Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-10 Thread Michael Osipov
Am 2024-01-09 um 09:12 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: pt., 5 sty 2024 o 20:49 Slawomir Jaranowski napisał(a): pt., 5 sty 2024 o 16:17 Michael Osipov napisał(a): On 2024/01/05 14:03:11 Slawomir Jaranowski wrote: Hi, My summary for this discussion: No objection for change: Tamás

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-09 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
wt., 9 sty 2024 o 10:45 Tamás Cservenák napisał(a): > Howdy, > > I still think we need to modify few bits here and there: > - we MUST compile against latest maven (3.9.6 currently) > Step by step - it can be a next task > - this thread (as I see) is about "minimal prerequisite" for plugin (so

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-09 Thread Matthias Bünger
Hey all, I'm a new user of the list so I don't know later discussions. I would lift the minimal API version to the newest available one: Two reasons for this: - You / we want to cut some old tails with Maven 4. This should also be a good time to cut old tails for maven plugins, esp. as there

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-09 Thread Tamás Cservenák
Howdy, I still think we need to modify few bits here and there: - we MUST compile against latest maven (3.9.6 currently) - this thread (as I see) is about "minimal prerequisite" for plugin (so POM/prerequisite) - to address issues Slawek brought up, we need at least to modify this stanza in CI:

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-09 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
pt., 5 sty 2024 o 20:49 Slawomir Jaranowski napisał(a): > > > pt., 5 sty 2024 o 16:17 Michael Osipov napisał(a): > >> On 2024/01/05 14:03:11 Slawomir Jaranowski wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > My summary for this discussion: >> > >> > No objection for change: Tamás Cservenák, Anders Hammar, Olivier

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-05 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
pt., 5 sty 2024 o 16:17 Michael Osipov napisał(a): > On 2024/01/05 14:03:11 Slawomir Jaranowski wrote: > > Hi, > > > > My summary for this discussion: > > > > No objection for change: Tamás Cservenák, Anders Hammar, Olivier Lamy, > > Sylwester Lachiewicz, Jorge Solórzano, Gary Gregory, Hervé

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-05 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
I would like to kindly remember that this thread is not about the JDK version, if we need such discussion we should start a new thread. pt., 5 sty 2024 o 18:22 Karl Heinz Marbaise napisał(a): > On 05.01.24 17:02, Michael Osipov wrote: > > On 2024/01/05 15:52:54 Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote: > >>

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-05 Thread Karl Heinz Marbaise
On 05.01.24 17:02, Michael Osipov wrote: On 2024/01/05 15:52:54 Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote: ... On 05.01.24 16:19, Michael Osipov wrote: On 2024/01/05 14:37:44 Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote: +1 Also the point JDK11 (maybe even higher JDK17?) for Maven 4.0.0 as minimum runtime requirement.. This

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-05 Thread Michael Osipov
On 2024/01/05 15:52:54 Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote: > ... > On 05.01.24 16:19, Michael Osipov wrote: > > On 2024/01/05 14:37:44 Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote: > >> +1 Also the point JDK11 (maybe even higher JDK17?) for Maven 4.0.0 as > >> minimum runtime requirement.. > > > > This reminds me of

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-05 Thread Karl Heinz Marbaise
... On 05.01.24 16:19, Michael Osipov wrote: On 2024/01/05 14:37:44 Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote: +1 Also the point JDK11 (maybe even higher JDK17?) for Maven 4.0.0 as minimum runtime requirement.. This reminds me of https://github.com/openssl/openssl/issues/10902 and it provides very good

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-05 Thread Michael Osipov
On 2024/01/05 14:37:44 Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote: > +1 Also the point JDK11 (maybe even higher JDK17?) for Maven 4.0.0 as > minimum runtime requirement.. This reminds me of https://github.com/openssl/openssl/issues/10902 and it provides very good reasons why not to do it. Maven is a low level

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-05 Thread Michael Osipov
On 2024/01/05 14:03:11 Slawomir Jaranowski wrote: > Hi, > > My summary for this discussion: > > No objection for change: Tamás Cservenák, Anders Hammar, Olivier Lamy, > Sylwester Lachiewicz, Jorge Solórzano, Gary Gregory, Hervé Boutemy > > Michael Osipov - had a questions but I assume that is

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-05 Thread Karl Heinz Marbaise
Hi, I'm the same opinion to upgrade to the most recent Maven 3.X version.. for the plugins... +1 (but I'm ok also to use Maven 3.6.3 as minimum).. +1 Also the point JDK11 (maybe even higher JDK17?) for Maven 4.0.0 as minimum runtime requirement.. Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise On 31.12.23

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-05 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
Hi, My summary for this discussion: No objection for change: Tamás Cservenák, Anders Hammar, Olivier Lamy, Sylwester Lachiewicz, Jorge Solórzano, Gary Gregory, Hervé Boutemy Michael Osipov - had a questions but I assume that is no -1 from him So: I would like to not categorize cora and not

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2024-01-04 Thread Hervé Boutemy
for the records, "Maven Plugins Compatibility Plan" strategy is stored in https://maven.apache.org/developers/compatibility-plan.html = the doc to refer to and update if necessary after the current discussion Le vendredi 29 décembre 2023, 14:42:17 CET Slawomir Jaranowski a écrit : > Hi, > >

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Tamás Cservenák
+1 to Jorge. As I understand it, this is the "minimal version supported" (prerequisite) we talk about here. But imo 3.x plugins should compile against lastest 3.x Maven. T On Sun, Dec 31, 2023, 00:35 Jorge Solórzano wrote: > I know that a build tool is different from a framework, but we are

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Jorge Solórzano
I know that a build tool is different from a framework, but we are again missing the point here, is not about framework vs build tools, the point is that newer projects already require new Java versions, and if legacy projects require using an old Java version, then those projects will still be

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Michael Osipov
Am 2023-12-30 um 16:43 schrieb Jorge Solórzano: I'm a bit confused here, why would anyone update Maven plugins in a project and NOT update Maven Core? Older versions of Maven are EOL, is expected that Maven Core is backward-compatible on minor releases so updating Maven Core should be

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Gary Gregory
FWIW, at work, we just went from Java 8 to 17, and we are a pretty conservative organization. Gary On Sat, Dec 30, 2023, 10:44 AM Jorge Solórzano wrote: > I'm a bit confused here, why would anyone update Maven plugins in a project > and NOT update Maven Core? Older versions of Maven are EOL,

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Jorge Solórzano
I'm a bit confused here, why would anyone update Maven plugins in a project and NOT update Maven Core? Older versions of Maven are EOL, is expected that Maven Core is backward-compatible on minor releases so updating Maven Core should be straightforward. I might be missing something but I don't

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Michael Osipov
Am 2023-12-30 um 11:42 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: sob., 30 gru 2023 o 10:43 Michael Osipov napisał(a): Am 2023-12-30 um 09:24 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: pt., 29 gru 2023 o 18:40 Michael Osipov napisał(a): Am 2023-12-29 um 14:42 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: Hi, Last year we mark

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Sylwester Lachiewicz
+1 Sylwester sob., 30 gru 2023 o 11:43 Slawomir Jaranowski napisał(a): > sob., 30 gru 2023 o 10:43 Michael Osipov napisał(a): > > > Am 2023-12-30 um 09:24 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: > > > pt., 29 gru 2023 o 18:40 Michael Osipov > > napisał(a): > > > > > >> Am 2023-12-29 um 14:42 schrieb

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
sob., 30 gru 2023 o 10:43 Michael Osipov napisał(a): > Am 2023-12-30 um 09:24 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: > > pt., 29 gru 2023 o 18:40 Michael Osipov > napisał(a): > > > >> Am 2023-12-29 um 14:42 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Last year we mark all Maven versions 3.6.x and

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Michael Osipov
Am 2023-12-30 um 09:24 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: pt., 29 gru 2023 o 18:40 Michael Osipov napisał(a): Am 2023-12-29 um 14:42 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: Hi, Last year we mark all Maven versions 3.6.x and older as EOL [1] But we still try to support minimal API version for Core Maven

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Olivier Lamy
On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 18:24, Slawomir Jaranowski wrote: > > pt., 29 gru 2023 o 18:40 Michael Osipov napisał(a): > > > Am 2023-12-29 um 14:42 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Last year we mark all Maven versions 3.6.x and older as EOL [1] > > > > > > But we still try to support

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-30 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
pt., 29 gru 2023 o 18:40 Michael Osipov napisał(a): > Am 2023-12-29 um 14:42 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: > > Hi, > > > > Last year we mark all Maven versions 3.6.x and older as EOL [1] > > > > But we still try to support minimal API version for Core Maven Plugins as > > 3.2.5 > > > > I would

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-29 Thread Michael Osipov
Am 2023-12-29 um 14:42 schrieb Slawomir Jaranowski: Hi, Last year we mark all Maven versions 3.6.x and older as EOL [1] But we still try to support minimal API version for Core Maven Plugins as 3.2.5 I would like to propose to sich it for at least to 3.6.3 Reasonable reasons: (for me) -

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-29 Thread Anders Hammar
+1 /Anders On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 2:43 PM Slawomir Jaranowski wrote: > Hi, > > Last year we mark all Maven versions 3.6.x and older as EOL [1] > > But we still try to support minimal API version for Core Maven Plugins as > 3.2.5 > > I would like to propose to sich it for at least to 3.6.3 >

Re: New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-29 Thread Tamás Cservenák
+1 and Happy New Year to everyone :) T On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 2:42 PM Slawomir Jaranowski wrote: > Hi, > > Last year we mark all Maven versions 3.6.x and older as EOL [1] > > But we still try to support minimal API version for Core Maven Plugins as > 3.2.5 > > I would like to propose to sich

New year - new challenge - required Maven 3.6.3 as minimal for core Maven Plugins

2023-12-29 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
Hi, Last year we mark all Maven versions 3.6.x and older as EOL [1] But we still try to support minimal API version for Core Maven Plugins as 3.2.5 I would like to propose to sich it for at least to 3.6.3 Reasonable reasons: (for me) - for standard CI build we use Maven 3.6.3 and newer -