Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Kraemer
On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 03:15:11PM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: In particular, I don't think our main page or download page is currently clear enough about the status of 1.3 development. I think we should say something like: The Apache HTTP Server version 1.3 is not recommended and is not

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: I don't see why we care, either way. Could you clarify what we aren't caring about, since your answer was a bit ambiguous? (Abandon or not, message our users or not, etc)

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:30 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: I don't see why we care, either way. Could you clarify what we aren't caring about, since your answer was a bit ambiguous? (Abandon or not, message our users or not, etc) Why do we need to announce anything?

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread Joshua Slive
On 10/3/07, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't care what the uptake graph says. I don't care what people outside this project mailing list think, period, about this project. And if five years from now there are three or more Apache committers that want to release 1.3.x, then no

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Joshua Slive wrote: On 10/3/07, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't care what the uptake graph says. I don't care what people outside this project mailing list think, period, about this project. And if five years from now there are three or more

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread Graham Leggett
Joshua Slive wrote: We have better things to do. Let's do those things and stop worrying about other people's perceptions. I agree, with a caveat. I think that we are doing a disservice to our users if we don't communicate to them the attitude of the people on this mailing list towards 1.3.

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread Paul Querna
Roy T. Fielding wrote: I don't see why we care, either way. I don't care if committers continue to maintain 1.3 longer than any statement we make. A public statement is about setting expectations of our users. We all know that 1.3 is dead as a doornail at this point, but many of our users do

How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-02 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Paul Querna wrote: Starting in January 2008, only critical security issues will be fixed in Apache HTTP Server versions 1.3.x or 2.0.x. Actually that statement is too narrow; What if we publish a manifesto such as this? Apache httpd 1.3 to be retired at it's 10th anniversary The Apache

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-02 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
very nice... do include the last paragraph :) On 10/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Querna wrote: Starting in January 2008, only critical security issues will be fixed in Apache HTTP Server versions 1.3.x or 2.0.x. Actually that statement is too narrow; What if

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-02 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I don't see why we care, either way. Roy

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-02 Thread Rich Bowen
Apart from the fact that you have it's several times when you mean its, +1 -- Rich Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED]