Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-28 Thread Hubert Kario
On Saturday 25 October 2014 14:26:59 Julien Vehent wrote: Thank you Hubert from starting this discussion. I think this can be the base for version 4 of the document. On 2014-10-20 08:10, Hubert Kario wrote: The items that probably should be changed or added: * curves weaker than

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-27 Thread Rob Stradling
On 25/10/14 19:26, Julien Vehent wrote: snip I wonder if this is really useful though. Server Side TLS is a pragmatic guide, and pragmatism dictates that operators should use SHA-256 certs, not SHA-384 or SHA-512. When asked to review a production site that runs a SHA-512 cert, I would recommend

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-25 Thread Julien Vehent
Thank you Hubert from starting this discussion. I think this can be the base for version 4 of the document. On 2014-10-20 08:10, Hubert Kario wrote: The items that probably should be changed or added: * curves weaker than secp256r1 - I think they shouldn't be enabled at all - while

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-25 Thread Michael Ströder
Julien Vehent wrote: Thank you Hubert from starting this discussion. I think this can be the base for version 4 of the document. On 2014-10-20 08:10, Hubert Kario wrote: The items that probably should be changed or added: * curves weaker than secp256r1 - I think they shouldn't be

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-22 Thread Julien Pierre
Julien, On 10/21/2014 18:02, Julien Vehent wrote: NSS is very rarely used in servers. Perhaps so statistically, but the products are still around. I notice that Oracle/iPlanet/RedHat products are absent from the document. Oracle still ships at the very least iPlanet Web Server, iPlanet Proxy

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-22 Thread Hubert Kario
On Tuesday 21 October 2014 23:09:58 Julien Pierre wrote: Julien, On 10/21/2014 18:02, Julien Vehent wrote: NSS is very rarely used in servers. Perhaps so statistically, but the products are still around. I notice that Oracle/iPlanet/RedHat products are absent from the document. Oracle

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-22 Thread Julien Vehent
On 2014-10-22 08:02, Hubert Kario wrote: So, any comments to the proposed changes in opening mail? Yes :) But I haven't had any spare cycles yet... It's on the todo list! - Julien -- dev-tech-crypto mailing list dev-tech-crypto@lists.mozilla.org

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-22 Thread John Dennis
On 10/21/2014 09:02 PM, Julien Vehent wrote: NSS is very rarely used in servers. Not true. Red Hat ships many products with NSS server configurations. -- John -- dev-tech-crypto mailing list dev-tech-crypto@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-tech-crypto

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-21 Thread Chris Newman
--On October 20, 2014 16:43:01 -0700 Julien Pierre julien.pie...@oracle.com wrote: Hubert, On 10/20/2014 05:10, Hubert Kario wrote: So I went over the https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS article with a bit more attention to detail and I think we should extend it in few places.

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-21 Thread Julien Pierre
Chris, On 10/21/2014 11:43, Chris Newman wrote: At this point, the OpenSSL-style cipher suite adjustment string has become a de-facto standard. So I believe NSS should be modified to follow that de-facto standard rather than expecting those writing security advice to do extra work:

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-21 Thread Julien Vehent
On 2014-10-21 19:20, Julien Pierre wrote: I wasn't even specifically referring to cipher strings, but the whole document seems to be about servers running OpenSSL, though I did see a few references to GnuTLS as well. There are also servers running NSS, Microsoft SSL stacks, proprietary SSL

Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-20 Thread Hubert Kario
So I went over the https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS article with a bit more attention to detail and I think we should extend it in few places. Especially if it is supposed to be also the general recommendation for servers, not just for ones that are part of Mozilla network. The

Re: Updates to the Server Side TLS guide

2014-10-20 Thread Julien Pierre
Hubert, On 10/20/2014 05:10, Hubert Kario wrote: So I went over the https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS article with a bit more attention to detail and I think we should extend it in few places. Especially if it is supposed to be also the general recommendation for servers, not