Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-21 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 01/20/2009 06:50 PM, Ian G: This is what I believe Mozilla cares. Mozilla doesn't need to resolve disputes, it must know what to do under certain circumstances in order to protect itself and its users. Those are two different kind of things. OK, so let's say you are Mozo, coz you know what

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-20 Thread Ian G
On 20/1/09 01:22, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 01/19/2009 12:52 PM, Ian G: Mozilla is resolving disputes. It just hasn't said it, nor thought about how it is doing it. Well, it's my point that I think that Mozilla doesn't, hasn't and shouldn't resolve disputes. However, continue below * document

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-19 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 01/17/2009 11:32 PM, Ian G: Disputes are resolved according to the agreement or contract (terms are interchangeable) between the parties. So far so good... So, if the agreement were to say use this page then that's how they are done. If on the other hand, the agreement said disputes are

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-19 Thread Ian G
On 19/1/09 10:07, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 01/17/2009 11:32 PM, Ian G: In contract law, forums of dispute resolution is chosen by the parties. Sometimes, but parties may even disagree on this. Well, at the moment of agreement, they agree. If they disagree later, then the courts support the

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-19 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 01/19/2009 12:52 PM, Ian G: Mozilla is resolving disputes. It just hasn't said it, nor thought about how it is doing it. Well, it's my point that I think that Mozilla doesn't, hasn't and shouldn't resolve disputes. However, continue below * document what's going on and improve it *

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-17 Thread Ian G
On 17/1/09 01:03, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 01/16/2009 06:16 PM, Ian G: What is the difference? A complaint is a dispute as far as I can see. Dispute: A controversy or dispute occurs when parties actively disagree, argue about, or debate, a matter of opinion. Controversies can range in size from

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-17 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 01/17/2009 11:45 AM, Ian G: Once you name another party, then you are likely in dispute. Might be. ...then that should be treated a dispute. The question is, if Mozilla is a party to that dispute. Making a complaint about a CA might be of interest for Mozilla (in its own right), but

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-17 Thread Ian G
On 17/1/09 16:19, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 01/17/2009 11:45 AM, Ian G: It's also irresponsible and unprofessional, and likely if we want to make this distinction, we will have to think about a policy of no complaints. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Well, no...somebody is free to complain

dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-16 Thread Ian G
As threatened, I've posted my thoughts on dispute resolution here [1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:Dispute_resolution The first point is to document where we are now. And, hopefully agree. And, to identify and fill some obvious holes [2]. The final point is to think about where to

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-16 Thread Ian G
On 16/1/09 14:40, Ian G wrote: https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:Dispute_resolution Which immediately raises the question: why is this important? It's important to understand why a slightly more formal and documented approach to dispute resolution is a useful and valuable direction for all

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-16 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 01/16/2009 03:40 PM, Ian G: As threatened, I've posted my thoughts on dispute resolution here [1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:Dispute_resolution Ian, I think you must differ between filing a complaint about a CA and dispute resolution. I think Mozilla doesn't, can't and don't want to

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-16 Thread Ian G
On 16/1/09 16:42, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 01/16/2009 03:40 PM, Ian G: As threatened, I've posted my thoughts on dispute resolution here [1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:Dispute_resolution Ian, I think you must differ between filing a complaint about a CA and dispute resolution. I think Mozilla

Re: dispute resolution page CA:Dispute_resolution

2009-01-16 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 01/16/2009 06:16 PM, Ian G: What is the difference? A complaint is a dispute as far as I can see. Dispute: A controversy or dispute occurs when parties actively disagree, argue about, or debate, a matter of opinion. Controversies can range in size from private disputes between two