Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-03-02 Thread Tirkon
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Yes but this is really not the focus of OpenStreetMap. Remember that our focus is mapping stuff that is visible on the ground. The kind of maps discussed here rely almost entirely on stuff that is not visible (administrative borders, mostly). These are

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-03-01 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:47:50 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: even with loads of feedback they are not able to update their maps in time (it takes them years to check and correct already known errors). Agreed, but I would still like tools for people to report bug to me so I can fix issues.

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-03-01 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:19:12 +, Tom Hughes wrote: pointless little diatribe. I do help it made you feel better. What are you on about? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless, ronjenje,

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-28 Thread Tirkon
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I've posted a design concept with description and invitation for feedback here: http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg Yours c. Steve Possibly I am too much in a science fiction. But I could imagine the OSM homepage as a kind of

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Tirkon wrote: Possibly I am too much in a science fiction. But I could imagine the OSM homepage as a kind of WMS-service with a user-configurable map. A menue will take control, which items are shown, highlighted, four color theoremed [1] i.e. urban quarters of a town (with one quarter

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-28 Thread Tirkon
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: What you are describing is the web map to end all web maps. It is a natural tendency for many in the IT industry to always try and generalise (if I add this and make that configurable, then the same backend could be used to do all these things...).

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Tirkon wrote: Here is an example, sadly in German. I do not know an English one. http://geoportal.geodaten.niedersachsen.de/navigator/? But they are far from perfect. On Google maps you can now view the map oriented towards any of the main compass directions ;-) Bye Frederik --

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/28 Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de: But this is exactly rhat, what I am asked i.e. by Wikipedia users. At present they draw their maps for every geographical article (states, regions, districts, towns, municipality, urban quarters) and the sub-chapters of these (water, public transport,

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: But this is exactly rhat, what I am asked i.e. by Wikipedia users. At present they draw their maps for every geographical article (states, regions, districts, towns, municipality, urban quarters) and the sub-chapters of these (water, public transport, railway

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-27 Thread Tirkon
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I've posted a design concept with description and invitation for feedback here: http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg Yours c. Steve Steve, there is a help-video embedded in the demo:

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/22 SteveC st...@asklater.com: On Feb 21, 2010, at 18:57, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/2/21 SteveC st...@asklater.com: Sure. In Germany you have this amazing community where there's a stamptish around every corner. But out here it's much harder and we need

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' 2) enter problem 3) click ok ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it? look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from most people is useless. a

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Tom Hughes
On 21/02/10 07:16, SteveC wrote: On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: SteveC wrote: http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com service might have, I am extremely sceptical about using it for

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Tom Hughes
On 21/02/10 07:38, SteveC wrote: 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_. Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it. But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the tools and site easy to use if we can expose a simple

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Marc Schütz
Am Sonntag 21 Februar 2010 09:55:40 schrieb Apollinaris Schoell: openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' 2) enter problem 3) click ok ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it? look at openstreetbugs and most could be

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 February 2010 20:32, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: IMO, OSB is already working quite well as it is. If we can integrate it more prominently into the OSM website, the better. OSB has an easy/simple set of web API calls, so you don't even need to point people at the OSB website. The

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Stefan Breunig
http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg Hello everyone, I agree with Steve that the current design is neither the most beautiful nor best UI I've seen. While I like new design better, I believe it elides some of the core issues which are being extendible and having a

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 21 Feb 2010, at 2:32 , Marc Schütz wrote: Am Sonntag 21 Februar 2010 09:55:40 schrieb Apollinaris Schoell: openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' 2) enter problem 3) click ok ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Tom Hughes
On 21/02/10 11:17, Stefan Breunig wrote: For example, the search result currently pop up left of the map which is a sensible thing to do. In the mockup, feedback is presented as layer-ad which I strongly believe sucks UI wise, but that's another rant. Maybe routing will be integrated, or a

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it? look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from most people is useless. a comment footways are missing in this park doesn't help much if there is no experienced mapper willing to

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Marc Schütz
It's not that bad actually. There are basically two classes of bugs: those that can be fixed immediately (The name of this street is spelled wrong, This xxx doesn't exist anymore), and those that require someone to go out and actually look at the situation there and record GPS traces.

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 February 2010 21:35, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Now we can either adopt a free-for-all approach where we encourage everyone to leave their feedback without spending 10 seconds on understanding how this map is generated, and then have a lot of work in post-processing

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Robert Funnell
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote: ... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he doesn't give a shit and lives on a boat in bliss. That's his

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' 2) enter problem 3) click ok ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it? I will. look at openstreetbugs and most could

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:05 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 21/02/10 07:16, SteveC wrote: On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: SteveC wrote: http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com service might have,

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 21/02/10 07:38, SteveC wrote: On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: SteveC wrote: Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-) So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating openstreetbugs? But can

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:19 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 21/02/10 07:38, SteveC wrote: 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_. Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it. But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote: ... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he doesn't

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 21/02/10 11:17, Stefan Breunig wrote: While at it OpenLayers' handling of different map styles should be integrated into this central place instead of the additional zoom button in the upper right corner. Same for

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Tom Hughes
On 21/02/10 16:50, Richard Weait wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Tom Hughest...@compton.nu wrote: If you look at http://maps.compton.nu/ which is my personal site you'll see that I've been playing with doing exactly that for the permalink ;-) Tom, this is wonderful. Having the

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Tom Hughes
On 21/02/10 17:03, Tom Hughes wrote: On 21/02/10 16:50, Richard Weait wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Tom Hughest...@compton.nu wrote: If you look at http://maps.compton.nu/ which is my personal site you'll see that I've been playing with doing exactly that for the permalink ;-)

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Jochen Plumeyer
Hi folks, On Dom 21 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote: 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' 2) enter problem 3) click ok I think an easy feedback system is great. And I like the idea of exposing bugs. For this I think it would be essential to coordinate a bit and prepare in an explicit manner workflows

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/21 SteveC st...@asklater.com: Sure. In Germany you have this amazing community where there's a stamptish around every corner. But out here it's much harder and we need these easier tools to build the map. thing is that you can't build a crowd-sourced map when missing the crowd. There

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 13:17, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Was that meant to disagree or agree with what I said or what? Everyone keeps complaining that OSB is the wrong approach, it will create too much work, but no one has any proof of what will happen, and current bugs listed aren't much of

[OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-20 Thread SteveC
I've posted a design concept with description and invitation for feedback here: http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg Yours c. Steve ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-20 Thread SteveC
On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com service might have, I am extremely sceptical about using it for openstreetmap.org. Join

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, SteveC wrote: Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-) So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating openstreetbugs? But can their system tie notes to map locations? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-20 Thread SteveC
On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-) So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating openstreetbugs? But can their system tie notes to map locations? Well I'll go further. openstreetbugs