Re: DataStax role in Cassandra and the ASF

2016-11-05 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Benedict Elliott Smith
<bened...@apache.org> wrote:
>  All I am demanding is that these "not public" actions be made
> "open" and public, inline with ASF ideals.

All of us on the Board feel very strongly about conversations happening in
public -- in harmony with ASF ideals, the will of the Members who elect us,
and the sentiments of the wider Apache community.

In fact, a staple of Board's oversight activities is to scan private lists
periodically looking for conversations that didn't need to be private and then
to remind the participants that such conversations need to be shunted onto
public lists.

However, there is a limited selection of topics which are appropriate for the
private lists: primarily those relating to open security issues, certain legal
concerns, and personnel. People who have access to those conversations
are expected to keep them in confidence.

The recent conversations which took place on private lists regarding the
Cassandra community are interwoven with passages which ought to stay private.
It would extraordinary and inappropriate to simply make them public.

Please bear in mind that there are actually several hundred people from a wide
variety of backgrounds who subscribe to the ostensibly "private"
board@apache list, so "private" is relative and the activities of the
ASF Board are in fact overwatched by many conscientious and unshrinking
participants.  Furthermore, although there are not as many subscribers to the
private@cassandra list, there are still hundreds of people with access to its
archives.

I am happy to state that a principle concern of mine as a Board member is
ensuring that our projects are governed by independent individuals and that no
one company exercises undue influence.  This is imperative because vendor
neutrality is fundamental to the ASF's value proposition, because it is a
legal requirement of our status as a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt charity, and because
it has proven incredibly successful over time at fostering vibrant
communities who produce great software.

The principle of project independence applies to all Apache projects and
requires ongoing effort by our PMCs.  The wider Cassandra community should
look to the Cassandra PMC as the entity primarily responsible for upholding
this crucial principle.

Marvin Humphrey


Re: A proposal to move away from Jira-centric development

2016-08-15 Thread Marvin Humphrey


On 2016-08-15 11:34 (-0700), Jason Brown <jasedbr...@gmail.com> wrote: 

> Can you give a few examples of other healthy Apache projects which you feel
> would be good example? Note: I'm not trying to bait the conversation, but
> am genuinely interested in what other successful projects do.

The Apache Calcite project, which has had issues@ broken out as a separate
list, chose to start sending notifications on JIRA issue *creation* (only!) to
the dev list last March.

Julian Hyde, who made the proposal, is active in the Apache Incubator and has
served as Mentor for several incubating projects, so he's dealt with this
issue several times.

https://s.apache.org/w9OM

I propose that when a JIRA is created, we send an email to both dev@ and
issues@. This will be an extra 40 emails per month on the dev list. I am
really cautious about increasing the number of messages on the dev list,
because I think high-volume lists discourage part-time contributors, but I
think this change is worthwhile. It will make people aware of
conversations that are happening and if it helps to channel conversations
onto JIRA cases it could possibly even REDUCE the volume on the dev list.

You may also be interested in the advice that new podlings receive when they
hit the Incubator:

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MailingListOptions

Marvin Humphrey