Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-22 Thread Jay McCarthy
I don't feel strongly about this and you seem to, so supposing we support any conflicting installations, it makes sense for Planet 2.0 to have both major and minor versions. Jay 2011/2/19 Robby Findler ro...@eecs.northwestern.edu: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Robby Findler

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-22 Thread Jay McCarthy
Good point Jay 2011/2/19 Eli Barzilay e...@barzilay.org: 5 hours ago, Jay McCarthy wrote: 2011/2/18 Jos Koot jos.k...@telefonica.net: For a simple windows 7 user as I it is rather difficult to use command line instructions. I plead for an easy to use gui for making contributions. I

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-22 Thread Carl Eastlund
Do you mean to inherit Planet's current version number semantics? Uh. Assigning a fixed structure and semantics to version numbers was one of the worst things Planet did. Dracula is up to 8:18, and goodness knows what that means. It does not mean there have been 8 significantly

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-22 Thread Robby Findler
Carl: your message is unclear to me. Are you saying that attempting to solve the problem of matching up require requests with available versions of software packages is hopeless and we shouldn't attempt it, or are you saying that we should use something that is not (literally) called version

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-22 Thread Carl Eastlund
I am saying we should use something that is not called version number. On the IRC list I have suggested -- without too much thought behind it yet -- that we construct an upgrade graph; package maintainers can specify which package can be thought of as an automatic improvement on another, and some

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-22 Thread Robby Findler
Thanks for clarifying. And I'm sure you must know about it and I'm a bit afraid to even bring it up, but you might want to use planet's external version feature. Robby On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Carl Eastlund c...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: I am saying we should use something that is not called

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-22 Thread Carl Eastlund
I am aware of the external versions, but since I can't put them in a require spec to identify the package I want, they aren't terribly useful as an identifying feature of a package. Carl Eastlund On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Robby Findler ro...@eecs.northwestern.edu wrote: Thanks for

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-19 Thread Jay McCarthy
I've batch my responses to yesterday's questions together. As a general note, I'd like to have my document be an accurate reflection of what I should do when I start coding, so if you think I should update it to clarify the answers to these questions, please let me know. I'm blinded a bit by my

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-19 Thread Robby Findler
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Jay McCarthy jay.mccar...@gmail.com wrote: I've batch my responses to yesterday's questions together. As a general note, I'd like to have my document be an accurate reflection of what I should do when I start coding, so if you think I should update it to

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-19 Thread Robby Findler
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Robby Findler ro...@eecs.northwestern.edu wrote: It looks to me like you there is relevant, important metadata that you're making someone fold into an implicit place instead of an explicit one. Will you have a convention for these? What if I decide to call

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-19 Thread Robby Findler
I think that the versioning problem is an important and hard one, and the obvious first place to turn this infrastructure work into a research result. Racket gives you a significant opportunity that others would not have (for a certain class of solutions, at least). Even better, we have

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-18 Thread Robby Findler
Minor comment: why encourage names like libgtk and libgtk2 instead of a major and minor version number (ala PLaneT)? Don't we want those two libraries to be associated somehow (at least loosely)? Also, it also isn't clear which of the complaints with PLaneT you're actually dealing with. I don't

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-18 Thread Jos Koot
I read your contribution with great interest. One problem that is not addressed, as far as I have seen, is that any idiot, like me, can install his/her contributions (modules/collections/packages or whatever) For a simple windows 7 user as I it is rather difficult to use command line

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-18 Thread YC
Jay - 1. Thanks for having this out - this is a great start and a very important problem to solve 2. Is it correct that *heap* maps to the account name in planet? Such as jaymccarthy, schematics, or bzlib? There is always tension between the naming by capability or author in

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-18 Thread Robby Findler
One more comment: one of PLaneT's design goals what that if you have a working system and you install a new planet package, then you didn't break any of the working parts from before. The new system doesn't seem to have that as a design goal anymore (I noticed automatic upgrades and freezing being

Re: [racket-dev] Packaging

2011-02-18 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Robby Findler ro...@eecs.northwestern.edu wrote: One more comment: one of PLaneT's design goals what that if you have a working system and you install a new planet package, then you didn't break any of the working parts from before. The new system doesn't seem