Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Ralph, Ralph Goers wrote at Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 03:18: [snip] Commons Logging's Log method has very few methods - 2 variations for each of the 6 log levels and then the is methods. By contrast, SLF4J supports many more variations of these, primarily because it supports Markers

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Ralph Goers wrote at Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 03:18: By contrast, SLF4J supports many more variations of these, primarily because it supports Markers (which I will refer to in a moment).  In addition, SLF4J supports a message syntax that in many cases eliminates the need to wrap all the

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Ralph Goers
On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: Yes and no, since it was never the goal of CL to add additional functionality, but to provide a facade for the lowest common set of functionality (and originally it was Log4J that prevented the addition of the trace level ;-). See, we

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Ralph Goers
On Apr 15, 2009, at 12:08 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Ralph Goers wrote at Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 03:18: By contrast, SLF4J supports many more variations of these, primarily because it supports Markers (which I will refer to in a moment). In addition, SLF4J supports a message syntax that

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: More and more of them are supporting SLF4J. Heck, even Apache projects are switching. IMO, that decision is fine, if the Apache project delivers, for example, a complete container like Tomcat. But a component should

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Jörg Schaible
Ralph Goers wrote at Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 09:20: On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: Yes and no, since it was never the goal of CL to add additional functionality, but to provide a facade for the lowest common set of functionality (and originally it was Log4J that

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Jörg Schaible
Jochen Wiedmann wrote at Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 09:32: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: More and more of them are supporting SLF4J. Heck, even Apache projects are switching. IMO, that decision is fine, if the Apache project delivers, for

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Torsten Curdt
I think Ceki's comment at the end is quite pertinent. But in the end, my reaction to that article is pretty much, I'd love to see a real world example of someone doing that. I doubt you'll find many. Some people argue that logging itself can be evil because logging too much almost hides

Re: [compress] Any more issues before release 1.0?

2009-04-15 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2009-04-14, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Open and unscheduled Issues are: * COMPRESS-62 Need many more test cases to check that can read real archives * COMPRESS-64 Are the public finish() methods ArchiveOutputStream implementations necessary and safe?

[Commons Wiki] Update of CompressRoadmap by ChristianGrobmeier

2009-04-15 Thread Apache Wiki
Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on Commons Wiki for change notification. The following page has been changed by ChristianGrobmeier: http://wiki.apache.org/commons/CompressRoadmap The comment on the change is: added issues for 1.0

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Ralph Goers
On Apr 15, 2009, at 1:01 AM, Jörg Schaible wrote: Jochen Wiedmann wrote at Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 09:32: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: More and more of them are supporting SLF4J. Heck, even Apache projects are switching. IMO, that

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Ralph Goers
On Apr 15, 2009, at 1:51 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote: I think Ceki's comment at the end is quite pertinent. But in the end, my reaction to that article is pretty much, I'd love to see a real world example of someone doing that. I doubt you'll find many. Some people argue that logging itself

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Ralph Goers
On Apr 15, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: On Apr 15, 2009, at 12:08 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Ralph Goers wrote at Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 03:18: By contrast, SLF4J supports many more variations of these, primarily because it supports Markers (which I will refer to in a moment).

[g...@vmgump]: Project commons-configuration-test (in module apache-commons) failed

2009-04-15 Thread Gump
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at gene...@gump.apache.org. Project commons-configuration-test has an issue affecting its community

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Torsten Curdt
Yes. AOP that actually works is the nirvana that folks who love to talk about logging dream about. Hm ...not sure what you are implying here ...but it felt quite real to me when we used it :) Anyway! - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

[COMPRESS] Changeset design

2009-04-15 Thread sebb
The Changeset design seems to me to be a bit assymetric at present. ADD changes are just added to the Set of changes; however if a DELETE is requested, then the existing set is scanned for matching additions and any such are deleted. I'm not sure that is very useful - why would an application

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Ralph Goers
On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:28 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote: Yes. AOP that actually works is the nirvana that folks who love to talk about logging dream about. Hm ...not sure what you are implying here ...but it felt quite real to me when we used it :) Anyway! My experience with AOP logging

Re: [COMPRESS] Changeset design

2009-04-15 Thread sebb
On 15/04/2009, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: If there is a usecase for add then delete, then it seems to me that there is likely to be a use case for delete then add. The current code only supports the former. Did you see ChangeSetTest.testDeletePlusAdd() ? Yes. Is

Re: [Configuration] experimental branch uses java.util.logging?

2009-04-15 Thread Torsten Curdt
My experience with AOP logging solutions is limited but from what I've seen it is possible to use AOP mechanisms to enable logging but I haven't seen any that allow you to enable and then disable logging as desired while the application is running. Well, that depends what is injected by the

Commons-VFS SVN commit permission

2009-04-15 Thread Sergey Vladimirov
Hi, I would like to ask for commons-vfs project SVN commit permission. Looking for 2.0 version to be released. At Apache I took part in FTPServer development before, also several patches were submitted to axis2, commons-dpcp, commons-jxpath projects. http://www.linkedin.com/in/vlsergey (nick on

Re: [DISCUSSION] The way for Chain2

2009-04-15 Thread Min Cha
Oh, I`m so sorry to pick up this issue impatiently. I thought that discussion was over but it wasn`t. Now, the discussion is still progressing at Incubator mailing. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Min Cha minslo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. Unfortunately, Commons Incubator proposal seems not

Re: Commons-VFS SVN commit permission

2009-04-15 Thread Ralph Goers
I see you still listed as a committer on FTPServer and you have an ICLA on file. I've been actively working trying to get a 2.0 release and would welcome the help. What specifically do you want to do? There a few challenging Jira issues that were found by findbugs and checkstyle still

Re: Commons-VFS SVN commit permission

2009-04-15 Thread Henri Yandell
I'm all for Sergey to have sandbox access and a branch in the sandbox to work on the FTP code there. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: I see you still listed as a committer on FTPServer and you have an ICLA on file. I've been actively working