Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Sep 13, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: Regardless, I am +0 to revert, for none of the above reasons. I am not fond of the performance hit of checking for a browser version and setting an environment variable, just to support a standard that is not being

Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-13 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Eric Covener cove...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:51 AM, field...@apache.org wrote: Author: fielding Date: Sat Aug 11 07:51:52 2012 New Revision: 1371878 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1371878view=rev Log: Apache does not tolerate

Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-13 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 09/13/2012 03:27 PM, Jeff Trawick wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Eric Covener cove...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:51 AM, field...@apache.org wrote: Author: fielding Date: Sat Aug 11 07:51:52 2012 New Revision: 1371878 URL:

Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-13 Thread Ben Laurie
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Eric Covener cove...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:51 AM, field...@apache.org wrote: Author: fielding Date: Sat Aug 11 07:51:52 2012 New Revision: 1371878 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1371878view=rev Log: Apache does not tolerate

Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
I think we are all in agreement, however, that MS is violating the standard... are we not? With that as a given, do we Do Nothing? I don't think so; We shouldn't, by action or inaction, permit violations. Now, with that as a given, the question is How Do We Respond. At the very least, the commit

Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Sep 13, 2012 7:48 AM, Eric Covener cove...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:51 AM, field...@apache.org wrote: Author: fielding Date: Sat Aug 11 07:51:52 2012 New Revision: 1371878 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1371878view=rev Log: Apache does not tolerate

Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-13 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: I think we are all in agreement, however, that MS is violating the standard... are we not? With that as a given, do we Do Nothing? I don't think so; We shouldn't, by action or inaction, permit violations. Now, with that

Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-13 Thread Tim Bannister
On 13 Sep 2012, at 18:24, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it is a transparency issue so much as a poor choice of venues for airing the disagreement. We've put something in the .conf file that many administrators will need to remove and almost none will have a need to

Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Sep 13, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: I think we are all in agreement, however, that MS is violating the standard... are we not? With that as a given, do we Do Nothing? I don't think so;

Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-13 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Tim Bannister is...@jellybaby.net wrote: On 13 Sep 2012, at 18:24, Jeff Trawick traw...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it is a transparency issue so much as a poor choice of venues for airing the disagreement. We've put something in the .conf file that many

Re: DNT IE10 (was svn commit: r1371878 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/conf/httpd.conf.in)

2012-09-13 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Sep 13, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Eric Covener wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:51 AM, field...@apache.org wrote: Author: fielding Date: Sat Aug 11 07:51:52 2012 New Revision: 1371878 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1371878view=rev Log: Apache does not tolerate deliberate abuse of open