Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-21 Thread Ben Laurie
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Nick Edwards nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I posted this to users list last week but no-one bit, so I'm trying here. With md5crypt no longer recommended for use by its author, will Apache soon support sha256/sha512 in basic authentication via MySQL.

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-21 Thread Issac Goldstand
On 21/06/2012 12:40, Ben Laurie wrote: 4. Use something that is hard to optimise in hardware (ideally). And what about massive sites that need the crypto HW to manage the concurrent logins? Yes, you're making it harder on the hackers, but also potentially on our users. ...Or did I just put my

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-21 Thread Ben Laurie
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Issac Goldstand mar...@beamartyr.net wrote: On 21/06/2012 12:40, Ben Laurie wrote: 4. Use something that is hard to optimise in hardware (ideally). And what about massive sites that need the crypto HW to manage the concurrent logins? I have never come across

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-21 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 10:40 +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: 4. Use something that is hard to optimise in hardware (ideally). 5. Only hire web developers who know what they're doing, who know what security is, and how to audit their code :) If they cant get the database, then it wouldn't mater if

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-21 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 10:57 +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Issac Goldstand mar...@beamartyr.net wrote: On 21/06/2012 12:40, Ben Laurie wrote: 4. Use something that is hard to optimise in hardware (ideally). And what about massive sites that need the crypto HW

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-21 Thread André Malo
* Reindl Harald wrote: i only needed to point out that weakhash(weakhash(weakhash())) does not result in stronghash() no matter how often you wrap I'm not sure, why the topic drifted there anyway. md5crypt does not actually nest hashes like this. nd -- package

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-21 Thread Nick Edwards
Hi Stefan, On 6/21/12, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Nick Edwards wrote: I posted this to users list last week but no-one bit, so I'm trying here. With md5crypt no longer recommended for use by its author, will Apache soon support sha256/sha512 in basic

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-20 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Nick Edwards wrote: I posted this to users list last week but no-one bit, so I'm trying here. With md5crypt no longer recommended for use by its author, will Apache soon support sha256/sha512 in basic authentication via MySQL. Note that it does not really matter that much

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 22:52, schrieb Stefan Fritsch: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Nick Edwards wrote: I posted this to users list last week but no-one bit, so I'm trying here. With md5crypt no longer recommended for use by its author, will Apache soon support sha256/sha512 in basic authentication via

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 23:19, schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 20.06.2012 22:52, schrieb Stefan Fritsch: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Nick Edwards wrote: I posted this to users list last week but no-one bit, so I'm trying here. With md5crypt no longer recommended for use by its author, will Apache soon

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-20 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Wednesday 20 June 2012, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.06.2012 23:19, schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 20.06.2012 22:52, schrieb Stefan Fritsch: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Nick Edwards wrote: I posted this to users list last week but no-one bit, so I'm trying here. With md5crypt no longer

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 23:52, schrieb Stefan Fritsch: you do not need the original password! you only need a hash-collision and can leave out special chars completly to find one You need a password that gives the same value after 1000 rounds of md5(password md5(password md5(password ...))). This

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-20 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Wednesday 20 June 2012, Reindl Harald wrote: there is a reason why even the developer of md5crypt saw the need for a offical statement that md5crypt should never again be considered as secure in any case! http://phk.freebsd.dk/sagas/md5crypt_eol.html Follow the link in his statement:

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 21.06.2012 00:14, schrieb Stefan Fritsch: On Wednesday 20 June 2012, Reindl Harald wrote: there is a reason why even the developer of md5crypt saw the need for a offical statement that md5crypt should never again be considered as secure in any case!

Re: md5crypt passwords

2012-06-20 Thread Noel Butler
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 22:52 +0200, Stefan Fritsch wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Nick Edwards wrote: I posted this to users list last week but no-one bit, so I'm trying here. With md5crypt no longer recommended for use by its author, will Apache soon support sha256/sha512 in basic