Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Inasmuch as the underlying concepts are identical (more or less), I don't like the idea that we can use different key name or values to represent those concepts. Thing is, the underlying concepts will very often be more or less identical but never really. At

Re: [OSM-dev] potlach has wrong preset

2009-10-01 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:25:29 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, I have noticed that Potlach assigns wrong tags for dirt dirt track. When you select dirt track potlach adds highway=track and surface=dirt tags. That wouldn't be an issue if the icon beside it wouldn't be man walking. There

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/10/1 SteveC st...@asklater.com I think it is an interesting idea. It would make some people happy about tag proliferation and gradually it has the possibility of fixing things up. The debate on orchard, plantage, farmland could be partially be solved by this mechanism, while allowing

Re: [OSM-dev] potlach has wrong preset

2009-10-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
valentt wrote: Hi, I have noticed that Potlach assigns wrong tags for dirt dirt track. When you select dirt track potlach adds highway=track and surface=dirt tags. That wouldn't be an issue if the icon beside it wouldn't be man walking. There should be a car icon instead of man walking

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:25 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I want to revive a very old idea - tag equivalences. It might be solving a problem that doesn't exist or someone might have done it and I've missed it. Closest I got was the osmosis tagtransform plugin [1]. I made that because

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:25 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I want to revive a very old idea - tag equivalences. It might be solving a problem that doesn't exist or someone might have done it and I've missed it. We have already, it's been made and engineered and everything. Don't mistake

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
SteveC wrote: I want to revive a very old idea - tag equivalences. It might be solving a problem that doesn't exist or someone might have done it and I've missed it. Wow, lots of issues here. And since I'm not a socialist moral relativist ...I am, almost, then I get a head-start on this

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave Stubbs wrote: One of the big questions is whether all of this would make life easier or harder for the renderers -- it would definitely raise the tech start bar. Standard libraries ftw. People's unwillingness to do any form of pre-processing on an increasingly varied OSM dataset never

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Dave Stubbs wrote: One of the big questions is whether all of this would make life easier or harder for the renderers -- it would definitely raise the tech start bar. Standard libraries ftw. People's

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread Matt Amos
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: Andy Allan wrote: We have already, it's been made and engineered and everything. Don't mistake endless unproductive waffle on the mailing lists as evidence that a problem hasn't been solved - it's just

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: On 01/10/2009 03:25, SteveC wrote: I want to revive a very old idea - tag equivalences. I would like to go further than Steve proposes, but I understand it is a hard sell to the anarchist wing of OSM while being welcome to the conformist wing.

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread David Earl
On 01/10/2009 12:54, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/1 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: On 01/10/2009 03:25, SteveC wrote: I want to revive a very old idea - tag equivalences. I would like to go further than Steve proposes, but I understand it is a hard sell to the anarchist wing of OSM

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: Keeping multiple, probably different, descriptions and translations across all the programs that use OSM is the thing that seems crazy to me. Sorry, misunderstood what you were suggesting, I agree 100% I've done something similar in the past

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Jueves, 1 de Octubre de 2009, SteveC escribió: Thoughts? Likenesses -1; implications +1. e.g.: highway=autobahn implies highway=motorway highway=motorway implies oneway=yes highway=motorway implies highway=road Basically it's just the same idea, but by using the word imply, it suddenly

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk: That argument is bogus. It's much easier to do the translations on a couple of servers rather than make the 100,000's editors more complicated so that they use more laptop battery and make all the mappers have to go home early. Well JOSM is

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:33 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/1 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk: That argument is bogus. It's much easier to do the translations on a couple of servers rather than make the 100,000's editors more complicated so that they use more

Re: [OSM-dev] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki

2009-10-01 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: I've now fixed Potlatch up so that it can be Translated on Translatewiki. Now it just needs to be imported into Translatewiki. I've put up a notice on the OSM wiki so that confused Translators won't use it in

Re: [OSM-dev] potlach has wrong preset

2009-10-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/1 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: valentt wrote: Hi, I have noticed that Potlach assigns wrong tags for dirt dirt track. When you select dirt track potlach adds highway=track and surface=dirt tags. That wouldn't be an issue if the icon beside it wouldn't be man walking.

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:33 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/1 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk: That argument is bogus. It's much easier to do the translations on a couple of servers rather than make the 100,000's

[OSM-dev] Open sou...@dtu

2009-10-01 Thread nipun batra
We are a group of students from Delhi Technological University and Head,Open Source Society in the college .We wish to work on OSM as a project with an active participation.Please may you guide us for the same. Regards, Nipun Batra Open Source Society Delhi Technological University India

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 06:20, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 01/10/2009 03:25, SteveC wrote: I want to revive a very old idea - tag equivalences. I would like to go further than Steve proposes, but I understand it is a hard sell to the anarchist wing of OSM while being

Re: [OSM-dev] likenesses

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 David Lynch djly...@gmail.com: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 06:20, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 01/10/2009 03:25, SteveC wrote: I want to revive a very old idea - tag equivalences. I would like to go further than Steve proposes, but I understand it is a hard sell to

Re: [OSM-dev] Open sou...@dtu

2009-10-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hi there, Well do you mean as coders or as editors? First you should start by reviewing the maps of the places you know. Look up your home town and check if it is ok. If you see something missing, use the editor or josm.openstreetmap.de for fixing it. mike

Re: [OSM-dev] potlach has wrong preset

2009-10-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Sent: 01 October 2009 2:11 PM To: Richard Fairhurst Cc: dev@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] potlach has wrong preset 2009/10/1 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: valentt wrote: Hi, I have noticed that Potlach assigns wrong tags for dirt dirt track.

[OSM-dev] Gosmore not Public Domain anymore?

2009-10-01 Thread Christian Müller
Hi there, in applications/rendering/gosmore http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/rendering/gosmore?rev=17737 [17734:17737] http://trac.openstreetmap.org/log/applications/rendering/gosmore?rev=17737stop_rev=17734 the public domain disclaimer, which used to be the first line in

[OSM-dev] Gosmore patch to rebuild pak

2009-10-01 Thread Christian Müller
Hi, gosmore fails to rebuild a pak file since the introduction of FWRITE macro definition. Reason: fwrite(buf, elemsize, numelems, pak) returns the number of elems written. fwrite (idx, fsize, 1, pak) will fail, if there is an empty file, in this case fsize is 0. fwrite is told to write 1

Re: [OSM-dev] Gosmore patch to rebuild pak

2009-10-01 Thread Tom Hughes
On 01/10/09 20:34, Christian Müller wrote: gosmore fails to rebuild a pak file since the introduction of FWRITE macro definition. Reason: Can you not send these messages to the developer of gosmore rather than spamming the dev list with them? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)

[OSM-dev] Quantifying

2009-10-01 Thread Jeffrey Warren
Hi all - I tried to do a rough analysis (for an article I'm writing) of the composition of an API response by character count. If anyone knows more about this or has opinions or ideas for better (but lightweight) means of quantifying this, i'd love to hear them. I’ve been wondering how much of

Re: [OSM-dev] Gosmore patch to rebuild pak

2009-10-01 Thread Lambertus
Can you not reply with strong words like 'spamming' on messages like these? It sounds so much nicer to point good intending people to the Trac website [1] and have them create tickets and attach the patches there... [1] http://trac.openstreetmap.org (choose component 'gosmore' when submitting

Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-10-01 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:49:43 +0200, Tobias Wendorff wrote: A token gets gets generated on the database server (or transmitted to it) and it gets transmitted to the user via HTTPS. The token will encode the password on the user's side and transmit it in plaintext to the server. The server

Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-10-01 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:18:17 +0200, Stefan Baebler wrote: There are open tickets about ssl and encrypting passwords: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/275 http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/106 I see these are 4 years old tickets :( How far is it from realization so that we start using

Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-10-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Valent Turkovic wrote: A token gets gets generated on the database server (or transmitted to it) and it gets transmitted to the user via HTTPS. The token will encode the password on the user's side and transmit it in plaintext to the server. The server will encode it using the token.

[josm-dev] my solution for the password-problem

2009-10-01 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Hi there, sorry, I can't find the original thread about the problem that JOSM transfers passwords unprotected to the server... Perhaps my understanding of security is mistaken, but this is the way, how *I* would do it: 1. Set up two small servers (Atom) in the same network as the database