Re: The Rational Rejection of Security Advice by Users by Cormac Herley

2010-05-20 Thread Gervase Markham
On 18/05/10 15:54, johnjbarton wrote: I mean that starting a design from the point of view that the users have faulty judgment will almost certainly lead to software that fails. If users did not have faulty judgement, and always made correct security decisions, then there would be no

RE: multiple certificate selection dailogs

2010-05-20 Thread Šandor Feldi
Does your module attempt to force the user to (re)authenticate to it every time it needs to use the private key? Does it attempt to do this by (re)entering a read-only state such as CKS_RO_PUBLIC_SESSION after it performs a private key operation? If so, that's your problem. The module enters

Re: The Rational Rejection of Security Advice by Users by Cormac Herley

2010-05-20 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 05/19/2010 07:44 PM, From Marsh Ray: Perhaps one identifiable improvement here is that this ability to get acceptable certs easily could be made more widely known? Yes, perhaps...but it might be difficult for Mozilla to do so too openly...not sure. -- Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg,

Re: The Rational Rejection of Security Advice by Users by Cormac Herley

2010-05-20 Thread johnjbarton
On 5/20/2010 4:28 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: On 18/05/10 15:54, johnjbarton wrote: I mean that starting a design from the point of view that the users have faulty judgment will almost certainly lead to software that fails. If users did not have faulty judgement, and always made correct

Re: The Rational Rejection of Security Advice by Users by Cormac Herley

2010-05-20 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 13:25 -0500, Marsh Ray wrote: Imagine how fast sites would fix their certs if the scary page proposed keyword alternative sites that did not have cert issues. You can't assume that it's the site's fault. A competitor could be MITM-ing the connection and showing a bad

Purpose of refusing to renegotiate with non-RFC-5746 servers

2010-05-20 Thread Matt McCutchen
When security.ssl.allow_unrestricted_renego_everywhere__temporarily_available_pref is off, Firefox will refuse to perform a server-initiated renegotiation with a non-RFC-5746 server. What is the purpose of this behavior? It doesn't mitigate the vulnerability because in the attack scenario, the

Re: The Rational Rejection of Security Advice by Users by Cormac Herley

2010-05-20 Thread Matt McCutchen
On May 19, 11:28 am, Eddy Nigg eddy_n...@startcom.org wrote: Well, just for the record, lets get this strait - there are no false positives. I have NEVER encountered an error with a web site and there was no reason for it. Either the certificate was not trusted or the domain did not match or

Re: The Rational Rejection of Security Advice by Users by Cormac Herley

2010-05-20 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 05/21/2010 03:23 AM, From Matt McCutchen: On May 19, 11:28 am, Eddy Niggeddy_n...@startcom.org wrote: Well, just for the record, lets get this strait - there are no false positives. I have NEVER encountered an error with a web site and there was no reason for it. Either the certificate

Re: The Rational Rejection of Security Advice by Users by Cormac Herley

2010-05-20 Thread Kyle Hamilton
The way that commercial certifying authorities have gone about things thus far is completely antithetical to how business is transacted on the commercial internet. (hint: banks require *two* forms of ID in order to open a bank account, and CAs provide only *one*. How would you solve this

Re: The Rational Rejection of Security Advice by Users by Cormac Herley

2010-05-20 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 04:02 +0300, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 05/21/2010 03:23 AM, From Matt McCutchen: On May 19, 11:28 am, Eddy Niggeddy_n...@startcom.org wrote: Well, just for the record, lets get this strait - there are no false positives. I have NEVER encountered an error with a web site

Re: The Rational Rejection of Security Advice by Users by Cormac Herley

2010-05-20 Thread Kurt Seifried
When I hit reply the mozilla groups bounces my email, so replying off list. m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: I'm not claiming that the user knows.  I only said that if there is in fact no impersonation, then the error is a false positive. If you're going to redefine what a false positive is than