Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-20 Thread Bill Barker
Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/19/07, Paul Shemansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Yoav, On 10/19/07, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/19/07, Paul Shemansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to keep waiting for more a few

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hey, On 10/19/07, Paul Shemansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to keep waiting for more a few more +1s in the as-an-alternate category before doing any real work on it. Speaking only for myself, I don't see how waiting helps anything. I'm +0 to you (or anyone else) doing the work and

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hey, On 10/19/07, Paul Shemansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I commit to working on it, and try to show some sort of proof-in-the-pudding, the issue returns to the problem I mentioned before which is hosting it. I don't think that's a problem, and I don't think it has to be hosted in the

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Niall Pemberton
On 10/19/07, Paul Shemansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Yoav, On 10/19/07, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/19/07, Paul Shemansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to keep waiting for more a few more +1s in the as-an-alternate category before doing any real work on it.

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Paul Shemansky
Hi Yoav, On 10/19/07, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/19/07, Paul Shemansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to keep waiting for more a few more +1s in the as-an-alternate category before doing any real work on it. Speaking only for myself, I don't see how waiting helps

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Paul Shemansky
John, On 10/18/07, jkew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, I agree with Costin. -1 to default Default is out of the question. +1 to alternative I'm going to keep waiting for more a few more +1s in the as-an-alternate category before doing any real work on it. Some points: 1. I would be a

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Paul Shemansky
William, FYI - I love Gentoo. On 10/18/07, William L. Thomson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentoo's vote -1 for Tomcat using Maven to build instead of Ant :) On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 23:26 -0700, Bill Barker wrote: I'm pretty much going to agree with Costin on this one. I have no objection

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Paul Shemansky
Bill, The last thing that I want to be responsible for is introducing a stumbling block for all of the Tomcat developers and users. This thread should have also included Maven 2 - Migrate, Integrate, or Annihilate. On 10/18/07, Bill Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty much going to

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Paul Shemansky
On 10/18/07, Mary Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, i have been a passive listener all the while but i feel its time for change. I vote for Maven regards, Mary Thank you, Mary. However, I believe we are out-numbered. :)

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Paul Shemansky
On 10/18/07, Peter Rossbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes! I can't see that maven build is better choice. Peter Vote -1 for build with maven! What if Maven 2 is added in co-existence, instead of as a replacement? - To

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Paul Shemansky
On 10/17/07, Konstantin Kolinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Paul! You may start playing in some sandbox, creating a directory structure there, and pulling branches of tomcat code through the use of svn:externals property. It is called creating a view. Thanks Konstantin, I agree with the

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-19 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 10/19/07, Paul Shemansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I commit to working on it, and try to show some sort of proof-in-the-pudding, the issue returns to the problem I mentioned before which is hosting it. The place that comes immediately to mind is wush.net... maybe ping Michael Ching and

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-18 Thread Bill Barker
I'm pretty much going to agree with Costin on this one. I have no objection to having a maven build as an alternative to the ant build (assuming that it can do the same thing, which I don't really believe without seeing the pom). But most mavenized projects that I have see (e.g.

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-18 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev Lists
Wendy Smoak wrote: On 10/17/07, Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We currently have a distribute to Maven repo in place. The most current version is in the sandbox, that would allow us to publish to the central ASF repo with signed JAR's. This allows(will allow) other

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-18 Thread jkew
Paul, I agree with Costin. -1 to default +1 to alternative Some points: 1. I would be a willing tester. 2. Please make sure versions are put on every plugin / dependency. 3. I have a love/hate relationship with maven. It sort of scares me. Debugging maven hurts. 4. On the positive side, I

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-18 Thread Paul Shemansky
Remy, do you think that it would be acceptable as a test branch (proving ground), a possible integration into a near-future release, or do you believe that Maven is just not acceptable at all for Tomcat? On 10/17/07, Rémy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 16:21 -0400, Paul

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-18 Thread Paul Shemansky
On 10/17/07, Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to elaborate more for you, 6.0.x is our current 6.0 release branch. We are using RTC, Review-Then-Commit policy here, and introducing maven into a stable release branch like this, is probably not the best idea. What you should focus

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-18 Thread Paul Shemansky
If nothing else comes out of this discussion thread, we will at least hear build-process opinions from above-average developers. Thank you in advance to all that reply. In response to Filip : On 10/17/07, Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lemme give you my feedback and some

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-18 Thread Costin Manolache
On 10/18/07, Paul Shemansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if you want to create a maven build file ( or a Makefile, or eclipse/netbeans projects, etc :-) that builds tomcat - I personally don't see a problem with that - as long as it

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-18 Thread Paul Shemansky
On 10/17/07, Mark Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Shemansky wrote: Key features that may be useful to us are : - The Standard Directory Layout - Specifically, multi-module builds. This might make managing individual components easier for catalina, coyote, naming, jsp/servlet

Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-17 Thread Paul Shemansky
Dear Fellow Tomcat Developers, As you may have already noticed, I recently joined the ASF and the Tomcat Developer's List. I have been a Maven 2 user since 2005, and I previously used Ant for all of my projects. I suffered through many hardships migrating from Ant to Maven, but in my humble

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-17 Thread Rémy Maucherat
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 16:21 -0400, Paul Shemansky wrote: It is not my intention to start a flame war between Ant and Maven users, but merely to propose Maven 2 to this group, and respectfully use this thread to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of switching Tomcat's build process within

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-17 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev Lists
Rémy Maucherat wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 16:21 -0400, Paul Shemansky wrote: It is not my intention to start a flame war between Ant and Maven users, but merely to propose Maven 2 to this group, and respectfully use this thread to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of switching

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-17 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev Lists
lemme give you my feedback and some history Paul Shemansky wrote: Dear Fellow Tomcat Developers, As you may have already noticed, I recently joined the ASF and the Tomcat Developer's List. I have been a Maven 2 user since 2005, and I previously used Ant for all of my projects. I suffered

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-17 Thread Costin Manolache
-1 as well on switching to maven as default ( or back to many source tree 'modules' ). But if you want to create a maven build file ( or a Makefile, or eclipse/netbeans projects, etc :-) that builds tomcat - I personally don't see a problem with that - as long as it doesn't require moving code

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-17 Thread Mark Thomas
Paul Shemansky wrote: Key features that may be useful to us are : - The Standard Directory Layout - Specifically, multi-module builds. This might make managing individual components easier for catalina, coyote, naming, jsp/servlet api/implementation, connector, etc. might isn't a compelling

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-17 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 10/17/07, Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We currently have a distribute to Maven repo in place. The most current version is in the sandbox, that would allow us to publish to the central ASF repo with signed JAR's. This allows(will allow) other projects that do use Maven,

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-17 Thread Konstantin Kolinko
Hi, Paul! Just a suggestion how to start (seeing all the opinions around): You may start playing in some sandbox, creating a directory structure there, and pulling branches of tomcat code through the use of svn:externals property. It is called creating a view. Having done that, it will be more

Re: Mavenization (M10N) of Tomcat Build Process - Should Tomcat Be Migrated to Maven 2?

2007-10-17 Thread Peter Rossbach
Yes! I can't see that maven build is better choice. Peter Vote -1 for build with maven! Am 18.10.2007 um 00:45 schrieb Mark Thomas: Paul Shemansky wrote: Key features that may be useful to us are : - The Standard Directory Layout - Specifically, multi-module builds. This might make