RE: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-06 Thread Jesse Alexander \(KBSA 21\)
PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:18 PM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar Ed, I understand that you needed a short-term workaround, and I'm overjoyed to hear you confirm to others that it's

RE: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-06 Thread Jesse Alexander \(KBSA 21\)
, December 06, 2005 1:58 AM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar Adam Winer wrote: Yes, the desire for a real solution and the permanence of anything that does get into the spec was the reason why we deep-sixed any hacky

Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Bruno Aranda
Hi *, I've just talked with Ed Burns in IRC and he has told me that he has implemented the ordering of the loading of the config files [1]. He has attached the implementation there for ideas. I am not sure, but this is one of the JSF1.2 things that we could implement without having to do major

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Martin Marinschek
Yes, no one was. It's a workaround, but it's awkward at least. Still, it's better than nothing, and if it is in the Spec like this, we'll need to implement it. regards, Martin On 12/5/05, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -1 for doing it this way. We've already heard from Ed and

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Mike Kienenberger
I think the point is that it's not yet in the spec like this -- it's just how the RI is currently implemented -- and now's the time to insure it doesn't go into the spec :) Implementing it this way in MyFaces is a step in the wrong direction for getting the behavior changed :) On 12/5/05, Martin

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Ed Burns
--- Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, no one was. It's a workaround, but it's awkward at least. Still, it's better than nothing, and if it is in the Spec like this, we'll need to implement it. To be clear, this isn't in the spec. The resolution of this issue in the JSF

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Ed Burns
At the time of the original discussion, we proposed better ways of handling this which should be archived in the mailing list. (I think Martin and Craig were also involved at the time, and we hammered out a reasonable dependency-handling approach). I'm not really sure why Ed went

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Mike Kienenberger
Ed, I understand that you needed a short-term workaround, and I'm overjoyed to hear you confirm to others that it's not in the spec this way. I still think our time (the Myfaces committers' time) would be better spent creating a full solution rather than implementing the workaround. The

RE: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Jesse Alexander \(KBSA 21\)
Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:18 PM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar Ed, I understand that you needed a short-term workaround, and I'm overjoyed to hear you confirm to others

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Martin Marinschek
, December 05, 2005 9:18 PM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar Ed, I understand that you needed a short-term workaround, and I'm overjoyed to hear you confirm to others that it's not in the spec this way. I still

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Simon Kitching
: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:18 PM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar Ed, I understand that you needed a short-term workaround, and I'm overjoyed to hear you

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Martin Marinschek
:18 PM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar Ed, I understand that you needed a short-term workaround, and I'm overjoyed to hear you confirm to others that it's not in the spec this way. I still think

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Adam Winer
Yes, the desire for a real solution and the permanence of anything that does get into the spec was the reason why we deep-sixed any hacky fix. A lot of times - in the world of long-living specs - doing nothing is by far the best solution. I do think that Ed has a point that MyFaces would do well

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Martin Marinschek
Sounds good to me! especially a solution where we don't need a new type of configuration file would be great ;) regards, Martin On 12/6/05, Adam Winer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the desire for a real solution and the permanence of anything that does get into the spec was the reason why we

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Simon Kitching
Adam Winer wrote: Yes, the desire for a real solution and the permanence of anything that does get into the spec was the reason why we deep-sixed any hacky fix. A lot of times - in the world of long-living specs - doing nothing is by far the best solution. I do think that Ed has a point that

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Simon Kitching
Mike Kienenberger wrote: In the jar's MANIFEST.MF file, create two new attributes, similar to the standard jar Class-Path: attribute. These as-of-yet-unnamed attributes would represent the two relationships above. For those jars that don't specify a dependency order, JSF would fall back to

Re: Require ordering of for loading META-INF/faces-config.xml files from component jar

2005-12-05 Thread Adam Winer
Mike, For reference sake, do you have a use case for: * If component library BAR is used in this app, make sure that I am initialized before it is The converse is obvious and common, but I don't have anything at my fingertips for this one; it certainly doesn't surprise me that this would