RE: Proposal: Sundown Shale-Tiles
Hi, I also think Tiles is the best. So, supporting tiles must be required, but if Tomahowk stuff has done it, I think that Shale can stop giving this module. It also fits well with the idea of merging MyFaces and Shale. Regards, Esteve Avilés -Mensaje original- De: Antonio Petrelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: martes, 08 de enero de 2008 17:54 Para: dev@shale.apache.org Asunto: Re: Proposal: Sundown Shale-Tiles 2008/1/8, Gary VanMatre [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree and that is why shale clay exists [1]. It has actually been around longer than facelets but just didn't gain the same momentum :-(. You'll be happy to hear that JSF 2.0 is working on a templating solution that looks to be a clone of facelets. But Tiles is always the best :-D Antonio __ Aquest missatge electrònic està dirigit únicament a les adreces indicades. El seu caràcter confidencial, personal i intransferible està protegit legalment. Qualsevol revelació, ús o reenviament no autoritzat, total o parcial, està prohibit. Si ha rebut aquest missatge per equivocació, notifiqui-ho immediatament a la persona que l'ha enviat i esborri el missatge original juntament amb els seus fitxers annexos sense llegir-lo ni gravar-lo. TMB (Transports Metropolitans de Barcelona) Informació interactiva de transport: www.tmb.net
Re: Proposal: Sundown Shale-Tiles
On Jan 4, 2008 8:40 PM, Gregg Leichtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I consider this important, since I use Tiles and I want to and currently am using JSF 1.2, since it resolves the interweaving problem among other things. Granted, I could potentially move to Clay, but I came from Struts and I am familiar with Tiles and it does what I need it to do, especially the latest version. IHMO the current state of Tiles support in MyFaces and Shale acts as a barrier to Tiles adoption under JSF 1.2 which I hope is not intentional. My original intent was to invest effort in getting Tiles to work better with JSF. Then I discovered Facelets and decided my efforts would be largely redundant. I haven't used Clay yet, though I didn't ignore it intentionally, but to me, Facelets does for JSF what Tiles originally did for Struts. That is, it provides an extremely easy-to-use templating and page-building system. Once I got used to Facelets JSP in JSF felt like driving a 1973 Plymouth that gets about 4 mpg gas mileage :-) I do think Tiles could do a lot for JSP in JSF with some TLC, but, again, the work just seems redundant to me. The effort to migrate from Struts-Tiles to Tiles 2 is about the same as learning Facelets. I still love Tiles and I think it has a good future, but the low-hanging fruit has been harvested IMO. Greg
Re: Proposal: Sundown Shale-Tiles
I brought this up, since the Shale developers might want to more carefully consider the decision to drop Tiles support along the way to MyFaces integration or at least consider how Tiles/JSF 1.2 support will be managed going forward under the MyFaces umbrella. It has been my experience that to get around the interleaving/interweaving problem---immediate vs. deferred expression evaluation---of JSP/JSF/Tiles it was necessary to modify existing Tiles View handlers. The experimental code, based on the Sun RI that I am using and posted previously resolves this problem apparently by using a new JSF 1.2 specific interweaving class. I consider this important, since I use Tiles and I want to and currently am using JSF 1.2, since it resolves the interweaving problem among other things. Granted, I could potentially move to Clay, but I came from Struts and I am familiar with Tiles and it does what I need it to do, especially the latest version. IHMO the current state of Tiles support in MyFaces and Shale acts as a barrier to Tiles adoption under JSF 1.2 which I hope is not intentional. Given the amount of effort that has been put into the latest Tiles version and its apparent strong support in the Struts community, it seems that it would be beneficial to refactor a Tiles view handler to support JSF 1.2 across multiple JSF implementations and yes I do know that I am asking for this support from a group of volunteers. I would do this myself and post it, but I don't believe that I quite have the detailed expertise to pull it off yet. -= Gregg =- Greg Reddin wrote: On Jan 2, 2008 6:25 PM, Gregg Leichtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the MyFaces view handler support JSF 1.2? I'm ashamed to say I don't know what's changed in the ViewHandler API between 1.1 and 1.2. If there are changes I suspect the current view handler from MyFaces or Shale wouldn't be compatible, right? I think I've heard somewhere in MyFaces land that Tomahawk is not 1.2-compliant. I hope someone will chime in and clarify :-) Greg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Proposal: Sundown Shale-Tiles
On Jan 2, 2008 6:25 PM, Gregg Leichtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the MyFaces view handler support JSF 1.2? I'm ashamed to say I don't know what's changed in the ViewHandler API between 1.1 and 1.2. If there are changes I suspect the current view handler from MyFaces or Shale wouldn't be compatible, right? I think I've heard somewhere in MyFaces land that Tomahawk is not 1.2-compliant. I hope someone will chime in and clarify :-) Greg
