no proposal

Re: svn commit: r1128885 - in /apr/apr/trunk: build/apu-conf.m4 build/apu-ldap.m4 configure.in

2011-05-30 Thread Graham Leggett
On 29 May 2011, at 4:59 PM, wr...@apache.org wrote: URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1128885view=rev Log: Begin refactoring to prepare for ldap removal Would it be possible to make an apr-ldap-legacy branch before you do this? It would suck for end users if a body of code should