Re: Result: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-12 Thread Nicolas Malin
Le 12/05/2015 03:19, Hans Bakker a écrit : Nicolas -0.9 :) I voted -0 Hans not -0.9 it's not the same ;)

Re: Result: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-12 Thread Jacques Le Roux
I guess it's a matter of feeling, I did not even vote and got a -0.9 :) Jacques Le 12/05/2015 08:59, Nicolas Malin a écrit : Le 12/05/2015 03:19, Hans Bakker a écrit : Nicolas -0.9 :) I voted -0 Hans not -0.9 it's not the same ;)

Re: Result: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-12 Thread Michael Brohl
Thanks Hans for taking the effort, but... - I see a Nicolas 3 times? I know of Julien Nicolas and Nicolas Mailin... - Martin Becker's vote is missing (ok, he introduced a new value, maybe it does not count) The last votes were a little bit confusing and are at least hard to follow. Maybe we

Re: Result: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-12 Thread Hans Bakker
That was a translation of your feeling :-) On 12/05/15 14:51, Jacques Le Roux wrote: I guess it's a matter of feeling, I did not even vote and got a -0.9 :) Jacques Le 12/05/2015 08:59, Nicolas Malin a écrit : Le 12/05/2015 03:19, Hans Bakker a écrit : Nicolas -0.9 :) I voted -0 Hans not

Re: Result: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-12 Thread Hans Bakker
Good suggestions, Michael On 12/05/15 15:06, Michael Brohl wrote: Thanks Hans for taking the effort, but... - I see a Nicolas 3 times? I know of Julien Nicolas and Nicolas Mailin... - Martin Becker's vote is missing (ok, he introduced a new value, maybe it does not count) The last votes

Result: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-11 Thread Hans Bakker
Thank you for the interst and 126 messages on this subject. Looks like we do not want to go with the technological developments yet. Thank you all for your time. The result of the vote if we should move to git: Binding: Jacques -0.9 Nicolas -0.9 Jacopo -1 Adam +0 Scott +0 Nicolas +0 Non

Re: Result: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-11 Thread Christian Carlow
Are git patches acceptable or should they be provided as svn instead? Command line supports git to svn formatting but I haven't found a way to do so in eclipse yet. If git isn't an acceptable format I'll make an effort to convert all the patches I've provided for the past couple of weeks. On

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Hans Bakker
the workflow can be simple as is described in: http://www.apache.org/dev/git.html we could use this as the MVP (minimum viable product) so mimic basically how people use SVN and then slowly take advantage of the possibilities of GIT. Regards, Hans On 06/05/15 13:35, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On May 6, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Hans Bakker h.bak...@antwebsystems.com wrote: It is no use, setting up an implementation plan when there is still a possibility people will reject it. Ok, if this was your goal then it seems you got your answer: most people are inclined to Git (or will not object

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Hans Bakker
Then you better change your vote? At it is now, we cannot even create an implementation proposal. Hans On 06/05/15 13:22, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On May 6, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Hans Bakker h.bak...@antwebsystems.com wrote: It is no use, setting up an implementation plan when there is still a

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On May 6, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com wrote: When attached to a jira issue, then after approval (or no objection) merging the patch into the master branch by a committer so difficult? Did you read the document that you are asking us to refer to as your

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On May 6, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com wrote: the workflow can be simple as is described in: http://www.apache.org/dev/git.html we could use this as the MVP (minimum viable product) so mimic basically how people use SVN and then slowly take advantage of the

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Hans Bakker
When attached to a jira issue, then after approval (or no objection) merging the patch into the master branch by a committer so difficult? I am sorry, i do not see a problem here Regards, Hans On 06/05/15 13:53, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On May 6, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Hans Bakker

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On May 6, 2015, at 8:43 AM, Taher Alkhateeb slidingfilame...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jacopo, I am a bit of a noob on ASF policies. Is it possible to guide us on resources to read to be able to draft any kind of proposal? Hi Taher, please read my previous messages on this subject because they

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Hans Bakker
Ok let first wait for the vote result seeing your comment at the -1 . However then still we need a vote again after the proposal... if you make it a -0.9 then when the proposal is agreed, no need for a vote. for people who would like to help, there are plenty of GIT workflow proposals in

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Hans Bakker
After creating a proper plan sure, now formally you have blocked progress with your veto. Hans On 06/05/15 14:16, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On May 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com wrote: However then still we need a vote again after the proposal... if you make

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
My vote is clearly stated: propose a Git workflow that is inline with the ASF policies and that is good for the OFBiz project and I will vote positively. Jacopo On May 6, 2015, at 8:29 AM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com wrote: Then you better change your vote? At it is now, we

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Pierre Smits
Consensus is always needed. Best regards, Pierre Op woensdag 6 mei 2015 heeft Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com het volgende geschreven: Ok let first wait for the vote result seeing your comment at the -1 . However then still we need a vote again after the proposal... if you make

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On May 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com wrote: However then still we need a vote again after the proposal... if you make it a -0.9 then when the proposal is agreed, no need for a vote. are you really considering the idea of doing such an important change for the

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On May 6, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com wrote: After creating a proper plan sure, now formally you have blocked progress with your veto. The veto is only on commit changes, this vote is not for a commit change so my -1 doesn't count as a veto. Jacopo

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
Hi Jacopo, I am a bit of a noob on ASF policies. Is it possible to guide us on resources to read to be able to draft any kind of proposal? Can you also define what is an implementation plan? Is it like a document, a migration process, a commit workflow, infrastructure or what exactly? Taher

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-06 Thread Christian Geisert
C'mon Hans The vote was about should we convert the master SVN repository of Apache OFBIz to a GIT version? Nobody stops you from creating a proper plan. Christian Am 06.05.2015 09:54, schrieb Hans Bakker: After creating a proper plan sure, now formally you have blocked progress with your

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
-1 not because I don't like Git or because I don't think it wouldn't be a good fit for OFBiz; the reason for my negative vote is that in the vote there is no mention to the workflow the project will adopt; at the ASF there are some limitations due to Infrastructure and/or license/legal reasons

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Adrian Crum
+0 Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 5/4/2015 8:01 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: As the discussions seem to end, can i propose a vote? The question : should we convert the master SVN repository of Apache OFBIz to a GIT version? The possible answers are according the apache

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Hans Bakker
Jacopo, This vote was about IF we choose to go to Git, if the answer is yes, sure then we need an implementation plan. It is no use, setting up an implementation plan when there is still a possibility people will reject it. Regards, Hans PS. We really have to change the way we work here,

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Adam Heath
That's my point as well. These most recent votes have not had concrete actions attached to them. Without a concrete plan, any kind of +# vote is not definitive; a +1 could mean anything in these cases. I chose +0 instead of -0 or -1, as I do believe git is the right approach, but we need

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Julien NICOLAS
+0.9 Julien. Le 05/05/2015 05:01, Hans Bakker a écrit : As the discussions seem to end, can i propose a vote? The question : should we convert the master SVN repository of Apache OFBIz to a GIT version? The possible answers are according the apache voting guidelines at:

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Nicolas Malin
-0 (maybe it's the same that +0 ;) ), I vote +0 when I will use git, but currently the fthe fear of change :). Le 05/05/2015 05:01, Hans Bakker a écrit : As the discussions seem to end, can i propose a vote? The question : should we convert the master SVN repository of Apache OFBIz to a GIT

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Gil portenseigne
+0 On 05/05/2015 05:01, Hans Bakker wrote: As the discussions seem to end, can i propose a vote? The question : should we convert the master SVN repository of Apache OFBIz to a GIT version? The possible answers are according the apache voting guidelines at:

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Christian Geisert
Am 05.05.2015 05:01, schrieb Hans Bakker: As the discussions seem to end, can i propose a vote? +0 I personally prefer git anytime over svn, but it seems a few people are not comfortable with git (yet). I'm using it already with ofbiz locally (no commit via git yet but will try it soon)

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Michael Brohl
+0 Git is a great tool once you understand the mechanisms and get used to it. But I also think that it might be too early to make it the main source control for the project. It takes extra effort for some and the committers have to handle pull requests and such. With the other bigger sub

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Martin Becker
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Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-05 Thread Martin Becker
Full ack for Adams remarks. There should be a +0.5 like „I like this idea, but the realization has to be well planned for a point in the future where the all over organization fits the needs for a different contribution process ;-) So, +0.5 from me. Martin Becker ecomify GmbH www.ecomify.de

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-04 Thread Scott Gray
+0 I like git and use it primarily but I'm not sure that adoption of git at the ASF has reached the point where I'm prepared to force it onto the unwilling. On 5 May 2015 15:01, Hans Bakker h.bak...@antwebsystems.com wrote: As the discussions seem to end, can i propose a vote? The question :

Vote: move to git.

2015-05-04 Thread Hans Bakker
As the discussions seem to end, can i propose a vote? The question : should we convert the master SVN repository of Apache OFBIz to a GIT version? The possible answers are according the apache voting guidelines at: https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html * +1: 'Yes lets do it' *

Re: Vote: move to git.

2015-05-04 Thread Adam Heath
This may be the nail in the coffin, at least for now, but +0, needs more discussion/planning. I've been using git-svn for longer than most with ofbiz, and would really love it if we were already using git, but it's just too soon. Just because git is decentralized, doesn't mean that there is