Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-14 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Ben Reser b...@reser.org wrote: On 1/11/14, 5:02 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: I think a lot of your concerns revolve around assessment of when a vulnerability can be disclosed, and that has to be determined on a case by case basis. The vote is just about

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-14 Thread Ben Reser
On 1/14/14, 7:35 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: The simple answer to all of this is look how httpd releases with security fixes have been handled in the past. The RM commits the fixes just before Tag Roll and, depending on the impact of the vulnerabilities, may call for an abbreviated testing

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-14 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ben Reser b...@reser.org wrote: On 1/14/14, 7:35 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: The simple answer to all of this is look how httpd releases with security fixes have been handled in the past. The RM commits the fixes just before Tag Roll and, depending on the

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-13 Thread Joe Orton
[X] It is mandatory to provide best available description and any available tracking information when committing fixes for vulnerabilities to any branch, delaying committing of the fix if the information shouldn't be provided yet.

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-13 Thread Ben Reser
On 1/11/14, 5:02 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: I think a lot of your concerns revolve around assessment of when a vulnerability can be disclosed, and that has to be determined on a case by case basis. The vote is just about whether there will be an in-between situation where we share some

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-12 Thread Rainer Jung
On 11.01.2014 14:02, Jeff Trawick wrote: On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Ben Reser b...@reser.org mailto:b...@reser.org wrote: On 1/10/14, 5:38 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: [ ] It is an accepted practice (but not required) to obscure or omit the vulnerability impact in

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-12 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: Open source projects, ASF or otherwise, have varying procedures for commits of fixes to vulnerabilities. ... I plan to update http://httpd.apache.org/dev/guidelines.html based on the outcome of the vote. Folks, if you

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-12 Thread Eric Covener
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: Open source projects, ASF or otherwise, have varying procedures for commits of fixes to vulnerabilities. ... I plan to update

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-12 Thread Tim Bannister
On 12 Jan 2014, at 13:33, Jeff Trawick wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: Open source projects, ASF or otherwise, have varying procedures for commits of fixes to vulnerabilities. ... I plan to update http://httpd.apache.org/dev/guidelines.html

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-12 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Tim Bannister is...@jellybaby.net wrote: On 12 Jan 2014, at 13:33, Jeff Trawick wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: Open source projects, ASF or otherwise, have varying procedures for commits of fixes to

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-12 Thread Stefan Fritsch
Am Freitag, 10. Januar 2014, 08:38:51 schrieb Jeff Trawick: [X] It is mandatory to provide best available description and any available tracking information when committing fixes for vulnerabilities to any branch, delaying committing of the fix if the information shouldn't be provided yet.

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-11 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Ben Reser b...@reser.org wrote: On 1/10/14, 5:38 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: [ ] It is an accepted practice (but not required) to obscure or omit the vulnerability impact in CHANGES or commit log information when committing fixes for vulnerabilities to any

[VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-10 Thread Jeff Trawick
Open source projects, ASF or otherwise, have varying procedures for commits of fixes to vulnerabilities. One important aspect of these procedures is whether or not fixes to vulnerabilities can be committed to a repository with commit logs and possibly CHANGES entries which purposefully obscure

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-10 Thread Jeff Trawick
[X] It is mandatory to provide best available description and any available tracking information when committing fixes for vulnerabilities to any branch, delaying committing of the fix if the information shouldn't be provided yet. --/-- IMO it is not appropriate to let skilled attackers see a

AW: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-10 Thread Plüm , Rüdiger , Vodafone Group
Von: Jeff Trawick [mailto:traw...@gmail.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Januar 2014 14:39 An: Apache HTTP Server Development List Betreff: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities Open source projects, ASF or otherwise, have varying procedures for commits of

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: [X] It is mandatory to provide best available description and any available tracking information when committing fixes for vulnerabilities to any branch, delaying committing of the fix if the information shouldn't be

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-10 Thread Reindl Harald
+1 in some cases re-consider if a used option is really needed and disable it may close a vulnerability, the admin only needs to know that there is danger Am 10.01.2014 15:24, schrieb Jim Jagielski: +1 On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: [X] It is mandatory to

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-10 Thread Marion Christophe JAILLET
Le 10/01/2014 14:38, Jeff Trawick a écrit : [ ] It is an accepted practice (but not required) to obscure or omit the vulnerability impact in CHANGES or commit log information when committing fixes for vulnerabilities to any branch. [X] It is mandatory to provide best available description

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-10 Thread Noel Butler
On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 08:38 -0500, Jeff Trawick wrote: [ X] It is mandatory to provide best available description and any available tracking information when committing fixes for vulnerabilities to any branch, delaying committing of the fix if the information shouldn't be provided yet.

Re: [VOTE] obscuring (or not) commit logs/CHANGES for fixes to vulnerabilities

2014-01-10 Thread Ben Reser
On 1/10/14, 5:38 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: [ ] It is an accepted practice (but not required) to obscure or omit the vulnerability impact in CHANGES or commit log information when committing fixes for vulnerabilities to any branch. [ ] It is mandatory to provide best available description and