Re: [tools-dev] requirements for a Windows build bot and cws box

2010-01-08 Thread Martin Hollmichel

Martin Hollmichel wrote:

Hi,

finally I come to the following proposal:

1 virtual machine running a Windows7 64bit instance with Visual Studio 
Standard installed for the Windows tinderbox.
2 additional virtual windows machines available for Developers, with 
the Express Version installed. In case we discover that we need more 
parallel sessions available, we consider the installation of Windows 
Server.
the Virtual Boxes will be hosted on a Quad Core, 12 GB RAM machine in 
a data center


any comments ?

Martin

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets/Developer/WindowsBox#Proposal_for_a_Windows_Box 



Pavel, Thorsten, you may want to comment or approve these spendings for 
the developer budget ?


Martin


Martin Hollmichel wrote:

All,

I got a request to do some funding for a Windows build bot (to be 
funded be the OOo project, not by Sun as my mail adress suggest). 
build bots are now integrated in the EIS and are of invaluable help 
for development and QA.


I can think of several scenarios:

minimal buildbot: a virtual windows (home) instance on some already 
existent hardware plus a MS Compiler professional license (estimated 
cost: ca. 1000 € once).


fast build bot: windows box on bare iron or virtualized in a hosting 
center with good bandwidth for providing install sets (my estimated 
extra costs: ca. 1200 € per year extra)


fast developer machine: windows server allowing up to five 5 users, 
allowing remove building and debugging for developers with no windows 
access, several build bot instances (i have no real idea for the 
estimated hosting and license costs).


Two questions:

* what are our real demands and requirement for such a thing.
* is there anyone volunteering for collecting real prices and costs 
for the various scenarios and maintaining the resulting setup ?


Martin




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Re: [tools-dev] requirements for a Windows build bot and cws box

2010-01-08 Thread Pavel Janík

Hi,


900 € per year sounds reasonable compared to the price for
- buying an equivalent machine
- rooming
- power
- bandwith
- hardware repairs / upgrades


now I understand. The price of 69EUR is not for a hosting only, but  
for hosting and rent of the hardware. Hmm, then big +1 for the proposal.


In our country we strongly separate hosting of own server in the  
computing center and renting already hosted server owned by the  
hosting company (either physical or virtual).

--
Pavel Janík



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Re: [tools-dev] requirements for a Windows build bot and cws box

2010-01-08 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Martin Hollmichel wrote:
 Pavel, Thorsten, you may want to comment or approve these
 spendings for the developer budget ?
 
 +1 for the Windows box/server. We desperately need communi Windows
 machine. I;d go with terminal services directly from the
 beginning.
 
 -1 for the regular yearly payment for the hosting services. Can we
 do it better/cheeper? Can anyone offer/sponsor this service for
 us?
 please keep in mind that this yearly payment includes 100MBit and
 unlimitted traffic, that also will allow the download of builded
 cws, I think it's worth the price, but I'm open for better or
 cheaper offers, how long we want to wait for those offers ?
 
+1 for the full package; if someone finds a cheaper offer that's of
course fine by me. Win32 builds are a pain point for me, and
historically the dev budget has not been fully spent, so no point in
haggling too much here.

What about reviewing the hosting options again next year?

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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Re: [tools-dev] requirements for a Windows build bot and cws box

2010-01-08 Thread Malte Timmermann
Pavel Janík wrote, On 01/08/10 15:00:
 Hi,
 
 900 € per year sounds reasonable compared to the price for
 - buying an equivalent machine
 - rooming
 - power
 - bandwith
 - hardware repairs / upgrades
 
 now I understand. The price of 69EUR is not for a hosting only, but  
 for hosting and rent of the hardware

Well, at least that was my impression by reading the wiki page.
Otherwise it would have stated the HW costs, and not only the licensing
costs.

Martin might correct me in case my interpretation was wrong.

Malte.

 . Hmm, then big +1 for the proposal.
 
 In our country we strongly separate hosting of own server in the  
 computing center and renting already hosted server owned by the  
 hosting company (either physical or virtual).

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